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Crazy Cresties - Wendy Childs - Ali Haines- BAD GUYS!!!!!!!!

DThomas said:
TOS goes out the window when an animal is mis-represented. How in the hell can you expect someone to eat ANY cost on a mis-represented animal? Jeane was NOT sent what she paid for. That animal is BROWN, not RED. She should not have to shoulder the burden of any cost and is due a complete refund of all monies paid. It is not a case of buyer remorse or "not quite what I expected." She was lied to and sent a doctored photo to dupe her into buying an inferior animal.
DING DING DING! Dennis, your super-ness is showing :thumbsup:


I don't really see the point in trying to figure out how the business was (if it was) transferred and what the details and all of that were. I'd guess that far more thought is being put into it NOW after the fact than was done prior to the introduction of Ali anyway. Honestly, who cares? What matters is that it's the same old line of crap from these people and unless you feel like pissing away some free time and cash, just avoid these "BAD GUYS". The proof is in the bull :censored: !
 
Dennis and Paul,

Originally Posted by DThomas
TOS goes out the window when an animal is mis-represented. How in the hell can you expect someone to eat ANY cost on a mis-represented animal? Jeane was NOT sent what she paid for. That animal is BROWN, not RED. She should not have to shoulder the burden of any cost and is due a complete refund of all monies paid. It is not a case of buyer remorse or "not quite what I expected." She was lied to and sent a doctored photo to dupe her into buying an inferior animal.

Nice argument for Wendy to face, but she is gone. With the money. So Jeanne is owed ! BFD ! Ali owed nothing to Jeanne, and yet she did more than most would. Is that so hard to understand ? Even if the gecko was spray-painted ? So Jeanne can petition the Washington State Department of Corrections to have Wendy's daily check garnished ? What is that, $2 a week before taxes? I am all for that Dennis !!

BTW, I am owed lots of money for great reasons. No one is stepping up to the plate for me. Not 80 cents on the dollar. Not even 10. But I'm owed, damnit ! I'm owed !!
 
Chameleon Company said:
Let me suggest that the time-lines for the quotes could fit into an evolving scenario that make all statements truthful at the time spoken, or correct enough for whatever abbreviated explanation was owed. She wasn't under oath, or even owing of an explanation. You do not have the facts to substantiate your last sentance. Nor do I. I guess it matters to you, or perhaps you feel that Ali owes an explanation for something that has no practical merit. I'm trying not to laugh, but is this like Gotti or Capone running the mob from their cells ? 10-20 geckos in her Mom's house. Wendy is doing 43 months in the big house. :rolleyes:

Know what? Ali ponied up the money. In my book, that's where the rubber met the road. Dwell on that.

Alicia, take a break.

Ali posted in the other thread in reference to this transaction, which lends to the fact that she stated some discrepancy, as has been pointed out.
12-03-2006, 12:01 AM
shouldn't have said I had NO idea of wendy's reputation as I got the idea there were SOME indescretions,recieving some emails ect (which by the by I <repeat I> am refunding money out of MY pocket to a disgruntled customer
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
From email
endy will be back in two years or so and regain her part in her business
 
Chameleon Company said:
Let me suggest that the time-lines for the quotes could fit into an evolving scenario that make all statements truthful at the time spoken, or correct enough for whatever abbreviated explanation was owed. She wasn't under oath, or even owing of an explanation. You do not have the facts to substantiate your last sentance. Nor do I. I guess it matters to you, or perhaps you feel that Ali owes an explanation for something that has no practical merit. I'm trying not to laugh, but is this like Gotti or Capone running the mob from their cells ? 10-20 geckos in her Mom's house. Wendy is doing 43 months in the big house. :rolleyes:

Know what? Ali ponied up the money. In my book, that's where the rubber met the road. Dwell on that.

Alicia, take a break.

Ali posted in the other thread in reference to this transaction, which lends to the fact that she stated some discrepancy, as has been pointed out.
12-03-2006, 12:01 AM
shouldn't have said I had NO idea of wendy's reputation as I got the idea there were SOME indescretions,recieving some emails ect (which by the by I <repeat I> am refunding money out of MY pocket to a disgruntled customer
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
From email
endy will be back in two years or so and regain her part in her business

Is it enough to state this person is deceitful?

Let’s put it in context as it relates to people here, in our community. We don’t have the ability meet most that we will conduct business with online. We have to rely on reputation, past experiences and what we see transpire. It is true that many of us become jaded (myself included) over time when we see certain types of posts that send up red flags. Sometimes, we might jump to quickly but a lot of time, at least in my opinion, they are called correctly. Even though I sent a few shoots back and forth with you on the “under new management” thread I didn’t post an opinion on the topic until there was some inconsistencies.

