CMG Reptiles Inquiry

[snakebstr]

From what I read it looked like Rene was on Chris's case about some photo of an albino ball and wether chris was a scammer. I was just making reference to a deal that went bad with me and RENE Montez...where RENE posted bad stuff about me for NO reason at all. Here is the storie...I don't remember all of the details but Rene posted to Kenyan sand boas(1.1 adults) I believe we were gonna do a trade. Well when I got the snakes it was 2.0 and I told him I didn't need the 2 males, he wanted me to ship back to him and then he would send me the shipping. Well of course I would do that so he posted that I was trying to scam him out of 35.00 and his 2 snakes, and that was not the case. I just didn't want him to never pay me back for shipping his 2 male kenyans back to him. But anyway all I was saying is I personally do not think RENE cares who he trys to bash or if it is true or not. A lot of people read the BOI and people can say anything they want on here and you may not see it for several days by the time you find out about it the damage is done and you may not even be guilty of what who ever is saying, belive me I have been on the posts and convicted before I even knew what was going on. Even though I told the people responceably they were full of it they still slammed me. But anyway If we find a real CROOK OK post about it But people should not post anything on here BEFORE trying to resolve the problem or whatever with the person in question FIRST. I just believe Rene did that with chris. Thanks DAVID

 

[SNAKESALLAROUND]

If you look at what chris was accused of it was all for nothing. he bought an animal from a friend and this friend sent him the pics of the animal first. chris bought the animal to resale and used the pics that he was sent to sell the animal. how was he supposed to know the pics were not taken by his friend. also he was accused of the fact the animal in the pics was different then the animal he sold or was going to sell. thats ludicris. it was the same animal. he sent me the same pics and he sent me pics of the animal about a week ago on newspaper with the date on it cause i was intrested in buying the animal. so i think there is alot of trying to damage a good person going on here.




my thoughts
jason

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

Kind of sneaky to throw your bad guy report in on the 9th page of a thread with someone elses name in the subject line. Kind of sounds like

"people can say anything they want on here and you may not see it for several days by the time you find out about it the damage is done and you may not even be guilty of what who ever is saying"

Hmmmmmmmm..............................

 

[snakebstr]

WHAT? Does all that mean cheryl? Explain. Thanks

 

[snakebstr]

If your saying I am saying Rene is a bad guy, I don't think that is what I was saying. I was SAYING Don't BELIEVE EVERYTHING RENE SAYS because I know first Hand He misjudges people and jumps the gun with out having the facts. I never said don't deal with him. I just Explained my situation with him(RENE). thanks

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

Maybe I read it different than you intended in writing it. It is early and I've not had enough coffee. It read to ME like you were trying to get a dig in where it would only be noticed by a few people, if that's not what you were trying to do~ okay, I'll just have another cup of coffee and go back to cage cleaning.

 

[snakebstr]

Nah I didn't try and do that. I just wanted people to know what happend to me with RENE and that Maybe in The case where Rene is accusing Chris of the stuff he did in this post that maybe its not true since He accused me of trying to rip him off when in return I just didn't want him to be able to Screw me out of shipping costs since he wanted me to pay first for shipping his snakes back to him. And when I said NO he called me a CROOK on the kingsnake Black list. I thought at the time he had NO reason to Post anything about me. I ws just trying to get his snakes back to him without getting ripped myself... Not that he would have...But in this day and time anything is possible. thanks

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

Internet is a great tool for comminication~ problem is, we can't "Read" all those subtle cues that often make all the difference in what we MEAN when we speak. Could be my crabby no coffee mood colored what you wrote to look more hatefull than your intent.

Peace~ Tootles,
Cheryl

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

CMG Reptiles Inquiry

Hets or Not ??????????

I would like to make my contribution on the inquiry of CMG Reptiles. On 3-3-2004 CMG advertised 0.2- 2003 100% Het. Albino Boas for sale. I e-mailed them expressing intrest in them. CMG e-mailed me back that they were still available for sale, and they came with a money back gaurantee Receipt signed by Chris , since they were Hets. On 3-4-2004 I sent a M.O. via Fed-Ex overnight in the amount of 500.00 for their purchase. On 3-8-2004 Chris shipped boas, they arrived on 3-9-2004. They were packed very well, and animals were flawless, however there was no paperwork on these animals. I contacted Chris back on 3-9-2004 inquiring about Receipt, he stated he would send it out. On 3-18-2004, no Receipt, I contacted him back. He stated that he was going to get Receipt notorized to protect both of us better, and it would go out in mail next morning. On 3-25-2004 no Receipt, I contacted him. He stated he couldn't get a straight answer from his employees on Receipt, but that he was going to Re-do it and send it out in morning. On 4-5-2004 nothing yet, I contacted Chris via e-mail, his response was to e-mail him my address that he would send it out priority mail next day. Well 4-6-2004 Nothing yet. I e-mailed Chris but got no response. I am a straight forward and honest person and I don't appreciate being Lied to. I am not in any way trying to make Chris out a bad person, he is doing it to himself. He even states in a post from he made himself on 12-10-2003 @ 5:12 p.m. ( QUOTE) To clear up confusion I always give a money back gaurantee on all my 100% Hets. after 2 cosecutive breedings. I will always offer whatever I need to make sure anyone I deal with is satisfied with the Hets. they get from me. I am not questioning quality of his animals, just the integrity of his business practices. So here it is 4-6-2004, I don't know if the boas I purchased are Hets. or not. I will just have to wait and see.


