Crazy Cresties - Wendy Childs - Ali Haines- BAD GUYS!!!!!!!!

[USAGECKOS]

Ok, so here's the deal. I bought a Male Red Crested from Crazy Cresties. I talked to Wendy on the phone for over an hour one night and she seemed like a straight up person. Before I talked to her, I had no idea who she was. After I hung up with her, I knew I recognized her name from somewhere, and figured it out later on.

But, I decided to buy the Crested anyways. A lot of people knock her for her personal life "Choices" but I could care less about that.

Anyway. The night before she was sending the gecko she emailed me and said he looked a little tan that night and he was probably going through a shed. She said he should be back to normal in no time.

Well, I got him and he was brown, not tan, but brown. I emailed her right away and she said to give him some time to color up. She told me that she would "Fix It" if he didn't color up.

She sent him to me on Oct 23,2006. A few days later I emailed her because he was still brown, never turned red at all. She sent me this email

Hmmm, he was doing that to me too. His sisters have done that as well. Both the logo girls are related directly. I atattched pics. It seems to be just part of their growing phase they go through. He was better at turning on and off more often than that though.

On Nov 5 I sent her this email:

Hey Wendy,

He still isn't turning red, still that ugly brown color. It has been about 2 weeks, and I haven't seen a change in him, so I would like to send him back. Especially, before it gets too cold to ship in my area. I was really hoping he would turn red, he would have been a good match.

Let me know how you want to do this.

Thanks,

Jeanne

Wendy all this time was emailing me using the email address: Jeane BEST" <[email protected]>

Now, all of a sudden her mother starts emailing me.

I would really like to see a pic of the dragon that you reciecved. I need it so I can compare dragons. Could you take a pic and send it to me? It's possible that he is just in shed mode. My really colorful dragons look like dirt for several weeks before they shed. I can guarentee you that your dragon is a colored one as I don't have any normals. All of my breeders are high color.

I told her that I was trying to reach Wendy, because I was emailing about a crested, so her mother again emails me:

If it is a baby, the reds look kind of brown when not fired up. Try spraying the gecko with warm water at night. That's what Wendy does to get hers to fire up. I will let her know.

Now her mothers tells me she has been away for a few days and for me to email her at her other email address. so I did. Wendy finally emails me on Nov 8.

hey honey, I just got this. Am in trhe middle of moving. Will email you tonight later

3 more days go by, no email from her, so I emailed her again. In these 3 days she had plenty of time to post new ads on Kingsnake but not answer my email. These emails went on until Nov 21, her emailing me every so often, she sent me a few pictures of some baby cresteds that she wanted to send me in place of him, but I bought an adult Male Red Crested and didn't want any babies. Her last 2 emailes to me were 7 days apart, by that time I was so tired of this deal. I hadn't heard from her in 7 days, so, on Nov 27 I emailed her this:

Wendy,

Please email me back, I want to finish this, I haven't heard from you in a while. It will be too cold to ship him back you soon, so please email the label ASAP so I can send him back for a refund.

This will be the last time I email you, I am actually very tired of this, and want this to be over with, and get my money back so I can find another male for her.

Jeanne

Then on Nov 29, I hadn't heard from Wendy in about a week, I get this email:

Hi Jeanne, my name is Ali and I am taking over Wendy's business for the time being. It sounds from reading the emails that there is an indescretion and you are owed some money. Please email me the details. I will be seeing her monday afternoon and will bring it up to her then. I will make sure you wont be overlooked and these issues will be addressed. thank you for your patience with this matter, I hope you will still consider doing business with me in the future.

Here are all the emails except for one, the one stating that I got the label, I can't find it. The emails are from the bottom up.

Please make sure that it is for the full amount with shipping both ways, $208.88

Thanks!

wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
He's fine. Will get a MO in the mail to you tomorrow.


Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:
HI Ali,

You should have received the Cresteds by now. How is he?


Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:

Ali,

Please send me your phone # and a good time to call, so I can call you about the Gecko-Refund.

Thanks,

Jeanne


Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:

Ali,

I just got back from the post office from shipping the Crested back to you, I know you already know this, but that label wasn't prepaid like it was supposed to be, I had to pay $18.88. I hope that you plan to refund that as well, I shouldn't have to pay to return the Gecko.

He should arrive tomorrow by 3:00 PM your time, once you receive him you can rund my money ($208.88) to my paypal account which is the same as my email address, please use the refund button from when I sent Wendy the money so I don't get hit with Paypal fees. I will expect to have it in my account on Wednesday morning.