What each individual has to determine is the threshold that you will use to decide to do business with someone.

On one hand, you could have a position such as Neil G. who often states that anyone sending funds to any person without personal knowledge and/or association with them is foolish. For those of us that continue buying and or selling to this community we have to decide at what point are we willing to waiver in sending our funds or animals to someone else.

In Ali’s first post

Originally Posted by CrestieGeckoMan
Hi, my name is Ali and I am now running the Crazy Cresties Company. I know there has been some indescrestions under it's former owner Wendy. I hope to redeem the business and show that there will be nothing but honest dealings from this day forth and hope to regain lost clients' trust. I know I have my work cut out for me, but I will do my best to prove to diusgruntled customers I am of my word and you will get excellent service. If you have any questions please email me @

She pointed out that she would prove that she would keep her word.
I summit, that even if it were a misstep to include in her email that she would send a prepaid shipping label, she should know that it should be honored.
She didn’t. Instead, afterwards she falls back on this quote.

Quote:
The business you made this transaction with no longer exists.

After stating, she had “purchased” the business as well as emailed Jeanne
Quote:Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:41:27 -0800
Wendy will be back in two years or so and regain her part in her business
Quote:12-02-2006, 11:38 PM
I bought all of the stock and animals from Wendy and Jason childs. I was given permission to keep the name and use the current online classified accounts until I had a new company name and website(ect) setup

I think any reasonable person would question the honesty.
I chose not to purchase from people who may leave me in a bad situation if something goes wrong during the transaction.

The information should be valued in a BOI post. Others should be able to view a form their opinions as well.
 
I've got some advice for Ali, if she's reading these posts, R U N. Get of of the gecko business. If you're just holding the fort for Wendy it isn't worth it, close the thing down. If you're just starting out a new business step back and learn a lot more before you continue(under a new name). Sell what you have to Jean(Wendy's mother), or someone local, and go back to what you were doing before you took on this mess. You don't need these headaches for what little you're going to get out of it.
 
Chameleon Company said:
More importantly, no "terms" were violated. No deal had been done. FYI, the terms for Crazy Cresties did not include vendor paying for return shipping. Those were the TOS in place at time of purchase.

You have got to be kidding me; you jumped into Derek's ass with both feet about "hiding behind his T.O.S." in the original thread that exposed Wendy for what she truly is, and now you have the balls to throw that out here? Got hypocrisy?
:rolleyes:
 
Gecko_Den said:
You have got to be kidding me; you jumped into Derek's ass with both feet about "hiding behind his T.O.S." in the original thread that exposed Wendy for what she truly is, and now you have the balls to throw that out here? Got hypocrisy?
:rolleyes:

Considering the source, it is par for the course. It is everything I have come to expect.
 
Dennis, once again you have proven some great points. It says I must spread some karma around before I can give you more. :rolleyes:

Jim, you need to stop looking in a haze. It is what it is, nothing more. Crazy Cresties still belongs to Wendy Childs AKA Spokane lizard lady and Ali Haines attempted to blow a smoke screen.

Ali, no one bought it. We are not impressed. :NoNo: So the truth would be, you are running the company for Windy, True?
 
Dennis Hultman said:
I had a lot to comment on with these two quotes, but I think it best they stand alone without comment. *post deleted*
Wow Jim you have really reduced yourself to the lowest common denominator.
 
shucks it didn't quote Jim's well thought out stance and since he is on ignore I can't requote them.
 
Sammy, Dave, and whomever else ..
Let USA go after Wendy then. I believe she is in a known location. Maybe it would have been better if Ali had just told Jeanne "You bought from Wendy. She got your money. Here's her address with the Department of Corrections". Dave, that I am owed money was sarcasm, highlighting that Jeanne was fortunate to be able to recover most of her funds in this case, due to the goodwill of Ali. I will label it such next time to avoid confusion. :rolleyes:

Bobby,
You seem to be in a haze about the "facts" regarding an unincorporated business, etc. Nothing was registered, and it never is in such businesses. The name is not owned, etc. I suppose that such a legal understanding would also include copywrite issues, to include inventing such, misrepresentation scams, etc. Seems you want it both ways there. Ali did Jeanne a favor. No good deed goes unpunished ?
 
Jim F the whole problem with your premise is that according to Ali she is just running the business for Wendy. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Jim F the whole problem with your premise is that according to Ali she is just running the business for Wendy. Randy

:iagree:


Jim, you are right, it is not a registered business. It is a scam run by scammers. And Ali admitted it is still Wendy's, thus lying to this board about buying it.

Unless you call this the act of a good guy :rolleyes: , I think not!!

Jim, sometimes I wonder how you get that some of the people are good, there is nothing good about deception.
 
