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Corn ID please

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I picked this male up last summer it was being sold as a butter corn, I know its not a butter but I am confused about its ID, can anyone help. I'll be breeding him next season to a snow, anyone know what I might get out of that breeding. sorry cell phone pics.
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Hi, that is an amelanistic corn. If you breed it to a snow, and they are not both "het" for any of the same traits, you will get all amelanistics het for anerythristic.
 
thanks, are there different types of amelanistis corns like (butters?) any suggestions on what female morf I could get to breed with my male? Sorry for the dumb questions but I'm more into pythons and boas, my kids have been taking an interest in herps so Ive started buying some corns so they can have some "safe" hands on experience with herps.
 
It looks to me to be a creamsicle,You will still get amels from the snow x creamsicle breeding.
It is possible that is has butter bred into it, Some breeders do breed butter into their creamsicle lines to enhance the yellows.
 
I would have to agree that it looks like a Creamsicle. Please keep in mind that Creamsicles are Hybrids (Emoryi x Corn) and any offspring must be sold as such.

Good luck! :)
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
I would have to agree that it looks like a Creamsicle. Please keep in mind that Creamsicles are Hybrids (Emoryi x Corn) and any offspring must be sold as such.

Good luck! :)
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How many different color morphs are there for this hybrid (Emoryi x Corn)?
 
I thought that "hybrid" referred to the product offspring of two different species, and that an "intergrade" was the product offspring of two different SUB-species. So, wouldn't that make creamsicles an intergrade, not a hybrid?
 
I would have to agree that it is an intergrade.I also agree that any creamsicle should be sold as such,and any amel(Corn) should be pure corn.Many breeders are mixing the two and not selling them as emoryi intergrades.Would you like to buy an amel stripe that has creamsicle blood line in it?Maybe it's just me,but I am a corn purist.Dont get me wrong,I do have creamsicles and creamsicle stripes.They will stay that way.And thats the way it should be in my opinion.
 
PaulSage said:
I thought that "hybrid" referred to the product offspring of two different species, and that an "intergrade" was the product offspring of two different SUB-species. So, wouldn't that make creamsicles an intergrade, not a hybrid?
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P. emoryi is a different species from P. guttatus, (not exactly sure when the taxonomy changed though)

Also to lubricus....one really can't say a corn is a creamsicle just because it has a lighter color than other amelanistics...it has to have emoryi blood to be a creamsicle. Although you obviously can't go by what the seller told you, since they said it was a butter, there is really no way to know for sure. If you do breed it make sure to tell any buyers exactly what happened...that it was sold to you as a butter and obviously it's not...that you don't know what could be "in the mix".

Just like with very brightly colored reverse okeetees, many people assume right away that they are jungle corns. I've seen quite a few reverse okees that are so bright you need to wear shades to look at them! LOL. And they have no king snake blood in them.
 
O.K. hybrid it is,I originally belived emoryi was a sub species,maybe it did change?It would be easier for an emoryi do breed a corn in the wild versus say, a cal king to a corn?
 
Traci1 said:
P. emoryi is a different species from P. guttatus, (not exactly sure when the taxonomy changed though)
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I would like to know more about the taxonomy, too. I thought that corns were/are E.g.g. and the emory rats were E.g.e.

I'm not arguing the ethics of it or anything, and I agree with anyone who says that a mix of the two should be labeled/sold as such.
 
Now that's a beautiful butter thanks for sharing, Ok I could talk retics all day but corn morphs are a bit new to me, I like to blame my kids for getting me into corns, but the truth is I just like them, its funny I took home my first retic 19 years ago, and my first corn was last year lol.....PS what would I get if I bread my Male with a butter?
 
PaulSage said:
I would like to know more about the taxonomy, too. I thought that corns were/are E.g.g. and the emory rats were E.g.e.

I'm not arguing the ethics of it or anything, and I agree with anyone who says that a mix of the two should be labeled/sold as such.
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Glad to know I'm not the only one who has fallen behind all these recent (well, relatively anyway) taxanomic changes :ack2: . Not sure when, but they changed the new world? Elaphe to Pantherophis (corns and Bairds Rat), probably about the same time they changed Trans Pecos and Baja rat snakes to Bogertophis, and after they changed the Green Rat snake to Senticolis. The new world rats from Europe have remained the Elaphe. The change (from Elaphe) actually takes them back to the original or at least one of the earliest designations, Pantherophis circa 1766.
 
reptilebreeder said:
Glad to know I'm not the only one who has fallen behind all these recent (well, relatively anyway) taxanomic changes :ack2: . Not sure when, but they changed the new world? Elaphe to Pantherophis (corns and Bairds Rat), probably about the same time they changed Trans Pecos and Baja rat snakes to Bogertophis, and after they changed the Green Rat snake to Senticolis. The new world rats from Europe have remained the Elaphe. The change (from Elaphe) actually takes them back to the original or at least one of the earliest designations, Pantherophis circa 1766.
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Thanks for the info. I've been wondering what the difference was and which was more "accurate".
 
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