Dan Felice...EXTORTION..LIES ...HARRASSMENT and BIG THANK YOU TO THE PA. POLICE !!!!

[Cat_72]

I agree that maybe Lucille's statement about there being, "more than meets the eye" here may have not been the best thing for her to say at this point....but she is simply abiding by her word to not discuss the emails. And it may have inferred a lot of things....we simply don't know. Let's just let the original parties involved be the ones to step up to the plate here and provide the proof they should be providing. I'm thinking Dan is probably not going to bother to show.....but another thought here, maybe Justin shouldn't have even started this thread until he COULD post the proof of what went on? Not saying HE is a "bad guy" by any means....but if you are going to make accusations, you need to have the proof to back them up. Or.....we end up with a mess like this, where the whole focus is being lost, and someone who wasn't even involved is being badgered to reveal things she gave her word not to.

I must say though.....I fail to see the real difference between emailing all of the information to whoever asks for it and just posting it......?

 

[Jim O]

John,

Then call her out for her commentary if you like. It's still not her place to answer direct questions about the content of the e-mails. It's up to Justin to make them public, or else not to. If I recall correctly, she implored him to do just that. And that is why she is being criticized here.

 

[The BoidSmith]

In my opinion the only thing we can infer from Lucille’s post is that she has doubts. Doubts based on what Dan told him. Now, if we had all the facts , and still she decided to defend Dan, it would be a completely different story. From what I have learned here Dan has lied, threatened, and impersonated a police officer. That’s enough to make him a con artist. Did he lied about receiving that payment also? Maybe. Do I know it for a fact? No. That’s the reason why I asked proof for that payment earlier on this thread. One thing’s for sure though, Dan’s silence is deafening, suspicious, and incriminating.

Just my opinion.

 

[Lucille]

Everyone chill; Lucille the facilitator has found an idea!!

I have send an email to the detective asking about the release of information. Y'all sit tight til tomorrow or so; I am still bound by my promise, yet if there is no bar to release, Justin can publish the emails. I will post again in the AM to say what the detective says.

I deserve lots of points and choklit for such a solution, pony up guys.

 

[Chameleon Company]

No problem with Justin putting out the "heads up". I applaud him for it, and for then letting two parties (or more) review the evidence while still keeping it out of a fully public forum, as per the advice of the police. But while Justin was providing information as best he could to back up his evidence and assertions, they were undermined in one statement by Lucille, maybe even unknowingly, but her comment jumped the gun a bit. She had (and has) every opportunity to support her "more than meets the eye" statement, as neither she nor Danny is under any restrictions based on police advice. If I was Justin, I'd have been mad as heck for having first gone to the trouble of bringing all this to the table as best I could, and then having it said by others that there's more to it than I've said. If so, show it !! Maybe it was a mistake, as we've said, but if you are going to undermine someone's credibility, have the goods, or acknowledge the mistake. If its Danny's innuendos in a side email that are the basis for it .... fool me once shame on you ... fool me twice .... give me a break. Lucille mis-spoke, or has cards she ain't showing and needs to turn them over or tell us what's up about "the rest of the story" (forgive me, Paul Harvey). My take is that she put a little too much credence in her communications with Danny, and got on the keyboard a little too quickly after these communication ...... it was for Danny to come to his own defense then ... where is he? No problem with others who have come in and mentioned good past experiences with Dan .. that's not undermining the current issue. I agree that Lucille has not taken sides ..... I think she very much sees a problem, and has tried to get Dan to address this. But that one statement was typed too quickly considering the basis given for it so far. Or, if the "more here than meets the eye" refers to things other than Justin's statements and assumptions based on the preponderance of evidence, then clarify for all. It seems likely that Dan is "more guilty" than so far presented, but I didn't infer that from her statement. Lucille's statement implied an undermining of Justin's information as presented, or that there was some misunderstanding, but no basis was given beyond what appears to be the word of a crook!

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC

 

[The BoidSmith]

I must say though.....I fail to see the real difference between emailing all of the information to whoever asks for it and just posting it......?

Cathy,

The difference is simple. Justin trusted Lucille with her complete silence in the issue (as he stated in his post), and he was not disappointed. Had those e-mails been posted in here we all know that by now this thread would at least three times as long.

Thanks

 

[Cat_72]

Sigh.....

The difference is simple. Justin trusted Lucille with her complete silence in the issue (as he stated in his post), and he was not disappointed. Had those e-mails been posted in here we all know that by now this thread would at least three times as long.

