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Bad Guy DALE PICOLLA BAD GUY

Ok I know this may not be the 100% best solution to this debate but I live on Staten Island and have been a zookeeper on and off for the past 14+ years and have been breeding reptiles for the past 13+. If both parties want me to I'd have no problem being an impartial judge of the animal considering I don't know either of the 2 gentlemen in question. Also I am almost positive that is not an up to date list of the legalities of nyc animals because it was ammended but the ny state website never updated it. Monitors I'm pretty sure are still a no but where it says all pythons is not true cause after they ammended the law you can once again buy ball pythons and such in pet stores here again but the "large" species are still outlawed.
 
I have no dog in this hunt. I do not know the seller or the buyer.

That being said what bothers me the most by this transaction is in the emails.

[quote/] From: Dale Picolla <[email protected]>
To: ronald peteroy <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re:


Forgive me for my anger Ron but I would never send you a retarded animal.Do not take it to the vet. What you have is a severely stressed animal with enemia from blood loss. It doesnt surprise me on the nail loss.. But you can clearly see the animal has been eating well.. Give it rest and help it eat... It will bounce back in time.. Im 50 and have had hundreds and hudereds of varanids... I know what im talking about.. keep me posted... Dale [quote/]

Now I don't know about the rest of the readers here, but I would never discourage a keeper from seeking some medical advice. Evenif it's for a little piece of mind. Not taking it to the vet makes it look like the seller has something to hide :shrug01:
 
whatnowcustoms said:
Ok I know this may not be the 100% best solution to this debate but I live on Staten Island and have been a zookeeper on and off for the past 14+ years and have been breeding reptiles for the past 13+. If both parties want me to I'd have no problem being an impartial judge of the animal considering I don't know either of the 2 gentlemen in question. Also I am almost positive that is not an up to date list of the legalities of nyc animals because it was ammended but the ny state website never updated it. Monitors I'm pretty sure are still a no but where it says all pythons is not true cause after they ammended the law you can once again buy ball pythons and such in pet stores here again but the "large" species are still outlawed.
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Please cite the amended text.
 
sorry to be off topic....I'll try and find it. I know after they put the entire python genus on the banned list they later went back and fixed it. While I was living in CA for a few years is when the total ban happened then after I moved back and was working at the zoo is when it got amended. Of the top of my head gonna say 2006-2007 is when they did the amending cause there was a notice above the time clock at the zoo with the up to date info. All new random animal news article are usually pinned up there for whomever to read.

In the few minutes i"ve been looking so far i found:

notifing the city that you own or in the possession of a "wild animal" as an enviromental conservation law- All venomous snakes and all constrictors and python snakes that
are ten feet or greater in length; and
(6) Crocodilia that are five feet or greater in length.
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$GMU209-CC$$@TXGMU0209-CC+&LIST=SEA2+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=41593905+&TARGET=VIEW


and as a general municipal law- All reptiles that are venomous by nature, pursuant to department
regulation, and the following species and orders: Burmese Python (Python
m. bivittatus), Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus), African Rock
Python (Python sabae), Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus), Yellow
Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus), Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia
amethistina and Morelia kinghorni), Indian Python (Python molurus),
Asiatic (water) Monitor (Varanus salvator), Nile Monitor (Varanus
nilocitus), White Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis), Black Throat
Monitor (Varanus albigularis ionides) and Crocodile Monitor (Varanus
salvadori), Komodo Dragon (Varanus komodensis) and any hybrid thereof,
(6) Crocodylia.

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$ENV11-0103$$@TXENV011-0103+&LIST=SEA1+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=41593905+&TARGET=VIEW

I'll continue to look for the main one i was speaking about for ya.
 
I'm not asking for cites to state law. I'm asking for cites to any changes in the NYC article 161 health laws you may be aware of that vary the below:


(10) Reptiles (Reptilia). All Helodermatidae (gila monster and Mexican beaded lizard); all front-fanged venomous snakes, even if devenomized, including, but not limited to, all
Viperidae (viper, pit viper), all Elapidae (cobra, mamba, krait, coral snake), all
Atractaspididae (African burrowing asp), all Hydrophiidae (sea snake), all Laticaudidae
(sea krait); all venomous, mid-or rear-fanged, Duvernoy-glanded members of the family
Colubridae, even if devenomized; any member, or hybrid offspring of the family Boidae,
including, but not limited to, the common or green anaconda and yellow anaconda; any
member of the family Pythonidae, including but not limited to the African rock python,
Indian or Burmese python, Amethystine or scrub python; any member of the family
Varanidae, including the white throated monitor, Bosc's or African savannah monitor,
Komodo monitor or dragon, Nile monitor, crocodile monitor, water monitor, Bornean
earless monitor; any member of the family Iguanidae, including the green or common
iguana; any member of the family Teiidae, including, but not limited to the golden,
common, or black and white tegu; all members of the family Chelydridae, including
snapping turtle and alligator snapping turtle; and all members of the order Crocodylia,
including, but not limited to alligator, caiman and crocodile
 
Lucille said:
I'm not asking for cites to state law. I'm asking for cites to any changes in the NYC article 161 health laws you may be aware of that vary the below:


