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CHUCK TORNETTA ... Story .. YOU JUDGE

JBirgel said:
Like everything else you lied about the other snakes you sold me and that was proven here today

Is "that" what was really proven here today?

You picked out the "lemon pastel" yourself.
You have all these animals dying.
you also personally picked out an animal that you later claim was "sickly and dying" from the start

perhaps I am slow. but the "that" which you were trying to prove is different from the "that" which I have learned.
 
JBirgel said:
Like everything else you lied about the other snakes you sold me and that was proven here today

So far I haven't seen you prove anything in this thread other than you have a poor eye when it comes to picking snakes, and some sort of husbandry issues if snakes and lizards die off in such high numbers while in your care. It isn't as if you bought these snakes sight unseen, had them shipped to you, opened the box and discovered sick animals. YOU picked these out in person and expressed satisfaction, in writing, on several different occasions. Sorry to her that the snake(s) died, but so far you haven't "proven" that their death was caused by anything Chuck did or didn't do, nor have you proven that the snake you posted was the actual "Lemon Pastel" that you got from Chuck. I'm not saying you are a liar, but you really haven't proven anything, except for the fact that Chuck tried on several different occasions to make things "right" to your satisfaction, and that you change your mind more than most women.
:shrug01:
 
Gecko_Den said:
So far I haven't seen you prove anything in this thread other than you have a poor eye when it comes to picking snakes, and some sort of husbandry issues if snakes and lizards die off in such high numbers while in your care. It isn't as if you bought these snakes sight unseen, had them shipped to you, opened the box and discovered sick animals. YOU picked these out in person and expressed satisfaction, in writing, on several different occasions. Sorry to her that the snake(s) died, but so far you haven't "proven" that their death was caused by anything Chuck did or didn't do, nor have you proven that the snake you posted was the actual "Lemon Pastel" that you got from Chuck. I'm not saying you are a liar, but you really haven't proven anything, except for the fact that Chuck tried on several different occasions to make things "right" to your satisfaction, and that you change your mind more than most women.
:shrug01:

sorry to her = sorry to here. What can I say, it's early and i'm on vacation...
:rofl:
 
Gecko_Den said:
I'm not saying you are a liar, but you really haven't proven anything, except for the fact that Chuck tried on several different occasions to make things "right" to your satisfaction, and that you change your mind more than most women.
:shrug01:
You are right. Quite honestly, this thread reminded me that if I ever thought of getting into reptiles again, that I should give Chuck T. a buzz.

Because he tries to make things right years and years later.
He tries to make things right without proof that things were ever wrong.

Okay Chucky, turn the other way. This could be offensive.

It tells me that if I was ever a bad guy, to make sure to get my animals from Chuck. Because he is a gullable dummy who will take my word for it and bend over backwards to get me more animals. Too easy to take advantage of.
 
Ritchie Luna said:
You are right. Quite honestly, this thread reminded me that if I ever thought of getting into reptiles again, that I should give Chuck T. a buzz.

Because he tries to make things right years and years later.
He tries to make things right without proof that things were ever wrong.

Okay Chucky, turn the other way. This could be offensive.

It tells me that if I was ever a bad guy, to make sure to get my animals from Chuck. Because he is a gullable dummy who will take my word for it and bend over backwards to get me more animals. Too easy to take advantage of.

LOL, it is years and years later and nothing is right,

Gecko, I don't have large numbers of animals dieing off, I'm not going to get into the size of my collection nor the amount of animals I produce yearly but I will say that I have annual success with breeding.

The Lemon Pastel and the HEt Replacement

The Lemon was a bright pastel when he was young, but HE BROWNED OUT not what a lemon does. I was assured by Chuck that the animals was infact going to get better over time but it did not. He had two lemons pastels there but he said the nicer one was his keeper, I mistakenly accepted that believing the animal I was taking was truly a Lemon Pastel and not a regular pastel.

As for the HEt, Again there was no large array of hets I could choose from it was either pick a baby het which I did not want to do or Go with a the the Het that slugged out. I had been several season into boas at the time and I did believe that I could turn here around. She was eating and doing OK but not extraordinary. I was not Happy with this but I spoke to some breeders about the situation. I was given the advice to move on by several people and just cut my losses. That is what I did.

I from the start of all this said I wanted this story out for the public to view and then you all can judge either me or him.

I have thick skin so if you believe Chuck did everything he could on the boas then so be it.

If you believe he did everything he could to make me happy with the fake Lemon pastel then so be it. ( He has done nothing about that deal)

If you believe he did everything about the the fake possible hets then so be it.

He slandered me on here in a childish defense, claiming my hets were not hets yet he sold them to people as hets. Hmm....

You spend the amount of money I did with this guy you come to expect a little gratitude but with Chuck he could care less.

It's just bad business on his part and were not talking about some product from Walmart that you buy and take back a few days later.

The snake biz has a lot of windy long roads in it and the re really isn't any instant gratification in it. Breeding takes time and it takes a certain type of person to carry good business practices through out the years you work so hard to accomplish so much.

There are breeders out there that handle their messes well, it's my opinion that Chuck is just not that type of person because of the bad business this all started with.

For the people that bought my 04 hets I traded to Chuck, they are hets and I have picture id's of each boa that is 100% het that was traded to Chuck.

Chuck, if you think your going to try to screw me bu slandering my name and calling me a thief your seriously mistaken.

To anyone else that reads this, I was young and dumb to believe everything I heard from some shady business dealer and I hope that you learn some thing from my mistakes. If you get the slightest tingle of distrust.. RUN and that's about it....
 
The Lemon was a bright pastel when he was young, but HE BROWNED OUT not what a lemon does.

I've seen quite a few adult Lemon Pastels that have browned out like that.
 
JBirgel said:
LOL, it is years and years later and nothing is right,

...

Yeah, if I personally pick out animals and they all seem to die in my care.
I would be mad too.

If I hear that the siblings to my animals are all alive and well... I would be extremely pissed. ................at myself
 
Ritchie Luna said:
Yeah, if I personally pick out animals and they all seem to die in my care.
I would be mad too.

If I hear that the siblings to my animals are all alive and well... I would be extremely pissed. ................at myself

So a Boa with Cancer is bad Husbaandry ??
A very large healthy male Albino boa that dies suddenly?
A 6ft boa that came from Chucks collection that died after she was eatign and doing fine?

All of those animals came from Chuck..

Now Let's Run Down the List of boas I got from Pete Kahl that died.
None

The list from Ralph Davis
None

The List from animals I produced and raised myself.
Guess what NONE

And the list from other boa breeders...
Hmm None....

SO you can sit there and judge me but that's how it all pans out....

Did I mention I produce a few other species and I have no mortality rate there either....

I talked to Nerd about Lemon pastels and they assure me that a true lemon does not brown out... I guess there's a few people on here calling Nerd Liars.... I don't think theat Nerd would steer people wrong about a morph....
 
A 6ft boa that came from Chucks collection that died after she was eatign and doing fine?
Accept for the lack of weight she was having a hard tome getting back....
 
I talked to Nerd about Lemon pastels and they assure me that a true lemon does not brown out... I guess there's a few people on here calling Nerd Liars.... I don't think theat Nerd would steer people wrong about a morph....

All I'm saying is that I have seen adult Lemon Pastels with my own eyes that have browned out a lot and are not nearly as bright as they were as juveniles. I've seen other lines of Pastel that do the same thing. They all do it to some degree.
 
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