I agree.....but obviously Lucille isn't the only one that he's sent the emails to. And I'm not saying Lucille is wrong for keeping her word....because I admire her for doing so. I just wondered what the difference is between sending them to others, and posting them on here....

If I was Justin, I'd have been mad as heck for having first gone to the trouble of bringing all this to the table as best I could, and then having it said by others that there's more to it than I've said.

Again, I agree.....and I'm NOT saying that in MY opinion he SHOULD have waited....I just hate to see him getting blasted for trying to post something helpful, and then he and Lucille both getting yelled at for "not posting proof".

But while Justin was providing information as best he could to back up his evidence and assertions, they were undermined in one statement by Lucille, maybe even unknowingly, but her comment jumped the gun a bit. She had (and has) every opportunity to support her "more than meets the eye" statement, as neither she nor Danny is under any restrictions based on police advice.

I think that's a big part of the problem here.....a LOT of people seem to be reading a lot into Lucille's statement, and "jumping the gun" as to what she actually meant by it. Lucille may not be under any "police restrictions", but Justin says he is.....and Lucille agreed to abide by that......so I can't see why there are so many problems with Lucille not giving everyone their answers.

I gotta go to work.....hopefully Lucille's email to the detective will help us sort this mess out....have a good night, y'all.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

Detective Irey, Justin Mitcham has been sending out copies of emails of this disagreement he has and I received one. There seems to be some question as to the proprieties of discussion. Was Mr. Mitcham forbidden by you to post the emails he received? Is this an active case?

Thank you,
Lucille Hollander

ps Parts of Pennsylvania are beautiful, you are fortunate to be is such a pretty place, I visited there once.

BRIGHT IDEAL!!!Actually Lucille you messed up, the PA department considers it closed the Fort Worth is who I am waiting to hear back from, I mentioned that in my 1st post!!!!!.So your question to the cop is pointless. Wish you would of consulted me before you go emailing people on your own using the information in the emails I asked to keep private. Personally I was not going to post the Detectives email on a public forum due to privacy and curteousness, I am sure he has more important things then to be bothered by the people here.THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I DIDN'T WANT HAPPENING.When I mentioned please respect my descision not post these emails I certainly believed you would also not meddle or interfere or use the information I provided in any such sense. Asking the cop about the status of MY CASE is not respecting my decision or the information I provided. In the end it is MY decision to post the mails not yours, his or anyone elses. I reserve my right to not post if I feel it necessarry and thought that was clear. I sent you the emails for one purpose to view and to decide if for yourself if Dan was behaving in the manner I described.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

Detective Irey, Justin Mitcham has been sending out copies of emails of this disagreement he has and I received one. There seems to be some question as to the proprieties of discussion. Was Mr. Mitcham forbidden by you to post the emails he received? Is this an active case?

Thank you,
Lucille Hollander

ps Parts of Pennsylvania are beautiful, you are fortunate to be is such a pretty place, I visited there once.

Lucille when you write him back, make it clear that I DID not say..That he said..That I couldn't post the emails,I don't want him thinking I was making stuff up and saying he said it...uuugh

Also make it clear that I am not passing his email around for all to see, it was sent to a select few ( like 4 or 5) for verification only!!!

And make it clear that I do not (or should I say WE now) intend on publishing his email in a public forum unless he wishes.

Please email me a copy when you are done.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Justin, I couldn't agree more. You respected the wishes of the police, and while you break no law if you decided to post the notes everywhere, the advice that the police gave you was to minimize any contamination of their investigation. Your choice to post the head's up here may have jeopardized that a bit, but it served a purpose. The cops have lots of other fish to fry, and even a phone call or contact by the local PA police to Danny may have been all you would likely end up with, and Dan would have gotten the message to not pull a stunt like this again.
Now, maybe I missed something, and Lucile or somebody else can come on board and correct me, lest I sound like a broken record. My take is that Lucille's "more than meets the eye" statement was not based on the confidential emails that Justin shared with her, but rather on the emerging story by the cop-impersonator Danny that the "payment had been returned". So this means what, that he left the stamp off the envelope? Or, as Elvis would say "return to sender"? If it was based on what little was shared of Danny's communications with her, then there's no basis for her statement, and she mispoke. If it was based on things revealed by Justin's shared communications, which is not how her post reads, then come on board and say so. My conclusion from all that I have read so far is that she put quite a bit of credence in the "returned payment" note from Dan, and came to Dan's defense a bit quickly, if in no other way than by directly implying that there was substantial information not on the table yet, based on some inside version of Dan's story. Again, if it is not based on the communications shared by Justin, then there is no recommendation from the police governing its publication. If it came from Dan, and was so claimed by him to be kept confidential pending the investigation, then that would also be easy to explain without going into the details. But as it stands, me reading of it is that it is only based on Dan's communications about the return of the payment. Being as mild in my rebuke as possible, for anyone except Justin or Dan to contact the police departments involved so as to be able to post info in this forum is an error in judgement. We're the court of public opinion, not a true legally impaneled jury. The allegations against Dan were serious AND substantiated, and we had the word of other credible members to back it up. Details about returned payments were frivolous and insignificant when weighed against the experiences illustrated here by two members, and confirmed by others. Any questioning of any statement made in defense of Dan, or casting doubt on the allegations of Justin, is very much on topic. There is plenty of room to explain here, without revealing confidential communications. If I misread an earlier post, then enlighten me !