Thanks,

Jeanne



wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes any day next week (aside from friday) will suffice, the earlier the better. I am truly sorry for your misfortune in this ordeal and hope you don't have such poor dealings in the future as you feel you have in this case. please just check the weather before sending,and email me to let me know what time to expect the package.

Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote: Ali,

I am sorry to be taking it out on you, but you took over "Crazy Cresties", and that is who I am angry with. There were even times when Wendy's mother would email me, so I have had to deal with 3 different people over 1 Crested.

How do you think I could have sent him back? Pay it out of my own pocket? Why should I have to do that? I bought a "Red" crested from "Crazy Cresties", for all I know you could be Wendy, from what I have heard she has changed her name in the past.

All I want right now is to know when you want me to ship the Crested back so I can get my refund? I can ship him out any day next week.

Thanks,

Jeanne

wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
Please look at when that envelope is postage marked for because I sent it out ( with my roommate who works at the post office) on thursday of last week. I understand you are frustrated, but I really have nothing to do with your frustrations, it is wendy whom you should be angry with not I. I have not done anything wrong as of yet and you are sure quick to make threats and get Po'd at me. You could have sent this crestie back at any point prior to now, the delay is not my fault. I put a manilla envelope in the mail a week ago ( and have never emailed someone a postage sticker, though I guess you live and learn, not something to condemn me for) and have promised to pay you out of my pocket to do right by you. If you think I should have handled anything differently please do tell.




Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:

Ali,

I have emailed you twice this week and have yet to hear back from you, and I still haven't received my label. I am now beginning to believe that you lied to me, that you aren't really going to fix this.

I am giving you until tomorrow to get back to me, and I will want the label emailed to me instead of shipped (Wendy had already told me that she could do that so I don't see why you can't), if this isn't done, then I will be posting a "Bad Guy" thread about Wendy and you on the B.O.I. and Geckoforums.net.

I am seriously DONE with this fiasco; this has been THE worst experience for the 6 years that I have been keeping Reptiles.

Jeanne


Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Pics
To: [email protected]

Did you send out the label yet?

Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote: I have a good idea of where she is.

wendy child <[email protected]> wrote: I meant if you had a Red male like you wanted in the first place, you would have a pregnant Red mama....if that was in fact your intentions??
Wendy will be back in two years or so and regain her part in her business but in the meantime I will be running it. I can't really say anymore....but I'm sure you can use your imagination. I am trying to make good on all her wrong doing and she and I will most likely part ways when she returns....for she rarely admits she is wrong and wont like the fact that I returned peoples money ect. but if she wants me to run this business for her I am not going to do it any other way than the honest way and she can hate me all she wants for it.I have even just changed the website in the last hour if you want to look at it ...I haven't looked at the pic of # 15 yet,but will do right after I send this to you.....
http://freewebs.com/crazycresties


Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,

Are you taking over her business for ever? After all of this is over, and I have my refund, I will let people know that you took care of things and made things right. Just a side note, you may want to change the name of the business if you are taking it over for good.

Also, What do you mean, I may have a pregnant red mama? I didn't breed him to my female.


The address to ship the label to is (My work address):

Deleted

P.S. Just so you kow why I am sending him back.

This is the Crested I ordered:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/USAGeckos/Cresteds/Male3.jpg

This is what I got, I have had him for proaby 6 weeks, and he hasn't turned even a slight red since, he is always brown:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/USAGeckos/Cresteds/PA260517.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/USAGeckos/Cresteds/PA260521.jpg



wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Jeanne
I know wendy's reputation is,....well to put it lightly not the best. I have alot to prove and alot of tracks to cover....,appologies to make, ect, And to you I am also sorry. I do not have any foul intentions and understand your dilema and frustration.I only wish it were I you were dealing witht to begin with and we would not be emailing each other right now (not to mention you may have a pregnant red mamma).I promise you will get your refund once I have recieved the little brown guy I know wendy probably has your address somewhere but it would be faster if you just sent it to me again so I can get the postage sticker to you. thanks again for being understanding to ME and that I am not the one who put you through all this. (feel free to spread the word,if you know other people who have heard about wendys poor reputation,that she is no longer the one running things.of course I understand if you don't.....just thought I would ask)
Ali

Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,

I understand. And, I hope you understand that I am very angry at this whole deal. If Wendy wouldn't have taken so long to do what she said she would, I would have been able to send him back sooner when the weather was warmer, and would have been able to find another male and have him shipped. Now because this has taken so long, I am basically screwed. By the time I send him back, and get my refund, it will be too cold to find another male and have him shipped. Now, I have a beautiful girl and nothing to breed her to.

And, I am also worried that once I send him back, I won't get my refund, but, hopefully I am worrying for no reason and you will do the right thing. I have a flawless reputation, unfortunately yours, well Wendy's is not. I was the one taking the risk buying the male, I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and I am now the one taking the risk in sending him back with only your word that I will get a refund.