Thanks
Bill Rodriquez

 

[DD'S REPTILES]

Well i know chris and he is a busy person but he stated in his thread that he stands behind the animals. and whether you see it or not you are making him out to be a bad guy. we have spent alot of money with him this year and have been totally satisfied. we also just proved out het clowns we bought from him last year. but i just cant stand when people post on here and jump the gun and trash people especially good people. but i guess that is what this site is designed to do. so trash away but i will spend more money with them any chance i get.


DD
REPTILES

 

[Bill Rodriquez]

I am not trying to trash chris in any way shape or form,but it shouldn't take a month to resolve this little matter. I have already stated that the animals he sold me were flawless, and that his shipping was excellant,if I was trying to trash him I would have found problems with that most likely also. All he needs to do is to give me what I should have rightfully gotten in the begining. When this happens I will have a very different outlook on this matter and I will repost on the BOI about the results. This in my opinion and others should have never taken a month to get a gaurantee. I have bought Het. animals from other individuals and never had to fool around for over a month to get something. I am a business person also and at times I get very busy, but I don't forget my goal of customer satisfaction.

Thank You
Bill Rodriquez

 

[The BoidSmith]

Melissa,

In my opinion Bill didn't trash Chris in any way. The fact is that he has been very civil. He paid for something that he did not get. He paid for animals WITH paperwork, and he never received the latter. It is not that there was no communication with the seller. He apparently contacted him repeatedly and always received a similar answer, that he will receive them sometime in the near future. That never happened. The only guarantee Bill has on the genetics of those animals is the paperwork. Hopefully Chris will get back to him with the documentation shortly.

Regards.

 

[SNAKESALLAROUND]

herer we go again with alvaro,s 2 cents. you must have nothing to do in a days time but to get in the middle of things. but anyways i know chris is good for his word but he is a busy person and i had to wait on paperwork as well. but the bottom line is he strates his policies on his ads and on here so ant of that can be used against him as well but i guess you didnt think about that did ya? any way chris is a good dude to deal with so i wouldnt worry about getting screwed cause its not like hes going anywhere.






jason b in the place to be

 

[The BoidSmith]

herer we go again with alvaro,s 2 cents. you must have nothing to do in a days time but to get in the middle of things.

It seems you are upset at me. It also seems you understand expressing one's opinion on an issue is getting in the way. Interesting concept. Time...time is so relative...who was it that said that?

but anyways i know chris is good for his word but he is a busy person and i had to wait on paperwork as well.

The fact that you had to go through something similar in no way changes matters. You shouldn't have had to. Maybe being so "busy" is not such a good thing after all. You are surelyas busy a person as I am, nevertheless we found the time to express our opinion in here. Not a minor thing to stand for a friend, or even stand up for someone you don't even know. It shows you care...

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thing makes me thing but the bottom line is he strates his policies on his ads and on here so ant of that can be used against him as well but i guess you didnt think about that did ya?

I'm not sure I understand your point. He states his policies in his ads? What does that have to do with not sending the paperwork with the animals?

any way chris is a good dude to deal with so i wouldnt worry about getting screwed cause its not like hes going
anywhere.

No one labeled Chris a bad Guy, not even Bill. Whether you like it ot not Bill paid for something he did not receive (and it is not it was never requested and replied to). Nevertheless I'm confident Chris will send the paperwork shortly. How long did it take for you to receive yours?

Kindly.

 

[SNAKESALLAROUND]

the point i was making was everyone knows his policies with his hets since he has put them out there on public forums. just find one more person out there or company that offers a full money back guarantee on hets. and he has posted that in his ad and his previous posts. but all im saying is a guaranee is worth as much as you trust the person who gave it since they are all based on ones word so if someone trusts the person enough to buy the animal then the rest is technically irelevent dont ya think? i mean i could send you a couple of normals and tell you they are hets and send you some paperwork but this isnt the a.k.c where paperwork is backed buy a profesional registry. the paperwork is basically an extension of ones word and that is about as plainly as i can put it.




jason

 

[The BoidSmith]

the point i was making was everyone knows his policies with his hets since he has put them out there on public forums. just find one more person out there or company that offers a full money back guarantee on hets.