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC

 

[Lucille]

In the end it is MY decision to post the mails not yours, his or anyone elses. I reserve my right to not post if I feel it necessarry and thought that was clear.

Perhaps you have not been reading this thread where I have said more than once that it IS your right, and I will NOT publish emails I said I would keep in confidence. That does NOT let you off the hook, however.

Justin, my friend, I have been taking a lot of heat for your emails and I will be contacting ALL the law enforcement involved and directing them to this thread. When you bring a matter to the BOI, it is a public announcement for or against someone's reputation and from my experience, the folks here do a good job getting at the truth.

If the law enforcement say there is an ongoing investigation, they need to know that you have been sending those emails out to more than several people; and if they say they did not tell you that you could NOT publish, I will say so. It is of course your decision at that point whether to publish or not, but how will it appear when you came to the BOI, said all these things about a man, and then would not substantiate what you said when there was no reason not to?

If you can publish those emails, you have been making me take quite a bit of heat for no reason; that means you came on here, trashed someone, and refused of your own volition to publish the proof of what you said. I still am not saying that Dan was right or wrong and indeed if he did something out of line he ought to take the heat for it;
although I am somewhat perturbed that he has not chosen to come here, Justin, I am VERY perturbed with you.

Justin, YOU brought the info here and posted it in public, that gives everyone who reads it the right to any other public information that might be available. While I will not publish the information that I promised I would not, you have by your actions in beginning this thread made it a public matter.

 

[The BoidSmith]

"Three may keep a secret, if two are dead."

Ben Franklin

 

[Karen Hulvey]

I am NOT taking sides because I do not have all the facts, but there is DEFINITELY more here than meets the eye.

Dan sent me the following email:
i haven't read it but you're probably referring to the guy i said kept my money last week? i don't know what happened there but the money showed up in monday's mail so i'm satisfied. how you been? any new critters?...........dan

I emailed him back advising him to come read the thread, but if he was sent money BACK, it certainly presents questions in my mind about what exactly DID happen in this transaction.

Now you're saying there WAS a transaction whereas Justin says there was NEVER a transaction. Which is it? You said, "sent money BACK" which implies that Justin sent the money back. Did you see this check or MO yourself, Lucille? Is that why there is now "more than meets the eye?" Did Justin send Dan money? Did Dan receive his own check/money order back? Why doesn't Dan post a copy of it for all to see?

I know Lucille isn't the one on "trial" here but because of the above statements, she has brought this on herself.

 

[Karen Hulvey]

If you can publish those emails, you have been making me take quite a bit of heat for no reason; that means you came on here, trashed someone, and refused of your own volition to publish the proof of what you said.

No one made you ask for the emails, Lucille. But, when the others who have read the same emails you have and then said the emails are exactly what Justin said they were, how can you post things like "there is DEFINITELY more here than meets the eye" and "if he was sent money BACK, it certainly presents questions in my mind about what exactly DID happen in this transaction" I think those two statements are why you are getting any heat at all.

I do agree that all emails need to be posted and ASAP.

I also think that Dan needs to post a copy of the money he received. Golly that could end this whole thread pretty quickly and make Justin look like the bad guy. Dan's silence makes him look guilty.

 

[WebSlave]

It has often been said that "where there is smoke, there is fire". But holy mackerel people, there is getting to be so much smoke in this thread that no one will be able to figure out where exactly the fire is at.

Secondly, for all intents and purposes, sending someone an email is often considered as "publishing" those emails. As best I have been able to determine, NO email is considered to be private once you send it to anyone. You have effectively published it on the internet. So if law enforcement suggests that you do not publish your emails or other information, I would be pretty darn certain that they do NOT want you sending them to anyone.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[critical bill]

Had those e-mails been posted in here we all know that by now this thread would at least three times as long.

