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cmg reptiles......poss dh sharp x albino boas ?????

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Anyone ever dealt with cmg reptiles, and if soo do you find them to be a honest company.

I am interested in a group of poss dh sharp x kahl albino boas that are said to be produced by cmg ( I assume in o3). Does anyone know if such a pairing was done by them.

To be upfront, I am not looking to purchase directly from cmg at this time, just want to know if they could have produced the animals to begin with.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
I didn't think those two strains were compatible?
 
From what I have read they are not. It is my understanding if the two strains are breed together you get normals het for both strains.

Sorry, do not about CMG, I have not done business with them.
 
Sounds like a scam in the making to me.......MAYBE!

THis is what the guy is saying he did in his breedings.
1. Bred the two strains of albino together and got normals 100% het for both.
2. Then bred the babies to Hypo making some Hypos POSSIBEL DH for both strains.

The only thing I can think of, like Dennis said above, is that you would have normals.
WIth that said, lets think about that breeding, you COULD breed the two together. You would get 50% normals het for both strains and 50% hypos het for both strains. Could it be done? Sure, I think it could.
Lord knows what you will get when you breed the two together. You could very well have some genes choose to join (to Kahl strin genes and not the Sharp or vice versa) and still get Sunglows and then have to figure out by looks (tough to do) which is which.

Don't know for sure, but it is an interesting thought.
 
The story is an unexperinced breeder bred a het sharp x het kahl expecting to get albinos.

While not compatible, you can breed a kahl to a sharp. Say you breed an albino of each together, you would get viable babies, but NO ALBINOS. However at that point the babies would be DH for both sharp and kahl albino.

No hypo was used anywhere in the pairing, thus no het for sunglow, just dh for sharp AND kahl albno

However makeing things even more "muddy" since they were hets, the babies are basically the result of a het x common breeding on both genes, making the babies at best 25% het for EACH STRAIN of albino. So they could hit on one or not the other, or both. However unless you breed both genes into them you wouldnt know if it was for both.....confusing.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
Mickey,
I am not so sure about your %'s. If you bred a albino to a normal you would get normals 100% het albino.

Why would it be any different if you bred a Sharp to a Kahl albino. You would get all normals and all normals would be 100% het for both genes. The trick is what would happen when you breed those together.

It is really no different than 100% het for snows. They are normals that are 100% het for two traits (albino and Anery).

***Sorry, not sure where I got the Sunglow part.
 
Brian

You are correct, if you bred a ALBINO (sharp) to a ALBINO (kahl) they would be 100% dh sharp x kahl albino (or 100% het for both strains to dumb it down even more...lol)

However theese were the result of a HET sharp x HET kahl as the story goes. Thus that would be like breeding a HET x COMMON for BOTH strains.

Thus theese animals are (again to dumb it down, not for anyone in particular, for everyone it is confusing) POSSIBLE (25% if Im not mistaken) het for sharp strain albino and AT THE SAME TIME POSSIBLE het (again 25%) for kahl strain albino.

And to the statemnt "paying alot for commons" actually the price isnt the issue. Not that it matters, but they are at or near the 100$ ea mark, the price of a common roughly (retail of course...lol)

The big worry for me would be I would like to get them just for the fact that they COULD be het for sharp strain albino. I need female het sharp BAD (who doesnt). However after posting here, I started doing the genetic soup numbers, and realized they were only at best 25% possible het sharp.

Now I honestly dont think it would be worth breeding my sharp male to them, when I only have a 1 in 4 chance of producing albinos. I would be far better served pairing him with my ghost female, a hypo, anery, as atleast then I would be creating known dhs if nothing else..lol.

Still I am going back and fourth. Anyone into the sharp project knows how hard it it to find girls, and heck they may be worth while even 6 years down the road when I had my own het or albino sharps from other breedings, who knows.

Mickey Hinkle
The LIzard King Reptiles
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you breed a het to a normal, the result is 66% chance.

Just like my boas I have. They are the result of a albino bred to a 100% dh Snow. That gives me 100% het albino/66% het snow.

So your chances are better than 25%.
 
genetics

I believe, 100%het Kahl albino x 100% het Sharp albino would be, all the babies would be 50% het for one or the other strains, 25% would be double het and 25% would be normal. If you were buying them as hets, I think 50% poss. would be a fair term.
 
Nope off by a little.

You breed a het to a het you have 66% ers.