Jason,

I hear you, but let me give you just one example of the several that have been bouncing around this forum. How about Harry Eisenmann a.k.a Digital Reptiles/HCE/Carolina Reptile Exchange. He offers the same type og guarantee.

This has nothing to do with doubting Chris' honesty. I have bought heteros from the Sutherlands, Ralph Davis, Dan Wolfe, Steve Osborne, etc. Although they are among the most trustworthy breeders in the country they have always sent proof of genetics with their animals. They don't offer the money back guarantee if the animals don't produce the morphs after two breedings. And you know what? They don't need it. Again I'm not saying Chris needs it I'm just stating the facts of well-known, respectable breeders.

This is just an example and he has posted that in his ad and his previous posts. but all im saying is a guaranee is worth as much as you trust the person who gave it since they are all based on ones word so if someone trusts the person enough to buy the animal then the rest is technically irelevent dont ya think?

Yes I agree with you, and it is precisely what I meant when giving the example of those breeders.

the paperwork is basically an extension of ones word and that is about as plainly as i can put it.

Exactly. But if you offer it as a sales pitch, you need to send it. If you tell the buyer that is going to be sent tomorrow it has to be there tomorrow. If you can't (things happen), call and tell him why and when he can't expect it.

Have a good one!

 

[dwedeking]

the paperwork is basically an extension of ones word and that is about as plainly as i can put it.

In the sense of whether you actually get hets or not, you are 100% correct. The issue comes into play if the hets do not prove out and you wind up in a legal situation. Signed paperwork gives you much more fire power in front of a judge, compared to "he said, she said" 2 years later (things can be remembered in error after 2 years when it comes to conversations, not in the case of signed paperwork). Basically the customer paid for this extra peace of mind, and like any other service deserves to receive it.

For the record we've sold items to Chris, and I've spoken briefly with him via email and this error in judgement seems out of character and can easily be remedied. Hopefully he will soon.

 

[The BoidSmith]

If you can't (things happen), call and tell him why and when he can't expect it.

Sorry, I meant:

If you can't (things happen), call and tell him why and when he canexpect it.

Jason,

A while ago one of these two-year guarantees was posted in this site as a topic of dicussion (it came from an ad posted in ks). Maybe someone remembers where it is and can provide a link to the thread in question. The person (company?) offering the following guarantee:

1. The person trying to breed the animals should demonstrate he knows what he is doing. I'm not sure what he meant by that.

2. He has to fail to produce the morph in question after two breedings. Those of us that have bred constrictors know it is not for everyone to breed them, let alone twice. Females can breed one year and skip the next. So from babies until you prove them out it could very well be 6 years.

3. Pictures of the actual copulation need to be provided Again this is for both failed breedings. Doable but...

4. Pictures of the actual oviposition (in pythons) need to be provided Again this is for both failed breedings. This request will be very difficult to fulfill if at all.

5. Pictures of the hatching moment need to be provided Again this is for both failed breedings.

Of course this is in the event you had bought both heteros from the same person because if one came from another source you can claim nothing as he can not guarantee the other animal.

Thanks.

 

[SNAKESALLAROUND]

we also know that with hets even if you produce them and breed them yourself you dont always produce the morph. that is the gamble you get with hets. but if you dont want to spend the money and buy the morph than thats the risk you take. and all the garuantees out there that i know of when dealing with balls is for the second breeding. now with boas you will prove on the first breeding for the most part. but do yourself a favor and dont quote others and apply it to somebodies thread. that is what is wrong with the people who use this site. they get away from the integrity of the original posts. this thread started buy people questioning chris,s integrity with the het boas. he specifically said that they were produced by a het kahl to a het sharp and that he wasnt standing buy that you will produce albinos, that is why the price was 100.00. it waqs a breeding of 2 strains that were not compatible with eachother and now we are off on a whole other tangent. this is the last post im responding to since i feel that it has been proven time and time again that chris is not a bad guy. but certain people here like to still try and put thier 2 cents in to try and ruin good people.






jason

 

[Glenn Bartley]

but certain people here like to still try and put thier 2 cents in to try and ruin good people.

