Crazy Cresties - Wendy Childs - Ali Haines- BAD GUYS!!!!!!!!

[Wilomn]

Seeing the above post, including chumpco's quotes, I must wonder.

HOW does chumpco KNOW so much about wendy and her business, her access, or lack thereof to funds, whether or not she has any sayso in the running of the business whilst she's on vacation, how he knows that jean and ali are struggling for money, just how he KNOWS SO VERY MUCH ABOUT ALL ASPECTS OF ANYTHING REGARDING THE SLUTS AND THOSE ASSociated with them?

Kinda makes me go hmmmmmmm......how could that be?

 

[USAGECKOS]

Just so everyone knows, it seams they are now posting ads under Jeane's account on Kingsnake, Dragon Lady 99212.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=31&de=467913

 

[Otter_23]

What I'm confused I thought she sold all the cresteds to Ali? I thought mom was just selling misrepresented dragons. I sure there is an reasonable explanation .

 

[Otter_23]

I'm sure

 

[Chameleon Company]

Bobby,
I can certainly respect this opinion by you:

IMO, it would be a real high risk to deal with any of the above. JMHO

I don't have to tell you that you are "living in a haze" if the above is what you think as some means of substantiating my opinion while diminishing yours. As to the other possibilities, if the business were not sitting atop a pile of debt, who knows. I do know more which bolsters my conclusions, but it is not the business of this Forum. My understanding would be that communications are very limited from the big house. Jeanne's (USA) situation serves as one example of a "mess" that was not bargained for by Ali. I think you can safely assume there are more, and that with each new one, the situation will "adjust".

Jeanne (USA), I do not know you, and pretty much only have what is here. You and Dave seem hung on this "lie". For whatever reason, its high on your radar, and lower on others. As it was immaterial to the solution and refund, I can see it as you being blown off that day, and additionally innacurate as Wendy may very well not be out in 24 months. I guess that's "two lies for the price of one". As I refered to earlier, I understand that there was a lot of "testiness" and threats between you and Ali regarding your demands. I mentioned this earlier, but it was not addressed by you. My statement was that I saw the facts as being that if you were not refunded the additional $58, you said you would go to the BOI and trash Ali. You were not the former, and you did the latter. If the above is not true, could you correct me? Thank you.

If it is true, based on my opinion that Ali did not legally owe you anything, and that of several others here, my opinion would be that you are an extortionist. If there is any ethical motivation to have come here and posted for the greater good and awareness of the reptile community, then I can also conclude that your ethics can be bought for $58. It sounds a bit harsh, does it not, but they are far smaller leaps than much of what I am reading here. Its also immaterial in most ways, as quite a few other things posted here are. Sorry to interrupt the fun otherwise. Enjoy your holiday !

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Ali paid USA what many others would have paid, excluding the shipping as most do. That's the fact.

The Fact is actually, Ali said she would send a PRE Paid Shipping label. She did not. and Jeane had to pay for the shipping back. If you Say you are going to send a prepaid shipping label. You do it. I dont care who you are.
She did not, and so she owes the shipping to jeane as well.

While its all well and good that she gave jeane some money i see that as the ONE positive thing shes done so far, she still owes her a fair amount of cash. While that kind of money might not seem like alot in most peoples eyes. Its still money that is owed. money that could have very well gone towards another animal/bills/feeding/supplies whatever.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

If it is true, based on my opinion that Ali did not legally owe you anything, and that of several others here, my opinion would be that you are an extortionist.

if Ali did not owe her anything at all, she should never have accepted taking the gecko back. While i can see that sense and im sure others can too, she did in the end, accept the gecko back.

Since she accepted, she is responsible for it, and it is now her business, not wendys anymore. ( of course if ali is running it FOR wendy until she gets back thats a whole different story now isnt it? )

 

[Chameleon Company]

Alicia, that was addressed earlier. My point was that it was a part of the negotiation, and things said in negotiation go on and off the table all the time. As other demands evolved, it was removed from the offer. It would have been nice had Alicia not said it, or made good on it, but many things transpired here by both parties which upset the other. What was certain was that when Jeane returned the animal, she understood the offer.