Thats why when you breed a dh sunglow (hypo 100% het albino) to a dh sunglow you get POSSIBLE (66%) dh sunglows (well anything thats not albino, sunglow, or common that is, and even then the commons are 66% het albino)

At best they may be 50%ers, I may be wrong on the 25%. If thats the case, then you are right the chances are a bit more in my favor, and now I am interested a bit more.

I need to get the numbers figured out rock solid. I know for a FACT they are not 66% ers or 100% ers.

So you guys, help me out a het to a common produces what %

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
Simple recessive genes:

Albino x normal= all normal looking 100% het albino babies

Het albino x normal= all normal looking 50% will be het, 50% will be normal, ie: Possible hets, or 50% possible hets

Het x Het= 66% possible hets and albinos
 
100% Kahl Het X 100% Sharp Het should produce...

out of 16

4 commons
4 het for kahl
4 het for sharp
4 DH sharp and kahl

chances are 1 in 4, 25%, you get a common, non-het
1 in 4, 25%, you get a het for kahl
1 in 4, 25%, you get a het for sharp
1 in 4, 25%, you get a DH sharp and kahl
SOOO

chances are more like 75% that you will get a het, regardless of what strain

chances are 50% that you will get a het for sharp, since 4 can possibly be het for sharp and 4 could possibly be het for both



hope this helps...

Joe
 
It is obvious that the dh for both strains is feasible but why would someone want to have it? From a strictly economic perspective it makes little sense. Market price for the Sharp strain is probably close to 3 times as much that of the Kahl strain. If one had a Sharp strain wouldn't it make more sense to breed it to another Sharp (visual) or even hetero for Sharp? What's the point in having the dh Kahl/Sharp. If a male, what are you going to breed him to? It would make sense to breed him to another dh (to produce Kahls and Sharps) but breed him to a visual of either one of the strains will produce half the clutch of the dam's visual srain, and the other half 100% heteros for the dam strain that are also "possibles" for Kahl. Honestly I don't see the value of such a breeding project.

Regards.
 
Alvaro

Here is the value.

We can all agree sharp strain het females are next to IMPOSSIBLE to get at any age.

Theese are ALL females and priced at or near the price of POSSIBLE HET KAHLS, not even HET KAHL price, less. Let alone FAR LESS then retail price on sharp hets, let alone possible hets.

The price isnt the issue. If they are what he says they are, they would be worth it to me for the sharp strain alone. Sure I have kahl on hand, but would be purchasing them soley for the chance at the sharp genetics.

The price is the last issue in my mind. As long as they are what he claims them to be they would be well worth the cost in my eyes.

Its obvious to me at this point no one was aware of this pairing, and its unlikely I will get much support on the chances of the genetics being legit. That is the real issue for me, as I would hate to waste a breeding on them soo to speak, as I only have one sharp albino male (and NO FEMALE sharp albinos, hets, or possible hets) so I would only be albe to pair him with a few select females.......grrrrr decisions.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
The price isnt the issue. If they are what he says they are, they would be worth it to me for the sharp strain alone. Sure I have kahl on hand, but would be purchasing them soley for the chance at the sharp genetics.

The price is the last issue in my mind. As long as they are what he claims them to be they would be well worth the cost in my eyes.
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Mickey,

I can understand what you are going after, but by purchasing solely for the "chance" at the Sharp genetics you are in fact already paying a high price because of the time invested in the gamble. Anyways it was just an opinion.

Kindly
:)
 
I agree completely, that by purchasting them for the sharp strain alone it would be a gamble, but sadly with the limited availability of sharp strain hets, I am very tempted.

I would LOVE to buy some 100% hets, just cant seem to find any. Now I have to wonder if its worth it to go after a "chance" or just say screw it and go for dh's rather then albinos. The way it looks I would likely go for dh's.

But still, if anyone is able to verify any of the facts about this group that was supposed to be brokered by cmg reptiles, I would love to hear it. As it may be worth while for me to grab them for use in a few years to pair up with my own hets, should I be lucky enough to produce some. So I am still interested (besides the price is very very minimal, the cost of care would be far more then animal cost at this point).

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
CMG reply

I have dealt with CMG many times and have known him for years. He is a good honest person and you will get exactly what he says your getting. His animals are spotless and well taken care of. I have some balls that all came from CMG and they are all doing great. I for one trust him wholeheartedly!!

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