Chuck Tornetta from NJ - Classic bait and switch

[mvite]

I knew that my trusting attitude was going to get me one day.

I responded to an ad on Kingsnake.com listed by Chuck Tornetta. Chuck was offering 1000g-2000g proven breeder female normal BPs for $90.

I asked Chuck for his best deal and we agreed upon $315 shipped via Fedex. (versus his original asking price of $330 for 3 shipped.)

When I received the box--I noted how dirty it was. If I had gotten what I paid for --- then it may not have been such a big deal--but look--all the flaps have insect droppings on them.

I received 3 normal females from Chuck today. Although I knew they would all be thin----I didn't realize that NONE of them would weigh 1000g---the minimum weight listed in his ad.

They were 776g, 779g and 950g.

Now -- I realize these could be 1000g in a few feedings---but I purchased animals that should have arrived between 1000g and 2000g already---only to get LARGER AS I FED THEM!!!

Chuck mentioned "for the price you paid I couldn't give you bigger females" see below---(His original price was $330 shipped---I paid $315 shipped.)

When I called Chuck on the phone, he said that he mentioned their size to his son while boxing them up----because they had just laid. So he knew what was going to happen. He says he has a scale but didn't actually weigh them since they bred.

Chuck won't take the snakes back for a full refund---and he is trying to make their weights a non-issue. The fact is--I only purchased them based on his description of 1000g-2000g.

Be careful of Chuck Tornetta----he pulled a bait-and-switch on me and he'll probably do it to you too.


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fromChuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
to Mark Vitelli <[email protected]>

dateSun, Jul 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
subject Re: Message about: 90.00 EA.Captive Born ADULT female ball`s all feeding on frozen thawed rats GROUP!
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Mark, I can go as low as 315.00 but I already marked them girls down from 150.00 down to 125.00 down to 100.00 and now 90.00 Lil. I'm running out of discount .
thanks for considering


fromMark Vitelli <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateSun, Jul 6, 2008 at 5:38 PM
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Well now you're talking! Some people even like $15 sweeteners!

The big value to me is the f/t eating. I have a small collection and am looking to get it off the ground a but this year with some normals to produce he ts and codoms. I have 8 normal females but as I said - finding real f/t waters -- they are worth having in my book.

I will be at a conference in Philly from Wed-Fri. Could you ship to arrive Tuesday or hold until next week?

Thanks for your time. I will paypal you once you let me know about shipping.

Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
to Mark Vitelli <[email protected]>

dateSun, Jul 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
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Yea As long as you have a verified paypal account then I can ship tomorrow for Tuesday to you .
use [email protected]
thanks chuck.


checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateSun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:52 PM
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I sent payment. You never know on KS---if someone will actually send money!

Please ship for Tuesday arrival to:

Mark Vitelli


fromChuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
to Mark Vitelli <[email protected]>

dateMon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:23 AM
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OK Mark , I got your money .
Thank you .
I will be shipping 3 adult female ball pythons Monday 7-7-08 for arrival to you 7-8-08
I feed my adults frozen thawed rats like this , I thaw out the rodents over night to get them room temp , then in a 5 gallon bucket I place the thawed rats and ad in HOT tap water for about 10 mi nuts,
this looks like a glowing ball of food to the snakes
I also keep all of my adult stock in 32 qt, sterility plastic bins.
on news papper with a water bowl.
the 3 inch heat tape is set at 93 degrees on a helix Debs 1000 thermostat .
my computer is acting up like freezing up and such
I have the shipping address here on my desk so no problem there , but if you email me and I dint get back to you rite away
feel free to call me on my cell 609-402-1405
thanks again for the purchase
paypal took 10.00

checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:10 AM
subject Re: Message about: 90.00 EA.Captive Born ADULT female ball`s all feeding on frozen thawed rats GROUP!
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Chuck--not one of them is 1000g.

2 of them are 700g.

