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Dan Felice - Good Guy

Is this a pissing match between an-al and kennard vs. anyone who, while agreeing with them in total disagrees with their methods or is a thread about dan's mis-representation of his stock? It's really getting hard to tell.

You two, an-al and kennard, seem to think that just because you were behind the outing of albury that you are some sort of detective gods here. You ain't. You may be members but, that does not give you the right to jump all over anyone who questions your methods. In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice but, why are you such arrogant antagonistic jerks all the time?

Lighten up boys.

Wes Pollock
 
"In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice "


Thank you Wes!
 
You be the judge.................................

Steve Fuller recently made the following two posts on KS Indigo forum. In these posts, he displays an obvious uneasiness about whether or not his Texas Indigos are, indeed, Texas Indigos. If you read Steve Fuller's posts, keeping in mind the 14 facts (some overlap) that Chris Kennard and I have recently posted here, you will probably conclude that Dan Felice is the root of Steve Fuller's apparent uneasiness.



Origin of Texas indigos purchased from Mark Butterfield

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Posted by: steve fuller at Sat Jan 24 10:34:01 2004 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

I have an adult pair of Texas indigos purchased from Mark Butterfield, Cicero, NY, last June. Because the female appears to be gravid, I'm interested in their origin. Mark remembers purchasing them as an unrelated pair of hatchlings, but can't recall from whom. Help? Thanks.



"RE: Breeders speak up...who's got what gravid??

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Posted by: steve fuller at Thu Feb 5 20:42:38 2004 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

The excitement is building. Hope this doesn't jinx things. Winter in New England sucks and it's a pleasure to care for the snakes. Texas indigo from Mark Butterfield (I know it came from somewhere before Mark - someone tell me!) is gravid"
 
I'm glad you guys can paraphrase my statements to pat yourselves on the back but how about answering the rest of the sentence? You know the part where I ask you why you have to be such arrogant atagonistic jerks. It would be nice to see you mellow out a little if not everyone uses your methods of "ferreting" since you tend(read that as always) to go overboard.

So boys, gonna answer or just keep patting yourselves on the back?

Wes Pollock
 
Wes...

"In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice..."


Again, thanks Wes!
 
I'm glad you guys can paraphrase my statements to pat yourselves on the back but how about answering the rest of the sentence? You know the part where I ask you why you have to be such arrogant atagonistic jerks. It would be nice to see you mellow out a little if not everyone uses your methods of "ferreting" since you tend(read that as always) to go overboard.

So boys, gonna answer or just keep patting yourselves on the back?

Wes Pollock
 
Rob...

When I saw Steve's posts on KS, I felt bad that not one person was willing to even entertain his quest for an answer to the question of his Texan's origin. I was glad to see his concern for the proper representation of future offspring of his Texan. I truly believe he is an innocent in this mess and this is why this thread is so important. Let's keep it from happening again folks. It would be nice if Dan would reveal the names of those who acquired those 02 "Texans" from Dan Felice's stock so that, through process of elimination, people can rule out whether or not they wound up with snakes from that lineage.
 
Wes.......I agree....

that these two tend to go overboard. If Dan Felice has done the things they say, then that is wrong and he needs to be exposed. There are more mature ways though than going on Kingsnake under false names ( ooooo...whasssa madder.....can't give your real name? ), making posts that use swear words ( this is an all ages site, kiddos! ), and just being on an elementary school level.

If you guys have proof about all of this, then fine. People actually might start listening to you if you decide to be honest in your presentations. Maybe you can learn from this. :)

Take care!

Billy Fraser
 
Keep in mind, Chris, that Steve Fuller is appealing to the KS Indigo forum, which is made up of Felice's buddies. Mum seems to be the word over there right now and it looks like Steve Fuller is getting stonewalled as far as that question goes.

Based on his questions alone, Steve Fuller sounds like he's a responsible guy, and knowing that Felice sold him those crosses as Texas Indigos, hoping that Steve wouldn't find out, Steve was obviously an innocent guy who found himself in the middle of a mess.