Alicia, can you fathom that there is a difference between "legally" owing something, while also feeling an ethical obligation to mend things, if for no other reason than to be sympathetic to the situation of the offended party ? Seems they made a deal. Ali refunds approximately $58 less to Jeanne that Jeanne wanted, approx $150(?) out of her own pocket. In return, she buys back the gecko and gets her name trashed here. That was all understood in advance. That was the deal.

 

[USAGECKOS]

Jeanne (USA), I do not know you, and pretty much only have what is here. You and Dave seem hung on this "lie".

You put it in quotes like it what she did wasn't really lying? Ali said that she would send me a Prepaid label, she did not do this. And, according to the letter she wrote me, she doesn't beleive in refunding shipping charges at all. So, anyone that makes the mistake of buying from her in the future, and needs to return it for whatever reason can be sure to not receive their money back as well. That, is bad business. I can understand if I was returning the animal because I just changed my mind or something like that, but the animal was CLEARLY misrepresented, I shouldn't of had to pay a dime out of my pocket.

For whatever reason, its high on your radar, and lower on others.

The only radar that it is low on is yours and Ali's

I refered to earlier, I understand that there was a lot of "testiness" and threats between you and Ali regarding your demands. I mentioned this earlier, but it was not addressed by you.

What is there to address?

If it is true, based on my opinion that Ali did not legally owe you anything, and that of several others here, my opinion would be that you are an extortionist

Only you would see it like that

 

[Wilomn]

Holy Horsepucky Batman, Jeanne and EXTORTIONIST?

Oh wait, chumpco may have mixed that up with CONTORTIONIST, they are very similar sounding words, afterall, and he is consistently proving that his grasp of almost everything is very warped of late, so maybe he just mixed up his multisyllabic words.

No, upon reflection, I suppose he's just being a mean vindictive buttwad and taking out his misplaced rage on a chick, like the "man" he is.

You're a sack alright jimmy, a real sack. Grade AAA most fine and stinky CRAP currently available.

I didn't think I could think any less of you.

Even I am surprised, and that's NO easy feat, chumpco, no easy feat at all.

Congrats.

 

[USAGECKOS]

Alicia, that was addressed earlier. My point was that it was a part of the negotiation, and things said in negotiation go on and off the table all the time. As other demands evolved, it was removed from the offer. It would have been nice had Alicia not said it, or made good on it, but many things transpired here by both parties which upset the other. What was certain was that when Jeane returned the animal, she understood the offer.

Alicia, can you fathom that there is a difference between "legally" owing something, while also feeling an ethical obligation to mend things, if for no other reason than to be sympathetic to the situation of the offended party ? Seems they made a deal. Ali refunds approximately $58 less to Jeanne that Jeanne wanted, approx $150(?) out of her own pocket. In return, she buys back the gecko and gets her name trashed here. That was all understood in advance. That was the deal.

Ali NEVER changed the deal, at least she NEVER told me she changed it. She never removed ANYTHING from the "Offer". And, also, it wasn't an "OFFER" it was what was "OWED" to me.

Why do you think she changed the deal anyway, where did you get that from??????



Why isn't Ali here responding for herself??????

 

[Wilomn]

Ali NEVER changed the deal, at least she NEVER told me she changed it. She never removed ANYTHING from the "Offer". And, also, it wasn't an "OFFER" it was what was "OWED" to me.

Why do you think she changed the deal anyway, where did you get that from??????



Why isn't Ali here responding for herself??????

Because everytime she tries to wipe her bum, chumpco tries to bite her fingers?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Alicia, that was addressed earlier. My point was that it was a part of the negotiation, and things said in negotiation go on and off the table all the time. As other demands evolved, it was removed from the offer. It would have been nice had Alicia not said it, or made good on it, but many things transpired here by both parties which upset the other. What was certain was that when Jeane returned the animal, she understood the offer.