Your ad says 1000g-2000g.

I will be in Philly on Wednesday night. Can I meet you with them for a refund.

Not cool. I'm not happy and I'm surprised at this.

Mark

fromChuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
dovetail <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM
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Mark they are all proven breeders.
I agree they must have lost some weight breeding , but put a rat in them and they will be rite back up at or over 1000 grams
This is how ball pythons are . you should know this if you breed them they tend to loose a few hundred grams after delivering eggs, eggs are very heavy .
feed them in a day or so and they will be rite back up there .

chuck.


checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:36 AM
subject Re: Message about: 90.00 EA.Captive Born ADULT female ball`s all feeding on frozen thawed rats GROUP!
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I know that and I purchased animals that were 1000-2000g. I tried to enter into an honest relationship saying "your choice" especially because you sweetened the deal for me.

I guarantee that one rat isn't putting 2 of those 3 over 1000g.

If they had just laid and were all at 950g---maybe I would have understood---but your ad says 1000g-2000g not "1000g-2000g after you feed them a rat".

You grossly misrepresented them---you had to know that. I told you that these were to help me get a program off the ground. I purchased animals that should have been at 1000g upon arrival to my home.

I wanna give these back to you---its good timing because I will be in Philly tomorrow. I'm willing to drive as far as I have to for $330.

I would have NEVER placed the order if you said that 2 of them would be like this and thus would not have incurred shipping.

Please get back to me ASAP.
Thanks-
Mark

fromChuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
dovetail <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM
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Mark what you actually paid is 75.00 per snake after paypal fee and shipping .
that's crazy cheap for 3 pr oven CB and raised animals .
I probably have 300 in food invested in each one.
I did not weigh them after the breeding season. And balls always loose weight especially the ones that laid eggs for me.
At the price you wanted I could not give you my largest animals
just feed them .
If you do you will see they bounce rite back up .
when I started running that ad nun of them animals were under 1000 grams .
but breeding puts a toll on there weights.
call me if you like

checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:36 AM
subject Re: Message about: 90.00 EA.Captive Born ADULT female ball`s all feeding on frozen thawed rats GROUP!
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I know that and I purchased animals that were 1000-2000g. I tried to enter into an honest relationship saying "your choice" especially because you sweetened the deal for me.

I guarantee that one rat isn't putting 2 of those 3 over 1000g.

If they had just laid and were all at 950g---maybe I would have understood---but your ad says 1000g-2000g not "1000g-2000g after you feed them a rat".

You grossly misrepresented them---you had to know that. I told you that these were to help me get a program off the ground. I purchased animals that should have been at 1000g upon arrival to my home.

I wanna give these back to you---its good timing because I will be in Philly tomorrow. I'm willing to drive as far as I have to for $330.

I would have NEVER placed the order if you said that 2 of them would be like this and thus would not have incurred shipping.

Please get back to me ASAP.
Thanks-
Mark


fromChuck Tornetta <[email protected]>
dovetail <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM
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I can not refund 330.00 because paypal took 10.00 and shipping was 60.00 and your not really being fair about this. you have very good snakes not imported junk. And Philly is 1 1/2 hours one way from my home . I can not afford 100.00 gas and tolls for my diesel truck to accommodate you over a couple of grams .
You need these girls for this coming up season rite. well you have 5 months until cool down you can get them up to 2000 grams by then if you feed every 4 days.
And YES ONE 300 GRAM RAT will get you rite back to 1000 grams .
chuck.


Vitelli <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:48 AM
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Chuck--

I realize that food costs a ton. I was just telling someone that I spent over $1000 on frozen rodents last year.

Crazy cheap---$75 a snake is a good price for a buyer---for 1100 or 1200g frozen/thawed eaters. You said you were "clearing space" not asking buyers to accept a different animal than you advertised.

I just don't get it.

I'm not trying to weasel for a discount.