We've see that Felice isn't the type of guy who's going to suddenly come clean just because Steve Fuller might be in a mess. I can understand why someone else who bought and subsequently sold Felice's crosses might be reluctant to even want to know at this point what exactly Felice sold them. Felice created quite the mess when he decided to secretly pollute the Indigo gene pool, and he'd be the last guy to make the effort to clean up that mess.

The only thing Felice seems to want to do at this point is recruit new blood to come onto this thread to bash us, while those 14 facts remain unanswered. (Yeah, I know you think I'm a "Bad Guy" Dannio, but this thread isn't about me. You tried to start your own "Bad Guy" thread about me on Fauna, but the Webslave combined it with this thread. I don't rip people off - you do.)

Again, why don't you get Steve Fuller to come over here and defend you Dannio? You just posted under him on the Indigo forum, has he not responded to you? Is there a communication breakdown?
 
Wes.............................................

You say:

"I'm glad you guys can paraphrase my statements to pat yourselves on the back but how about answering the rest of the sentence?"

You are wrong! We quoted you word for word. There was no need to "paraphrase" when you so eloquently acknowledged Felice's guilt. Again, THANK YOU!

You say:

"You know the part where I ask you why you have to be such arrogant atagonistic jerks."

Potential snake buyers who steer clear of Dan Felice in the future certainly won't see Chris and I as 'arrogant antagonistic jerks". That's only YOUR opinion.

You say:

"It would be nice to see you mellow out a little if not everyone uses your methods of "ferreting" since you tend(read that as always) to go overboard."

Excercise your rights Wes! Don't read my posts if you don't like my "methods".


Finally, I get a kick out of the thought that someone with 31 warning points is attempting to tell me how to behave. I do applaud you however for the fact that you referred to me twice in your above post as "an-al" and the Webslave apparently somehow found it to be within the "TOS".
 
Rob.....

why did you just go over to kingsnake and throw some tantrum about me calling you and your buddy on some things that you need some help in?

On the pit forum, you just called me some names! LOL! :) How funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, I don't know Dan Felice. You need to get that through your head.

Second, your credibility to others is being wasted by doing such childish things as what you just did. Bro....you don't know me. Nothing I have said is in any way not factual. Embarrasement doesn't feel good, I know, but you need to consider acting out your frustrations in a different way.

I will say this again. If Felice has done the things you say, fine. There are better ways to try to convince the " public" then going over to kingsnake, posting under false names, cussing in your posts, and then of course , being deleted.

It's like you say and try to promote an image of being serious about exposing Dan, but then you guys go and do what I just described. That is not a serious act of someone who really is being credible, believable, and mature. See what I am saying? People will not believe you!!!!!!!!!!! All of this is being wasted acting out in an immature way.

Take some time, calm down, read a book, relax, and if Felice did all this, ( which I have no clue on nor care to ), then figure out a way to present your thoughts rationally.

Take care!

Billy Fraser
 
Billy.........................

you say:

"If Dan Felice has done the things they say, then that is wrong and he needs to be exposed.

If you guys have proof about all of this, then fine. People actually might start listening to you if you decide to be honest in your presentations. Maybe you can learn from this."

Next time Felice drags you over from the KS "Pit" forum to bash Chris and I, take some time to read the entire thread first. You would have read the facts that we've posted that show that Felice HAS "done the things that we say"! You might have figured out that, after 4,000 views without Dannio refuting ANYTHING, he really does "need to be exposed". You would have realized that this thread is past the question of "IF".

You Say:

"There are more mature ways though than going on Kingsnake under false names ( ooooo...whasssa madder.....can't give your real name? ), making posts that use swear words ( this is an all ages site, kiddos! ), and just being on an elementary school level."

Why don't you go cry about this to Jeff Barringer? And, by the way, my name is "ROB DUNLEAVY" in case you can't read the name at the of my posts.

Take Care
 
Billy................