Alicia, can you fathom that there is a difference between "legally" owing something, while also feeling an ethical obligation to mend things, if for no other reason than to be sympathetic to the situation of the offended party ? Seems they made a deal. Ali refunds approximately $58 less to Jeanne that Jeanne wanted, approx $150(?) out of her own pocket. In return, she buys back the gecko and gets her name trashed here. That was all understood in advance. That was the deal.

In bold is stuff im replying to.

"It would have been nice had Alicia not said it, or made good on it"
I think you meant to say ALI and not Alicia...... Please correct that. Thanks!

okay so....You mean by this, that When ali sent a non prepaid label, and jeane still sent it back, She accepted those new terms right? I suppose i can understand that, as that is the logical way to think about it, BUT is it so Illogical to be upset about it when it was promised in the first place? i would have been pretty upset too! but i guess i also would not have sent the animal back if i had to pay for the shipping. I would have asked again for a prepaid label or half of the shipping cost at least. If not, i would have just kept the gecko and moved on....

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Sure i can understand , But also, Do you actually KNOW if Ali Owns the business or not? that makes a big difference. if she is just Running it for Wendy till she gets back, which was clearly stated in the emails and then later switched around once people addressed it.. then that explains alot about this whole thread. or does she now OWN everything, ( remember to look up those state laws as to what owning a business is, and if it is a legal one in the first place. does it have to be registered? is there paperwork involved?) but...does she Own everything.. no connections to Wendy at all, or her mother? if so then she is responsible for her OWN transactions. and her own deals that she puts in writing. What sucks is, from what ive read is that everything got caught in the middle of a transaction By Jeane and Wendy, then Ali stepped in, and got caught with it. i can understand that completely..and it SUCKS for her... but she still honored taking the animal back, and while thats all well and good. she should have fufilled the return like she said she would. Thats just Sketchy if you only return part of what you said you originally would.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Jeanne,
You did not get a prepaid label. You did not get PayPal fees. When you shipped, you had to pay to do it, did you not ? I guess all the BOI threats were part of the deal ?

You keep saying "it was owed". Wendy, who owed the money, was in jail. So you wanted to extort Ali. Well, I think the scoresheet looks like this (estimates):

Jeanne (USA): still out $58, but did recover $150.
Ali: still out $150, but with gecko, and this thread.
Wendy: Was able to spend $208 before going to jail long time now.

Jeanne, Ali could have done better, and she could have done much worse. Maybe you could have done a bit better too ? Ali has at least learned that the BOI is not worth her effort. That's progress.

 

[USAGECKOS]

Jeanne,
You did not get a prepaid label. You did not get PayPal fees. When you shipped, you had to pay to do it, did you not ? I guess all the BOI threats were part of the deal ?

I honestly thought that she was going to send the shipping fees along with the rest of my refund, she never told me that she changed her mind about paying for the Gecko to be returned, which would be what any honest person would have done. Communication is key.

 

[Chameleon Company]

My mistake on the names Alicia. You fixed it. Yes, Jeanne (USA) had reason to be upset. So did Ali. Jeanne blamed Ali for owing her all the money, and there were threats. You and I both know that regardless of what may have happened, there was certainly discussion about the label before the animal was shipped, in a context of mutual animosity. Maybe it was the demand for PayPal fees refunded that set one side off ? Who knows, but it is very common in negotiations for neither side to get all that they want. Both parties made choices, and both had flaws.

Add-on. Yes, communication is key Jeanne. So is whether or not both parties respect the other. I see Ali trying to work with you, with flaws. I don't see trying to work with Ali. PayPal fees ? You made sure you were going to get $58 worth of "satisfaction".