So exactly what is it you are trying to do to Alvaro? Good grief, this is an open, did I spell that correctly OPEN forum for anyone who took the time to register on this site. Get it, this is an open discussion. Alvaro did not try to ruin anyone, as I can see, but did state his opinion; which by the way he is free to do on this OPEN forum. Now you try to steer the whole discussion away from the points that were made by labeling him a bad mouther. I wonder, what does that make you?

The fact of the matter is that Chris did, if I understand correctly, misstated the lineage of the snake(s) in question. He also apparently used pics that were not his to use. There is no reason for anyone to suspect that this was necessarily a good guy thing to do, but there surely is a reason for someone to suspect it as a bad guy thing to do. So a thread was created and a discussion followed. The matter was probably cleared up, but some side issues evolved - just as in a normal discussion.

One side issue, not too far aside as it does relate to Chris's integrity, was the issue of someone not receiving a receipt for goods bought and paid for. Remember this thread was not initially about the pics of the snake(s) in question, or their lineage, it was an inquiry about CMG Reptiles, so any relevant bad guy info would apply, as would any relevant good guy info. So, whether or not Chris is a good guy does or bad guy, could hinge on such things as his business practices, and if it is indeed a fact that he did not send out a receipt in a timely manner that would be relevant to this discussion. Not sending out a promised receipt, on a timely basis, would not be a good thing. Not only is the receipt allegedly not timely, the receipt is way overdue; yet Chris has had, if I understood correctly (and if the person who stated such is to be believed), much time: to chastise his employees about it, to answer emails about, and to post in this thread about other things. Of course that would cause concern, and of course it could naturally be brought up in this thread, and of course someone like Alvaro could comment on it.

In fact, allow me to comment on it too in a hypothetical manner: I would have returned the animals by now for a refund at the expense of Chris for his not keeping his part of the deal in that he had not sent the promised signed receipt. Allegedly he has not kept up his side of the deal. Remember this, your word against another person's word in a sales dispute is one thing in court. Your word plus a signed receipt from the seller plus the goods from the seller that do not match what was in that signed receipt are a ball of fire in a civil or criminal proceeding. The Romans said it well thousands of years ago: Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware). Regardless of anyone's reputation, including Chris's, you would have to be less than intelligent to just take someone at their word if you have never met them before for a fairly expensive deal, especially if they did not completed all the terms of that deal as they had promised. As I see it, Chris has used some pretty bad business practices in at least a couple of his business dealings. Does that make him a bad guy, not necessarily, especially since others have gone to bat for him. What it does do though, is it allows the consumer to have some knowledge of what has gone on, and then to make up his/her own mind in well thought out way before deciding to deal with Chris. If Chris actually did the things that were alleged, well then it is not Alvaro or anyone on this forum who has ruined him, Chris's own actions may have done that in some people's eyes. Then again, why would this necessarily ruin him, maybe he will see that some of his business practices were at least reasonably questionable by others, and maybe he will strive to change the questionable ones for the better. That would not ruin him, but rather improve him.

So again, what was you point? Seems to me it was just to throw in your .02 cents, so why bad mouth Alvaro for doing likewise? Your .02 cents are welcome here, even when they disagree with other, but so are those of everyone else.


On a more general note to this thread:

By the way, I was and remain quite curious that no one on this thread ever said anything (I don't remember it anyhow) as to how the two pictures in question were taken under obviously very different lighting and back drop conditions. The second picture shown in Chris's post of the two small pics (I am guessing that was the one in question as the links to it provided by others never worked for me) was obviously done with too much flash - way to much flash, on a light substrate and with a light and reflective background. That was the pic of the lone snake. The one of the pair, was probably done with the f-stop of the camera pushed down at least one full f-stop so as to darken the pic and was apparently done under diffused light. Such would enhance any color contrast and definitely would enhance color saturation. Of course that pic could have also been doctored in processing either on a PC or during development if film was used (please note I am not saying it was doctored or that the f-stop was purposefully bracketed down, some cameras are notorious for under or over exposure). Heck I have seen pics in the same ad that were taken by the same person within seconds of each other that look very different (I know they were my pics when I was in a hurry). It especially happens when someone does not understand any concept of lighting for photography except that he/she needs enough light, or when some is purposefully trying to achieve a desired photographic effect.

When you look at both of those pics, the one taken by Chris and the one taken by Rene, which would you rather use to sell your animal. I would opt for the pic of both of them. The pic of the lone animal is probably not too close to what it even actually looked like even if the snake had faded with age - it is just a terrible photograph with way to much over exposure due to the apparent direct flash. Of course, I understand permission should have been obtained to use the pic of the pair, but I also understand Chris thinking it was someone else's (other than Rene's) photo and his believing that he did have a right to use it. Hopefully someone learned something from all this, and the future will hold less problems like this.

All the best,
Glenn B