Ten times longer. Believe me.

 

[Chameleon Company]

This seems to be one of those tangents that has some enlightenment to it. Justin's charges seem to be substantiated by all who read the emails, and several have posted those confirmations here. Justin mentioned from the very beginning that he wanted to get an OK from the detective in Texas before posting the actual emails for ALL to read. Posting them in public forum is a step beyond sending them out to a few select folks, although the cat is out of the bag with the first forwarding of the emails .. it just takes a while.
Lucille, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you mis-stated quite a few things. Justin's sharing of notes or making accusations has no bearing what-so-ever on whether or not other information is public, or whether or not we had an existing right to it. For Justin to have to honor any order to refrain from revealing information takes a judge's signature. Otherwise, he's just using his own discretion.
As for "law enforcement needing to know" that Justin has been sharing the emails? Who in the hell decided that! I must have misplaced my manual about "Duties of being a good citizen in a tattle-tale world". Take a step back Lucille... that is not a civic duty by any stretch ... it is beyond reason. Let the parties involved talk to the authorities .... and that doesn't include you or me!
I did re-read it all, and see where you took a confidentiality vow to Dan. Your choice, but it puts you in a precarious situation when you post comments in his defense, which you did. Justin allowed several others to read his communications, and verify his claims for the rest of us. Dan's silence to all but you may be why you Lucille are flapping in the wind, and its because you stated that there is "DEFINITELY more than meets the eye ....", but have yourself in a position where you can't prode more info? Justin's claims have been substantiated while he has still been able to keep the exact emails from direct publication. Yet you attack his concerns about full posting of the emails, go way overboard about YOU getting involved with the police, and all the while Justin's claims are substantiated by others in this forum. So attack Justin's concerns about the investigative integrity of the issue with regards to real law-enforcement entities, which are valid at any point he wants to make it, while not being able to supply a better basis for your statements that spoke on Dan's behalf in this matter. All who post in this forum, myself included, are accepting that we may be roundly criticized by others for our views. Only Justin and Dan, or others with similar experiences involving them or who have been wronged, need to be contacting any police departments.

Jim Flaherty

 

[ravensgait]

Folks here keep mentioning that Lucille is keeping her word by not discussing the contents of these emails. And I keep asking and pointing out-What word? Unless as I said before there was some agreement between Her and Justin that isn't written in this thread? she only stated she would not Post The Emails. I don't remember her saying she would not give her opinion of said emails nor do I remember Justin asking her to Not Discuss or give her opinion of the contents here. So just what promise is she keeping??? To not post the Emails, well seems everyone who made the same promise is keeping it yet others seem willing to discuss the contents.

And now she's contacting law enforcement agencies to try and ascertain whether or not they told Justin not to post these emails in a public forum?? What's with that and also the fact that you just had to mention here that you were doing this.
Randy

 

[shrap]

Wow....

Justin, I for one completely understand where you are coming from and agree with you completely. If nothing else I think we found out one person not to share sensitive information with in the future.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

below was written by me 48hrs ago...

since this is still considered ongoing by Fort Worth PD I am not going to post the emails in a public forum until I run it by them...but I will email you his emails and I trust you will respect this and not post them until this is done. I have seen many of your post and you seem very open minded and fair.


Lucille, pay attention... you miss the point ...in my conversation with the police department they made it clear I can do whatever I wanted, but it was made clear having the information posted on a public forum may hinder my case in unforseen ways. The decision was left to me to make, ultimatly, I am under no official gag order which you suggest. I chose to not post the emails till I talk with the Fort Worth detective handling my case as a precaution and as a courtesy, to get there opinion. These guys here have a lot on there plate, I was trying to be patient and didn't feel I needed to explain and go into depth here. Nor did I want to rush them...Your meddling has forced me into a situation I wanted to avoid. I have not heard back from them yet regarding there decision, it has only been a few days, I mentioned that in my 1st post and my 2nd post, the post meant for you that is quoted above, I also said I WILL POST THE mails after I run it by them and get there final say.THIS WAS FREAKING 2 days ago!!! OK!!!
Now you are going to go meddle in my case, call and talk with them about my matter before I get a chance to confer...this is not respecting my privacy or wishes. This is sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
In essence all this fuss you have made over a perceived gag order is imagined, all I wanted was to talk with them 1st, you wouldn't even give me that...
thanks for respecting my wishes and being reasonable.
I guess you really are on Dans side...it's obvious your opinion on my case matters more than my concerns.