Info Craig Hughes (twohy4you)

[hhmoore]

I think she'd be a fool NOT to accept that offer as resolution.

And is your name Craig, or Criag?

 

[Abby]

check the tracking on my female, and the breeding on iherp.it says this was strictly zara x nostromo. she had all intentions of breeding the huffman to her.

we both should of done an agreement. but at the same time, she had two of my females and was having one in with her huffman in from 1/17 on and the other from the time she got her. there is no tracking that i can find on my female zara even being with the ivory!

Actually, you're wrong. There was tracking for the Ivory there but since they never locked (he never even attempted to) I removed the tracking - it was useless to be there.

IMHO

Take 3 of YOUR choice, and give him the remaining 2...

Thanks Michael. Although I still think I'm right, I'm going to do this. I pick my 3 and he gets the other two.

^^ the above is my business prospective, my honest opinion is SERIOUSLY? Take the 1 Huffman and consider Abby a saint for giving you the opportunity to produce an animal like that. And your threats about "bringing this to fauna" is the reason it is here don't sit there and be like " Oh I wasnt the one who posted this here" ... seriously....

Thanks again

 

[twohy4you]

craig. never tried to edit it. guess i should do that.
thanks for everyones input. well wait and see what kind of response i get.

 

[Abby]

Personally I think that without Abby's male, or her putting the time and effort into everything, Craig would have no Huffmans, so taking his choice of a male is enough.

A little story. (100% true)
I went to a local bank and applied for a loan to get a car when mine died. I told them I was going to buy a 1999 Outback from a dealership. They approved the loan.
I went to look at the car and it turned out to be in worse shape then I thought, so I decided not to get it. I went to a different dealership and looked a different car. (A Chevy something or another.)
I decided I liked it, so they faxed the bank the paperwork and I went to get the check. When I got to the bank, they said no. They said because I changed cars, the original deal was not valid and I would have to apply for the loan again.

The original deal didn't happen because of circumstances out of Abby's hands (you can't force a male snake to mate).

I say take the male and be happy.

Thanks Luke!

 

[Abby]

i didn't post it here. did i say bringing this to fauna? ya but i didn't want to. what the heck else am i suppose to do? jumping jacks because she hit the lottery off of my snake. i don't think so.

First of all, I didn't hit the lottery on YOUR snake. Your snake had ZERO to do with the outcome of what morphs the babies were. That's common sense.

I already said I'll pick my 3 and you can have the other 2.

 

[twohy4you]

THANKS LUKE. see you all in the a.m.

 

[Michael Brown]

i didn't post it here. did i say bringing this to fauna? ya but i didn't want to. what the heck else am i suppose to do? jumping jacks because she hit the lottery off of my snake. i don't think so. i am ticked off to be honest. please check out the tracking and breeding for my snakes that she had. there are pictures of an ivory and nothing but huffman breeding. therefore i feel i am entitled to my 2 pythons. oh here is a thought. i wanted a yellow belly male. she has one for sale. she new the whole time i have been wanting to male cherry bombs to have as a pet for my daughter.
LETS MAKE THIS EASY, she gives me the one male huffman and the male yellow belly she is trying to sell for 200. and we call it even since yellow bellies are what i wanted in the first place. that to me would be huge for her. and satisfy me (to were i would drop it) lets see her reply? anyone argue that this would solve a huge freaking pain in my butt on a saturday night.

That sounds incredibly fair.

 

[Shadera]

i didn't post it here. did i say bringing this to fauna? ya but i didn't want to. what the heck else am i suppose to do? jumping jacks because she hit the lottery off of my snake.

They have to actually sell for $1500 each before anyone hits the lottery.

Oh and, in case no one knew - breeder loans can ruin friendships if you don't have everything in writing and agreed to by both parties. And even then greed's got some strong pull.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

First of all, I didn't hit the lottery on YOUR snake. Your snake had ZERO to do with the outcome of what morphs the babies were. That's common sense.

I already said I'll pick my 3 and you can have the other 2.

If you want to be fair, at least give him the second pick plus whichever one you want to give him, or second pick plus the yellow belly would work out better for you.

 

[bsharrah]

Your snake had ZERO to do with the outcome of what morphs the babies were. That's common sense.

Actually, his female had EVERYTHING to do with what was produced. Unless you can guarantee the same results from any female? I call that common sense.

 

[Abby]

Actually, his female had EVERYTHING to do with what was produced. Unless you can guarantee the same results from any female? I call that common sense.

Uhh, unless you don't know... The male is the one providing the gene. The female just provided the egg. And actually I did hit 5 from him out of another 5 egg clutch so I'd say it is safe to say it was him

 

[hhmoore]

The male is what made them be Huffmans. The female is what made them Huffmans be.

You're still making this about dollar signs, Abby. It doesn't seem that Craig had much interest in Huffmans, nor is he concerned/impressed about your perception of the value of them (and before you object to my characterization of things - take a look at which one of you has been referencing the price/value....heck, you even mentioned it with relation to the yellowbellies; saying that at $100 each, you didn't care if he got an extra one.) I think his offer of accepting your yellowbelly in place of another Huffman demonstrates that pretty clearly.

 

[Abby]

The male is what made them be Huffmans. The female is what made them Huffmans be.