Please send me the label, and when it is warm enough I will send him back. I do have proper boxes and heat packs, I don't need any from you, but Thank You for the offer.

Jeanne

wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
I should have worded my last reply differently,I do have to send you the shipping papers,then once he's shipped I will send you the refund.I made it sound as though it would happen the other way around, I'm afraid I have refunded money before recieving animals in the past,never to see the animal again,I know you must understand.I will get you the Shipping label(prepaid) but I must warn you that the weather here is in the teens,averaging 12 degrees f. This is much too cold to be shipping live geckos ect.and if you do decide to ship now reguardless and he arrives dead, it will be against my advisory and you will recieve no refund. I have told all potentail buyers I am hoping for the weather to lighten up by monday but there is no guaratees. (I have another man waiting for me to send him a gecko,but he understands it is not safe to do so now.) another thing I meant to mention was if you do not have appropriate shipping equipment and a heat pack i will send you those as well .please let me know.

Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote: Ali,

Yes, that sounds reasonable. I paid $190 for him.

Thanks,

Jeanne

wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
Ok,I know we don't have any reds for sale that are old enough to determine sex. how much did you pay and i will refund your money and send you the shipping form (to ship him back) after i see her monday...does that sound reasonable??
thanks,
Ali

Jeanne R Leary <[email protected]> wrote:
Here it is in a nut shell, I was supposed to get a Male Crested that was red, but when I got him, he was brown, I have had him about 6 weeks or more, and he is still Brown. Wendy, said when I got him that if he didn't color up that she would fix it. She tried to find another male for me, but she doesn't have any. Now, I just want to send him back for a refund.



wendy child <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jeanne, my name is Ali and I am taking over Wendy's business for the time being. It sounds from reading the emails that there is an indescretion and you are owed some money. Please email me the details. I will be seeing her monday afternoon and will bring it up to her then. I will make sure you wont be overlooked and these issues will be addressed. thank you for your patience with this matter, I hope you will still consider doing business with me in the future.
Ali

Today I get the Money order, it is only for the Crested Gecko, not the money I paid to have him shipped to me, or the money I paid to ship him back. He sent a long letter with the refund, I am going to try to get my scanner to work so I can attach it. But, here is what it says:

"Jeanne-
When one purchases anything from anyone whether it be a TV infomercial or online business ect. and the purchaser is unhappy with the product and wants a refund- They receive a refund for the item purchased. Everone knows that. I am fulfilling my obligation to you and refunding your money spent on the animal. I would not be asking you to pay for shipping if our roles were reversed. I am sorry for our differences on this matter. Please note the business you made this transaction with no longer exists -I could have told you that & left it at that.

Good luck with your future endeavors."

If you look at one of his emails it even says that the label she will be sending me would be Prepaid. (It is in bold above)

These people - Wendy Childs and Ali Haines (If Ali even exists, I am still not convinced that it wasn't Wendy this whole time) should NOT be in business!


In short, I paid $190 Shipped for a Red Male Crested. Received a Brown Male Crested. Had to wait 2 MONTHS for anyone to do anything about it. And in the end they got the Crested back, and I am out $58.88 with NOTHING to show for it.

I still have all (Or almost all) emails between me and Crazy Cresties. I would post them, but it would take up WAY too much space, if anyone wants them let me know.

Here is the Crested I ordered:

Here is the Crested I got:

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

"Wendy will be back in two years or so and regain her part in her business"

*rollseyes* LAME

Im sorry you dealt with such crap... who DIDNT know this was going to happen!? Raise your hand!

 

[SPJ]

who DIDNT know this was going to happen!? Raise your hand!

Jim, where are you?

 

[USAGECKOS]

Jim, where are you?

I'm sure he will be here to defend them soon.

I have already emailed Crazy Cresties, so they are aware of this thread.

Ali says "The business you made this transaction with no longer exists"

Anyone know what name they are going by now?

 

[Rebel Dragons]

The geckos in the pictures look the same to me, JMHO. Seems like a case of "let's screw with the pictures to make the animal look better".

 

[Scott Ashton]

The markings on the two animals appear to me to be near identical. So if there wasn't a bait and switch the question becomes one of whether or there was photographic manipulation.

The biggest red flag to me here is the last minute email indicating that there was a change in coloration.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

The markings on the two animals appear to me to be near identical. So if there wasn't a bait and switch the question becomes one of whether or there was photographic manipulation.

The biggest red flag to me here is the last minute email indicating that there was a change in coloration.