Chuck--you knew when you were boxing them up---they were well under 1000g. You figured you would talk me into it after they arrived----I mean----what was I going to do---drive them to you to give them back? Yes. That's precisely what I am suggesting.

I just want us to forget about each other after this. There's no reason for Eye-talians to be arguing.

And--about your last email about $330. I would have NEVER ordered from you if I knew I was getting 700g animals---hence---the $330 is your remembrance about internet deception.

Don't worry about the gas. I will be on a business trip and will drive the entire distance.

You and I both made mistakes here----I want to be civil with you--but not STUPID with my money. $330 is a hell of a lot of cash---you are right.


fromMark Vitelli <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:11 AM
subject Re: Message about: 90.00 EA.Captive Born ADULT female ball`s all feeding on frozen thawed rats GROUP!
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Chuck-

Driving there and taking animals to a hotel for 4 days wont work. Driving there for less than a full refund is stupid.

Why didn't you just ship me the bigger animals that you have? Because you were trying to get one over on me. I know this is the case. You figured you would just talk me into it-- if I even noticed.

If I eat this whole $330 and keep these animals-- I will be completely unhappy as a buyer from Chuck Tornetta Reptiles.

I'm tired of thinking of solutions. You did this-- what will you do to fix it instead of me driving 3 hours round trip?


Mark


checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM
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mailed-bogyman.com


Chuck-

Here are pics I took upon delivery.
http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/mvite/?action=view&current=2008_0102newcam0012.jpg
http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/mvite/?action=view&current=2008_0102newcam0013.jpg

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/mvite/?action=view&current=2008_0102newcam0014.jpg

As I said---I'm not sure if your intent was to defraud me--but you did.

I guess your proposal for a solution will let me know for sure.

Mark


Mark
Now I feel as though your being reticules , them 2 females you say are 779 grams and 776 grams JUST LAID EGGS LESS THAN 2 WEEKS AGO.
How in the world do you expect me to guarantee they wont loose weight after they deliver . at the time of the ad they were at 1000 grams
just feed them and you will be rite back there again.
the other that is 953 grams was probably 1200 grams before the Prue breeding conditioning.
You already accused me of "screwing you over " that's reticules. you got pr oven breeders obviously adults with maturity
I dint see you being happy with anything I do for you.
I do not give refunds .
what I can do is give you a credit - the actual shipping if you send them back.
If you send back the 2 ( 779g and 776g)
I will send you 2 more larger girls .
chuck.
P.S THE PRICE YOU PAID FOR THEM IS LESS THAN THERE WORTH , TH ATS THE 300-400 GRAM PRICE ON CB FEMALES

checkpoint <[email protected]>
to Chuck Tornetta <[email protected]>

dateTue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:55 PM
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Chuck-

I am screwed over because you knowingly shipped me animals that weren't the weights that you advertised.

Its the oldest trick in the book---I think my grandfather called it "bait and switch".

The only thing I can do now is to make sure others are aware of your ethics.

You said on the phone that you said to your son that "these may be underweight having just laid eggs."

You knowingly deceived me----and you will do it to others.

Mark
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Please note how Chuck would like me to feed these snakes to get them to his advertised weight.

See also that Chuck has major issues with fees and shipping rates---AFTER he agrees to a deal. On the phone he told me all about how shipping heavier snakes is more expensive and Paypal takes their cut---"I'm not even making any money on this deal...." he said.

I buy a lot of stuff on line---trade, sell--you name it. This is the 1st time someone has knowingly duped me.

I am A VERY DISSATISFIED CUSTOMER of Chuck Tornetta.

And since he won't let me have my money back for the snakes---I will tell everyone I can.

He offered no equitable solutions and dumped 3 misrepresented snakes into my house. (Knowing how hard it would be to UN-do this.)

BE CAUTIOUS WHEN DEALING WITH CHUCK TORNETTA.

I'm not as concerned about the 200g per snake as much as I am about recording examples of this behavior.