(10) Reptiles (Reptilia). All Helodermatidae (gila monster and Mexican beaded lizard); all front-fanged venomous snakes, even if devenomized, including, but not limited to, all
Viperidae (viper, pit viper), all Elapidae (cobra, mamba, krait, coral snake), all
Atractaspididae (African burrowing asp), all Hydrophiidae (sea snake), all Laticaudidae
(sea krait); all venomous, mid-or rear-fanged, Duvernoy-glanded members of the family
Colubridae, even if devenomized; any member, or hybrid offspring of the family Boidae,
including, but not limited to, the common or green anaconda and yellow anaconda; any
member of the family Pythonidae, including but not limited to the African rock python,
Indian or Burmese python, Amethystine or scrub python; any member of the family
Varanidae, including the white throated monitor, Bosc's or African savannah monitor,
Komodo monitor or dragon, Nile monitor, crocodile monitor, water monitor, Bornean
earless monitor; any member of the family Iguanidae, including the green or common
iguana; any member of the family Teiidae, including, but not limited to the golden,
common, or black and white tegu; all members of the family Chelydridae, including
snapping turtle and alligator snapping turtle; and all members of the order Crocodylia,
including, but not limited to alligator, caiman and crocodile
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:iagree: , I live in NY when I'm in school and thats what I go by
 
lol thats what i was looking for...its kinda hard to find when the state doesn't update all it stuff though. almost 99.99% certain the one you posted is not up to date but is the only one listed online
 
Well if you are 99.99% sure, you ought to be able to find what you are talking about since it is in your field of expertise.
If you can't find it, it comes off the table, you know. We are not governed by hidden statutes that someone thinks they have heard of.
 
The NY state law you were referring to is NOT the same as the NYC health code.
The topic of ball pythons - or even pythons in general - is somewhat irrelevant in this thread, however, as water monitors are illegal in the STATE of NY...and local law cannot be less restrictive than state law.
 
Lucille said:
Please cite the amended text.
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if he's saying the amended part has to do with pythons, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread and the monitor? What am I missing here? otherwise this all seems rather off topic.


OP - will you be posting the results from the vet and/or photos that might show the "serious signs of muscular deteriation or atrophy" or video "just flops over when it turns its head to eat". That would go a long way towards trying to prove your case.
 
I didn't mean to bring the tread off topic. I had just stated that what was posted "may not be" correct. (until i can find what i read i understand its still open to debate) I knew the snake part of it has been changed but i don't know about the monitor part because besides taking care of them at the zoo i never had one as a personal "pet". Its been a busy day for me so I haven't had to to really sit in front of the computer and look for the info for y'all. If I find it i'll send a link to those interested but i really don't want to take this thread further off topic and sorry again it seems i did.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
if he's saying the amended part has to do with pythons, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread and the monitor? What am I missing here? otherwise this all seems rather off topic.

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He had volunteered to be an impartial judge for the parties, and he does not seem to be current or knowledgeable about reptile laws in general.
But I see what you are saying April.
 
what does my knowledge of reptile laws have to do with knowing if an animal is sick, injured, ect.? Science and law are 2 very different topics.
 
I am not sure why legality is comong into play here... Firstly, many of you seem to not know what you are talking about when it comes to NY State or city laws... There are many grey areas that are not listed... Venomous snakes are banned in NYC and in NYS, However, I and some others can still legally keep venomous snakes... Unless you all know the situation, legality should not be part of this thread... There are exceptions to those laws...

The fact is, there is a sick/injured animal... If the animal was injured during transit, that means the shipper did not ship correctly... I have shipped hundreds for animals and never had a single injury or fatality during shipping... If the animal was sick on arrival, it was sick when shipped...

We need to pat attention to the real issue and that is the well being of this water monitor... It sounds like Ron is doing what he needs to do as far as trying to save the animals life... Being that I live in the same area, I would be willing to take a look at this monitor myself to see what kind of shape it is in and the conditions it is being kept in if that is Ok with Ron ofcorse...
 
Dale Picolla a GREAT GUY

I have bought several animals from Dale. It has always been A+ animals and service. Dale would never sell sick animals. Hard to believe this guy with no evidence of this. NO video, pics, or vet records.
 
I just figured I would throw in my two cents. Wasn't nuchalis given full species status along with some of the other former salvator subspecies? Unless all varanid are illegal in NY, which I didn't think was the case. Figured I would throw that out there since so many are hung up on the legality of the animal. I agree though with Greg, the animals health and condition upon arrival is the real issue.
 
I will try to video the above animal at Ron's place this weekend at Ron's request. I did see it in person when it arrived and also remarked about its coordination.

Joe, yes this is the elevated Varanus nuchalis, which is a much smaller, more arboreal race within the Soterosaurus subfamily. Its enlarged nuchal scales, pink tongue and small over all length of 48" max make it the smallest race of water monitors.

Thanks,

John

http://www.cybersalvator.com
 
Wolfy-hound said:
I would blame the BUYER for BUYING a illegal animal more than the seller, who lives in California, not NewYork. Shouldn't the BUYER be aware of what he can and cannot keep more than the seller?
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Agreed. While he may still technically be in violation, I just do not see how the city of New York is going to be able to go after someone that lives that far out of their jurisdiction (especially when they have a local suspect right there in their back yard that seems to have knowingly violated the local laws there).

Now onto the other issue. When are we going to see that video and that Vet report?
 
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