Jeanne, I am taking a position here somewhat antagonistic to you. At the same time, I cannot possibly conclude that you are a "bad person". You had every reason to be mad about the gecko being brown, and then the run-around from Wendy. Then Ali gets it in her lap, and she isn't liking one bit of it either. Certainly you believed at one time that they would refund the shipping. I am going to guess that a few expectations changed on both sides. The anger needed an outlet, as you and Ali and Jeane B. still had issues. You chose the BOI, and I believe knew full well that the gutter maggots like Wes would be waiting with glee. You are not a bad person, but IMMHO, it is hard to put this one decision by you in a good light.

 

[Jim O]

Communication is key.

This is the truth.

I'm going to go a little against the grain here and take from this that Ali got caught in the middle of something bigger than she knew. Who really knows what she thought she was buying and what she actually got? Wendy is not going to be back for at least a couple of years, and that's assuming other crimes do not catch up with her in the interim. This was hardly a "business". Ali refunded the purchase price. She could have refunded shipping and then she would be a "good guy" here for doing the right thing for picking up Wendy's crap. She could have split shipping and then Jeanne would be out ~$30 for her error in judgment in dealing with Wendy in the first place. As it is she is out $60. Another solution might have been a full refund and let Jeanne keep the animal. Take into account that there may have been a lot of debts and there's only so much blood one can get from a stone.

All of this takes focus from Wendy, who is the real "bad guy" here. As someone alluded, this is not John Gotti running a small time reptile gig from a state penitentiary. Running a business from prison is a sure way to lose whatever good behavior time one accrues. Would Wendy be that stupid over a few bucks? This isn't a lifer and a multimillion dollar drug ring here that we're talking about. This is someone who could get out in two years versus four.

As I said, chastising Jeanne for doing business with Wendy does no one any good, but Jeanne does bear the responsibility for her decision. The information on Wendy was here on the BOI and it went way beyond her "profession". Again, I'm not saying it's right or that is was deserved, but seen in the wide angle lens of the "big picture" this could well have been worse for Jeanne, and Wendy is the real scoundrel. How things go for Ali remains to be seen. I agree with Kevin that it be best to get the hell out of the reptile business.

 

[USAGECKOS]

Certainly you believed at one time that they would refund the shipping. I am going to guess that a few expectations changed on both sides

My expectations never changed, I just expected to get back what I was told I would get back.

Maybe it was the demand for PayPal fees refunded

You keep saying that I "Demanded" the paypal fees to be refunded. This was my exact email:

He should arrive tomorrow by 3:00 PM your time, once you receive him you can rund my money ($208.88) to my paypal account which is the same as my email address, please use the refund button from when I sent Wendy the money so I don't get hit with Paypal fees. I will expect to have it in my account on Wednesday morning.

Doesn't sound demanding to me, I even said please

 

[Otter_23]

Jeanne I don't think you need to defend yourself anymore. It is interesting how the spin doctor has tried to make you out as the villian. This is one of those situations where it is pretty clear and cut. You are dealing with people who are shady at this point to say the least. They are defended by those who believe rational thinking is an option. I think it is fair to say that your warning will be heeded and those that question you really don't matter in the long run anyways. You were lied to and sold a misrepresented gecko unfortunately you may have to eat some of the cost but hopefully it will open your eyes a little wider next time you deal with someone of not so stellar reputation. Your reputation is very good. Might I recommend trying the ignore button.

 

[USAGECKOS]

Jeanne I don't think you need to defend yourself anymore. It is interesting how the spin doctor has tried to make you out as the villian. This is one of those situations where it is pretty clear and cut. You are dealing with people who are shady at this point to say the least. They are defended by those who believe rational thinking is an option. I think it is fair to say that your warning will be heeded and those that question you really don't matter in the long run anyways. You were lied to and sold a misrepresented gecko unfortunately you may have to eat some of the cost but hopefully it will open your eyes a little wider next time you deal with someone of not so stellar reputation. Your reputation is very good. Might I recommend trying the ignore button.

Thank You