You say:

"if Felice did all this, ( which I have no clue on nor care to ), then figure out a way to present your thoughts rationally."

This is a forum that is designed to separate the "Good Guys" from the "Bad Guys" Billy. It has nothing to do with exposing me for using multiple names to post on Kingsnake (LOL!). Again, please go run and tell Jeff Barringer on me IMMEDIATELY!

Let's see if I can present this thought "rationally", shall we? This thread is about determining whether or not Dan Felice is a "Good Guy" or a "Bad Guy". You just admitted that you "have no clue", nor to you "care to" find out the answer to that question. Therefore, is there a "rational" explanation for why you are here at all????????????

Take Care
 
Rob,.......

Like I have stated over and over.....let's do this slowly, shall we?

I don't know Dan. Never met him and most likely never will. How could he have dragged me from the pit forum if I have never met him. How could I have stuck up for him if I have never met him? I haven't even talked about anything regarding him or this situation. I can't defend him if I haven't even posted anything pertaining to defending him to begin with. Do you not get that? I have read this whole post and do know what the subject matter is about.

If what you are saying is true, and I say IF due to a few things.

a) I don't know you, him, or anyone involved in this.
b) Just because this story is being told on the internet doesn't warrant proof.

if what you are saying is true, then by all means do expose him. I don't like it when people misrepresent animals, etc.

The thing you are failing to realize is acting like 8 year olds, by putting posts on kingsnake EVERY TIME he posts something, whether it is to help someone with a question regarding husbandry, etc., does yourself no good. People are not seeing you expose Dan with facts. They are seeing you cuss, swear, and say things that only someone with inside knowledge would understand. Then your post gets deleted all in a matter of minutes. Gee..........does that show your exposure of Dan? What do you honestly think?

I think you are upset that someone wasn't going to tolerate your immature behaviour over on kingsnake. Plain and simple, my friend.

In all, act responsibly, think before you type, and do the best job showing proof with facts ( which I am not saying you haven't here on this thread, just on kingsnake ). That way..people will take you seriously. Then, you may get what you set out to do.

Take care!
Billy Fraser
 
Ok! Ok! OK! Billy! I give up!

You sound like a nice enough guy, and you may not be here in defense of Dan Felice. But then again, neither was Raden, Wedeking, Pollock, or Nichols (LOL!). You might want to read the thread while you are here though in case Dan Felice mentions, on the KS "Pit" forum in the future that he has just hatched baby XYZ snakes for so and so is ready to sell. You could save yourself a lot of aggravation! In return, I'll try my best to avoid the "Pit" forum in the future. That, however depends on whether Dannio decides to continue to "feed the fire"!

Take Care
 
that's cool!!!!!

I will keep my eye out and thanks to this thread, I know about this situation. I am not impressed that he has not gotten back on here and refuted a lot of things being said.

I have seen many of my friends get misrepresented animals by various breeders and this is one subject that pisses me off. I can't stand it that there are people out there that knowlingly do that. If Felice is another one, then with tedious work and proper management of factual presentation, he will be exposed.

Take care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Billy Fraser
 
Two final points Billy.................

Chris Kennard received five death threads in the mail following his comments on this thread about Felice. We have no doubts about who is behind these threats. And, we'd like to see Felice over here putting his "two cents'in on his own thread. Hence, you see us every now and again on KS to let him know that we know what he's been up to and to remind him that he is more than welcome to take a stab at refuting the facts we've posted here.

The only "defense" of Felice that we've seen so far on this thread has been the bashing of Chris and I to (magically) prove that Felice hasn't ripped anyone off. In other words:

Rob wasn't using his real name
Chris is arrogant
Both of us are disruptive on KS

Therefore......................Dan Felice couldn't be a "Bad Guy"




Your post appeared to fall right in line with the above pretzel "logic" of Felice's other defenders here. I'm sorry if I truely misunderstood you.
 
I read about those death threats and has he contacted the police about that? What actions have been taken concerning those threats? I ask cause I don't remember if anything was said concerning that exactly.

Billy Fraser
 
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