Mark Vitelli

(and I apologize for any misspellings of my name here! I accidentally spell-checked everything and changed it to Vitally!)

 

[John E Dove]

Actually that box looks to have Sparrow or Chichadee dropings on it. I allow the wild Sparrows and Chickadees access to my enclosed porch in the winter time and have to scrub that stuff off every spring.
That is unexcusable IMO. Not to mention the fact that the birds could be carrying something that could be passed on to the snakes.

 

[snakewrangler]

Looks like the screened boxes that insect feeders come in.

UGH.

 

[mvite]

^^it is---its a cricket box---that's why I was speculating that it was insect droppings.

All 3 snakes were in the same pillowcase in the box.

They are here and alive---but they aren't what was advertised.

I've informed Chuck that I've started this thread.

My only desire is to get a full refund----or inform every potential buyer of Chuck Tornetta what they may get into.

NO REFUNDS? LOL. Even if it's your mistake?

 

[SPJ]

Looks like another crappy deal on the BOI with Chuck.
He needs to refund your money ASAP.
There is no excuse for what he sent you or what that box looks like.
What he made on the deal has no bearing on you. He advertised 1000-2000 gram females. That is not what he delivered.
He has NO excuse and needs to refund you immediately.

 

[jglass38]

NO REFUNDS? LOL. Even if it's your mistake?

And that's assuming it's a mistake!

He should give you a full refund. He misrepresented the animals, either by accident or otherwise. Plain and simple, when people are looking for adult female Balls to breed for the upcoming season and at this time of year, they are looking for ones over 1000 grams that have a chance to go. At under 800 grams, maybe late in the season but even that isn't a lock. You got a raw deal and hopefully Chuck makes it right.

 

[SPJ]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100942&highlight=chuck+tornetta
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102958&highlight=chuck+tornetta
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25833&highlight=chuck+tornetta

 

[mvite]

He's made it clear that he won't do anything buy replace 2 of them with a credit (less shipping.)

Once this thread was started --- I realized I probably won't get any money.

BUT--

BUT--

I can definitely help someone else not make the mistake of dealing with Chuck Tornetta.

Hobby crooks really peeve me---I can't stand it, actually. It tears at all of our trust and makes things more difficult for others.

I will do my part to tell the World about Chuck Tornetta.

 

[mvite]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100942&highlight=chuck+tornetta
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102958&highlight=chuck+tornetta
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25833&highlight=chuck+tornetta

ARGH!! I swear--I did search him here---but I didn't see those. I may have blown it because I'm not completely used to the lay out.

Never again...............

 

[chuck tornetta reptiles]

Nice job Ahole.

You know Mark Im glad you posted this on here ,
First of all , I had that kingsnake ad up for at least 4 months , at that time they were all 100 grams at least maybe more , but since the 2 780 grammers just dropped eggs 2 weeks ago ( dont you think they would be lighter untill they put there weight back on ) Ido.
Why didnt I send mark larger animals ,
Simple he is cheap,He talked me down on my already low sale price and I told him in emails I would send him 3 adult proven breeder females
GUESS WHAT ,,,,, I DID !
I SHIPPED THEM OUT THE VERY NEXT DAY , ON TIME ,
In a cricket box lol. my bad; I had to put strofoam around a cricket box and re-use it.
So back to the balls ,
what would a good business man do ?
I offered in my last email to him that if he shipped the 2 he was not happy with to me I would ship him girls over 1000 grams .
this was not good enough for Mark.
I also gave him an invite to my home since he told me he could drive down on his companys gas charge for free.
and I said I would let him pick out larger animals in person.
But then hew changed his mind . And that was not good enough either
Well now you PUT ME ON THE BOARD OF INQUIREY .
GOOD FOR YOU.
YOU PUT ME ON THE BOARD OF INQUIREY FOR SELLING YOU PROVEN BREEDER BALL PYTHONS FOR 75.00 EACH
AND 2 OF THEM WERE 225 GRAMS LIGHTER THAN YOU WANTED.
Well cheap a$$ , next time dont try to get something for nothing and you might get larger animals.
I tried to make this guy happy twice today .
Now im not doing nothing for him .
Mark you can call me a bad guy if you like .
Im sorry you feel that way .
I will not be back to this tread as I dont feel AS THOUGH IT EVEN MERRITS BEING HERE.
Really Mark gimme a break I told you they just laid eggs .they cant weigh the same as they did when I posted the ad.
Chuck
Chuck Tornetta Reptiles
609-402-1405
Available boas ;
08 square tail snow , caremel albino paradox , albino paradox , sharp albino , kahl albino , anerythristic , pdh,snows . het paradox albinos
Available balls ;
08 pied , 08 spider , 08 mojave , 08 pastel , 05 pastel m , 06 pastel m , 08 albinos , 08 het albinos , 07 blue eyed leucistics
And adult normals 4 left (Mark) can vouge for me I will ship out rite away and guarantee live arival. exact weights now before shipping !
I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE CLASSIFIEDS , the above is all just part of my title
since im in the public eye.