Agreed, The animals are both one and the same, But The first photo looks as if maybe the flash was partly covered so as to give the animal a redder Hue. This would explain it at least...

 

[Jim O]

Jim, where are you?

I'm here but you certainly wouldn't mean me. Must be some other *cough* Jim who regularly defends this scam artist.


Jeanne,

Consider it a lesson in dealing with people who are less than honorable all the way around that you only lost on the shipping. Others have had it worse dealing with this particular bit of flotsam floating in the sea of reptile dealers.

The geckos in the pictures look the same to me, JMHO. Seems like a case of "let's screw with the pictures to make the animal look better".

Without a doubt it's the same animal and the photo and/or the lighting was manipulated to change its appearance.

 

[Otter_23]

Hmm how does that old adage about changing spots thing go? or maybe it's the company you keep or something.

I hope all you naysayers are getting ready to eat those words chomp chomp.

 

[ravensgait]

LOL Mark, well if you guys were just not so negative when it comes to these misunderstood and mistreated ladies from Idaho. They are just em' ah: honest business people: that's it, who seem to just sell to people who are out to get them!!! Why can't you just leave them alone so they can Make their Way the only Way they know how!!

Wow that blows think I'll go shoot myself now!! LMAO sorry guys couldn't help myself. Randy

 

[garweft]

Man I'm glad I've never bought anything from Crazy Cresties. I got lucky and found a few reputable breeders. Let me see who was that one again...hmmm...oh yea it was you Jeanne! I bought 3 harley cresteds that turned out to be 2:1, and the girl just recently started to breed with a red harley male.

I guess it was nice that they sent you a gecko that was actually alive and healthy. Some people weren't even that lucky. There just bad people to deal with and cannot be trusted to accurately represent their animals. Anyway, good luck with finding a nice red male for that girl.

 

[shrap]

I was shocked when I originally seen you bought from the in the first place Jeanne. I knew it was going to end bad for you, it always does with those people. They are true scumbags.

At any rate I am truly sorry you had to go through this. You are one of the truly good people in this industry and it always bothers me when I see this crap happen to someone I have endless respect for.

 

[EriksReptiles]

Hey Jeanne. Sorry you had to go through all that... Hopefully everything turns out for the best for you!

PS: Where is she going to be for 2 years? Is it prison?? Just a guess.

Thanks Erik

 

[Wilomn]

Who was that guy....the one who asked me, in not to pleasant terms no less, if I was looking for conspiracies under my bed or couch or some other piece of furniture?

There's a BIG ol plate of CROW here with your name alllllll over it.

Normally I'm not one to say I told you so, but this time I'll make an exception.

 

[Griz]

Jim, where are you?

Jim? Oh, you mean Shrillomn. Yup, he should be here soon enough!

Yet another time Wes where your conspiracy theories were way off base..........

Griz
Griz

 

[Cat_72]

As much as I was hoping that this wouldn't happen, I can't say I'm surprised. Sorry to hear you decided to give these folks a chance and got the short end of the deal for doing so....

So much for that "Everything is just as Ali says it is" line, huh?

 

[Cat_72]

A link for those who haven't seen the "other" thread claiming that Crazy Cresties no longer was onwed, nor had anything to do with Jeanne and Wendy....

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91554&page=1&pp=5

 

[cofeenan]

you are a fool !

hey guy, the BOI is FULL of negative feedback on wendy. You chose to ignore it . Why ? Because of her lifestyle ? I have no idea what her lifestylre is, and I don't care. It would have no impact on my business decisions. Obviously it had an impact on your decision to do business with her, despite mounds of evidence that they are bad people to deal with. You got what you deserve. Chris Feenan

 

[Cat_72]

hey guy, the BOI is FULL of negative feedback on wendy. You chose to ignore it . Why ? Because of her lifestyle ? I have no idea what her lifestylre is, and I don't care. It would have no impact on my business decisions. Obviously it had an impact on your decision to do business with her, despite mounds of evidence that they are bad people to deal with. You got what you deserve. Chris Feenan

Eh, did you miss the fact that the business was supposed to have a new owner?

And NO ONE deserves to be scammed, except scammers themselves. Jeanne is an honest person who gave someone a chance....albeit a chance I would not have taken, she most definitely did not "deserve" to be scammed.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Eh, did you miss the fact that the business was supposed to have a new owner?

And NO ONE deserves to be scammed, except scammers themselves. Jeanne is an honest person who gave someone a chance....albeit a chance I would not have taken, she most definitely did not "deserve" to be scammed.

I agree, theres no need to chastise Jeanne for this, when she believed that there was a new owner. one who "Promised" To turn things around. Obviously they havent though.... quite sad really and it sucks she has to be the first one to post this thread.