You're still making this about dollar signs, Abby. It doesn't seem that Craig had much interest in Huffmans, nor is he concerned/impressed about your perception of the value of them (and before you object to my characterization of things - take a look at which one of you has been referencing the price/value....heck, you even mentioned it with relation to the yellowbellies; saying that at $100 each, you didn't care if he got an extra one.) I think his offer of accepting your yellowbelly in place of another Huffman demonstrates that pretty clearly.

It isn't about dollar signs to me Harald - it's about it just not being fair at all. No matter how you slice it, he didn't put as much into this deal as I did. Effort wise, or animal wise. Also, he was excited about the Huffmans. He never expressed to me that he was bummed about the new deal at all. He seemed just as happy if not more that I was putting the Huffman with her instead.

I already said the deal I'm willing to do several posts ago.

 

[rabernet]

Shadera is absolutely correct here.

If it were my snake, normal or not I would be angry as all get out if the arrangement was changed, including the amount of babies I would be receiving.

We just finished a breeding loan with a friend. He had the female and we had the male, it was established ahead of time that we only wanted 1 snake from the breeding. We got lucky and it is a female.

The other 2 that hatched are possibly a new morph, we love our friends more than any snake and are thrilled to death that he may have found something new and different.

Give the man his 2 Huffmans, and maybe you can salvage the friendship

I'm with Laura on this. It does come across as very greedy that Abby wants to keep 4 of the Huffmans and Craig only gets one.

I have done some breeder loans with friends. I always say that ESPECIALLY with friends, it's important to get everything in writing so that there is no mis-understanding and loss of friendship as a result.

My loans spell out who is responsible for vet care if the loaned animal requires veterinary care, replacement value of the loaned animal should it die while it's at my friend's, or theirs at mine. We don't leave a single detail out so that there's NO question about responsibilities and eventual splits.

 

[bsharrah]

The male is what made them be Huffmans. The female is what made them Huffmans be.

Bingo!

 

[FosterHerpetological]

It isn't about dollar signs to me Harald - it's about it just not being fair at all. No matter how you slice it, he didn't put as much into this deal as I did. Effort wise, or animal wise. Also, he was excited about the Huffmans. He never expressed to me that he was bummed about the new deal at all. He seemed just as happy if not more that I was putting the Huffman with her instead.

I already said the deal I'm willing to do several posts ago.

True but the bolded would have been correct if the male was a Huffman or an Ivory, correct?

Its just that now since the offspring are worth more, you bring that into the equation.

 

[radera5]

People who are thinking Criag is correct here are funny.
I would guess Abby is talking values because come one....that's what MOST people are concerned with! I get it, maybe Criag is the exception here and just REALLY wants a YB but regardless, he should have taken the other Huffman, put it for sale, and bought a breedable YB if he wanted!

I also don't understand how value doesn't change anything.....
Say I do work on a "friends" house and he is going to pay me with 2,3, hell even 4 mopeds (motorized bike things lol), then when all the work is done he says he can only give me one Mercedes.....why be pissed. This all literally seems that obvious to me.

I also agree that this appeared to be more of a favor. Abby surly could have bought a breedable normal girl! I would be too happy if I lent out a normal to be bred with a Pastel, but it ended up being put with a Super Pastel ....or a Bee

This is all ridiculous! Good luck to the both of you though

 

[Abby]

People who are thinking Criag is correct here are funny.
I would guess Abby is talking values because come one....that's what MOST people are concerned with! I get it, maybe Criag is the exception here and just REALLY wants a YB but regardless, he should have taken the other Huffman, put it for sale, and bought a breedable YB if he wanted!

I also don't understand how value doesn't change anything.....
Say I do work on a "friends" house and he is going to pay me with 2,3, hell even 4 mopeds (motorized bike things lol), then when all the work is done he says he can only give me one Mercedes.....why be pissed. This all literally seems that obvious to me.

I also agree that this appeared to be more of a favor. Abby surly could have bought a breedable normal girl! I would be too happy if I lent out a normal to be bred with a Pastel, but it ended up being put with a Super Pastel ....or a Bee

This is all ridiculous! Good luck to the both of you though

THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

What if this was a deal where the male was worth 20,000$ and the female was a normal? I'm sure all of you saying I'm wrong here wouldn't be so quick to give 2 of those snakes over for a measly loan of a normal female. Yes, it was a favor. I could have bought as many normals as I wanted but knew he had no males so bred his for him. Give me a break already.

I've already said he can have two of them to cut the drama, so this is done in my book

 

[hhmoore]

Not agreeing with you is not the same as not getting it, Abby. I'm quite certain that the majority of us (if not ALL of us) understand your rationale....

 

[rabernet]

THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

What if this was a deal where the male was worth 20,000$ and the female was a normal? I'm sure all of you saying I'm wrong here wouldn't be so quick to give 2 of those snakes over for a measly loan of a normal female. Yes, it was a favor. I could have bought as many normals as I wanted but knew he had no males so bred his for him. Give me a break already.

I've already said he can have two of them to cut the drama, so this is done in my book

Then I would have made darn sure that my friend understood that the terms of the original agreement had changed, and made sure we were both on the same page before I started pairing. If I thought that his/her reply was vague, then I would again get in writing what the new agreement would be.

In the end, it boils down to what's more important to you. The split or the friendship. I think you made a good choice to let him have two of the five. I hope for both of you that your friendship remains intact once all is said and done.