 

[chuck tornetta reptiles]

I meant to say 1000 grams not 100 lol

I meant to say 1000 grams in the beginning of my rant . lol sorry.

 

[shrap]

You know Mark Im glad you posted this on here ,
First of all , I had that kingsnake ad up for at least 4 months , at that time they were all 100 grams at least maybe more , but since the 2 780 grammers just dropped eggs 2 weeks ago ( dont you think they would be lighter untill they put there weight back on ) Ido.
Why didnt I send mark larger animals ,
Simple he is cheap,He talked me down on my already low sale price and I told him in emails I would send him 3 adult proven breeder females
GUESS WHAT ,,,,, I DID !
I SHIPPED THEM OUT THE VERY NEXT DAY , ON TIME ,
In a cricket box lol. my bad; I had to put strofoam around a cricket box and re-use it.
So back to the balls ,
what would a good business man do ?
I offered in my last email to him that if he shipped the 2 he was not happy with to me I would ship him girls over 1000 grams .
this was not good enough for Mark.
I also gave him an invite to my home since he told me he could drive down on his companys gas charge for free.
and I said I would let him pick out larger animals in person.
But then hew changed his mind . And that was not good enough either
Well now you PUT ME ON THE BOARD OF INQUIREY .
GOOD FOR YOU.
YOU PUT ME ON THE BOARD OF INQUIREY FOR SELLING YOU PROVEN BREEDER BALL PYTHONS FOR 75.00 EACH
AND 2 OF THEM WERE 225 GRAMS LIGHTER THAN YOU WANTED.
Well cheap a$$ , next time dont try to get something for nothing and you might get larger animals.

I cant even call that a good try. Is it just me, or was that post one of those, "dont piss on my leg and tell me it's raining" moments?

If nothing else Chuck's reply was very telling about what kind of business person, no scratch that.... human being he is. No surprise really, this is what I have come to expect from most humans anymore.

 

[TheVipersHouse]

well honestly chuck if you didnt like the price he was willing to pay then you should have said no , not send him wrong animals . point blank you stated

Well cheap a$$ , next time dont try to get something for nothing and you might get larger animals.

since you admitted to purposely deceiving this customer in that statment, your in fact no matter what you say in your defense , you are Scamming him .
and whats wrong with trying to get a better price chuck ?
wernt you just advertising on KS that you need a Male Pied ? for WHOLESALE PRICE ONLY ? seems to me your doing the very same thing he was trying to do , get a better price ..
and i see your ads have come down already .

all in all you need to let him send back the females and refund him his full payment .

 

[mvite]

As someone who highly values his collection---I never--ever--make lowball offers to sellers.