DThomas said:
TOS goes out the window when an animal is mis-represented. How in the hell can you expect someone to eat ANY cost on a mis-represented animal? Jeane was NOT sent what she paid for. That animal is BROWN, not RED. She should not have to shoulder the burden of any cost and is due a complete refund of all monies paid. It is not a case of buyer remorse or "not quite what I expected." She was lied to and sent a doctored photo to dupe her into buying an inferior animal.

Thank You! I couldn't have said it better myself.


DThomas said:
With these contraditions, I am not convinced that Ali's introductory post was nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Escpecially considering she has not posted in quite sometime to address this discrepency.

DThomas said:
As it stands, only one can be the truth. Either Ali lied in her introductory post or she lied to Jeane about being nothing more than Wendy's flunky. Either way, she lied.
.

Exactly
 
Bobby,
If your position is that your assumptions are better than mine, I don't care. You want to pop out of the blue and tell me that I am in a haze because you hold a different opinion. OK. Right. While we both have to draw conclusions as neither of us have all the facts, I have quite a few regarding this. While I cannot and will not post all here, etc, here's the context in which your assumptions, and mine, stand. Most of this info can be pieced together from all the other threads anyway.

1) Jeane Best had a thriving beardie business (part time), as she is a life long employee of the USPS. She had many good customers, some quite large.

2) After a tumultuous all-over-the-spectrum 15 years, daughter Wendy is back in the home, and helps Mom expand the business. Some things go well.

3) Within a year things are getting real bad. Wendy also gets into very serious legal trouble.

4) Mother removes daughter from the "business" after much damage has been done, and Wendy creates her new entity, still living in her Mom's house, with a few animals. She has this business for about 3 months before its off to jail.

5) Mom cannot manage Wendy's geckos. Doesn't want to. Ali naively steps in a month prior, probably thinking she is taking over a viable thing with no baggage. Surprise.

6) Wendy owes everyone close to her, and probably more customers, money. The geckos are not worth 10% of what we are talking about. Jeane Best never ripped anyone off. No one is perfect, but she hasn't scammed anyone. Neither did Ali. They are still finding out new problems weekly.

There's nothing for Wendy to run, and she is doing real hard time. I am assuming that Jeane and Ali are struggling to use whatever income can be generated from the geckos to pay these debts. Under these circumstances, you can claim it as being like Gotti running his mob from his cell while he was alive ,if it jizzes things up to suit you. Wendy has no say in what's going on as Ali and Jeane try to pick up the pieces they have left.

Finally Bobby, as I do respect you, I like to believe that I have a track record of not expecting higher standards of anyone than I expect of myself. Unlike many here, I am exceedingly hesitant to make impugning assumptions without the facts, otherwise known as the "benefit of the doubt". Ali paid USA what many others would have paid, excluding the shipping as most do. That's the fact. We have two major and regular posters in this thread who have lied through their teeth in other very recent threads, and were caught. Another seemed to have erroneously claimed a "trademark", as well as the related genetics in their animals. They can hurl the stones though ! Ali would have fared far better in my view, if she had just said "I don't have your money. Wendy is in jail. She left no contingency fund in escrow. Whatever little is left here is mine, or owed to people way ahead of you on the list, and they won't be paid either. Sorry".

Let the trolls throw around their garbage Bobby. If you have further questions, you have my number. This ain't worth it. Take care.
 
Hey Mike Greathouse, guess what's coming? I'm not ragging on YOU Mike, just having some fun at chumpco's well deserved expense.

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Good catch Sam. I was hoping someone would bring that up. It was noticed by some quite some time ago.

An unexpected bonus of this thread, the continuing meltdown of one of the chumpiest twofaciest maroons to ever post on fauna.
 
Chameleon Company: Ali naively steps in a month prior, probably thinking she is taking over a viable thing with no baggage. Surprise

This is yet to be proven. Just how naive is Ali? You want me to think she is/has been working with Wendy's mother, but has no clue of whats been done by Wendy? She just walked in to clean up Wendy's mess? This makes little sense to me. Why would she?

Chameleon Company: There's nothing for Wendy to run, and she is doing real hard time. I am assuming that Jeane and Ali are struggling to use whatever income can be generated from the geckos to pay these debts. Under these circumstances, you can claim it as being like Gotti running his mob from his cell while he was alive ,if it jizzes things up to suit you. Wendy has no say in what's going on as Ali and Jeane try to pick up the pieces they have left.

And you are saying this scam/ business will not go back to Wendy after her stay in the pen? Also, none of the funds collected will be forwarded to her in prison? Or, her having any say so in the matter of how it is ran now.

Last time I checked, they do infact have access to computers in the pen.

IMO, it would be a real high risk to deal with any of the above. JMHO!!
 
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