And Chuck--I didn't do that here either. I asked you how much for 3 shipped and cheesily asked if you could do any better---and you said no---Very nicely--you said no $330 shipped. So I thanked you and considered you a probable good person. Then you came right back and replied you would do $315 shipped---never once did I name a price or haggle. I simply asked if you could do better. You set the terms.

I'm ashamed of myself for getting caught up in normal female BP obsession-----they are so sexy though! I made a rash decision and was impetuous to buy from someone like Chuck Tornetta. (I can't wait until his relatives Google their last name one day and find out Chuck Tornetta likes to make $25 here and there in this manner....)

As for his admission of shipping me lesser animals---if anyone knows of a way that I can spend a couple bucks more and make more out of this for Chuck Tornetta---Please PM me. I paid with Paypal so there's no mail fraud. I think you will be surprised at the amount of time I'd be willing to spend on this!! LOL.... Man, I hate hobby scammers----did I mention that?

Sheesh--Chuck did seem like he was trying to "get me back" for getting $15 off, huh? He seemed like such a nice guy until I brought this whole "deception" thing up. Is it me???

As for refunds---I'd like one in full--since again---I wouldn't have ever asked Chuck Tornetta to ship anything to me if he would have told me that these snakes were lesser animals than advertised.

I would be willing to drive to meet him for a refund of $315 and I would give him the animals---but he's not willing to do that. (Look at that shipping box----do I wanna drive 1.5 hours (one way) and go to his house?)

I will raise these girls if I don't get a full refund for this FRAUD---and I will breed them one day!!!!!!!! YAHOO!

But I just can't let anyone else buy from Chuck Tornetta without knowing this is his style.

Thanks for your reply, Chuck!

 

[charleshanklin]

What about the fact that these are supposed to 04' animals and are this small. I know bps can be picky feeders but come on. Toss some rats in there already. What about the fact that he was advertising proven females from 1000 grams but yet have not laid eggs. Why is he breeding 1000 gram females anyway? Does he need 3 eggs that bad? If in fact they were already proven and still only 1000, what happened to them? Did they not put the breeding weight back on or was the whole thing a sham? Does he have any pics of them on eggs? There is alot ot worry about with this transaction and chuck's story. I will defintely stay away form this guy. The sad thing is he had a few animals I WAS interested in until I read this.

 

[mvite]

Chuck Tornetta, Can I have a FULL REFUND?

I will be headed to Philadelphia tomorrow and will need to bring them with me to meet you somewhere in NJ.

Please, Chuck Tornetta, your my only hope...

 

[Lucille]

Perhaps a math remedial course is in order here. When one says that one will send snakes between 1,000-2,000 grams, a snake of 780 grams is outside of that range.

When you cannot give a customer what you promise, you should notify them and let them make the choice of whether they want to pay the agreed price for a snake well below the description given.

I agree with those who expressed disgust when they saw the snakes were shipped togeth in one back in a filthy used cricket box. There has been recent discussions of snake backs, pillowcases, and their cost, and $1 each was mentioned. And a new box could not be that pricey.

In my opinion, the seller should let the buyer keep the three snakes and send out three free snakes that actually conformed to what he said he was going to send. And pay shipping too.
Expensive? Yeah. What's a good vendor rep worth, though?

 

[hhmoore]

You paid via PayPal - All Chuck has to do is click REFUND...the money he received goes back, and you get back what you paid. It's that simple.

And I can't help but agree with Shawn: if it was such a bad deal from Chuck's perspective, he should have just said no.

 

[Steve Hamm]

You didn't get what you paid for,file a dispute with Paypail.

 

[mvite]

^^And remember---he set the price. I simply asked for his best deal.

As a business person--I appreciate when buyers tell me they have "the urge to buy" because as you can see---sometimes it only takes a couple bucks to seal a deal.

Let's face it folks, Chuck Tornetta isn't going to give me my money back.

But on the bright side----it sounds like I may have rescued 3 female ball pythons today!!!