In an effort...
to get back on track, perhaps a recap is necessary.
After the birth of this thread, Nate Godin inquires about the crosses in question after seeing the fuss on KS. Gila responds without provocation with a venomous assault on myself before I even got a chance to respond. Enter Jeff Nichols who states, "I'm reasonably convinced that the story you tell is somewhat flawed", yet later contradicts himself (just prior to disappearing) with these two statements...
"However, in his defense, I don't know what a cross might count out as".
"I've scale counted the animals. Enough, I'm done".
On page four I submitted a post that Dan composed at KS where his first line states, "yeah stupid, there was a fib told......to you about 2 years ago". Of course this was a direct contradiction to his statement on his only post to this thread where he states, "and that is PRECISELY why you were never told anything in the beginning". Interesting. Back to Jeff Nichols on page eight where he suprisingly states with regard to the offspring he recieve from "Dan Felice's"stock, "Ummm, never said we kept them". This being a shock after this post on KS submitted by his wife...
"4 Shame 4 Shame 4 Shame on Bobl & Steve F
Posted by: TexIndigo Gal at Fri Oct 3 20:56:09 2003 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]
For feeding our addiction!
Today, Jeff and I received three BEAUTIFUL Texicans, further intoxicating us and insuring that we will NEVER escape the Drymarchon web.
Two girls and a boy ’02 Tex Indigo joined us today, like clockwork!
I was told to expect delivery before 10:30 a.m., and at 10:20 a.m., the UPS truck rolled up to the curb.
These three are apparently all from Dan Felice’s stock.
I first opened the box from Bobby Lee, and found inside the knotted bag a lovely, lively, inquisitive girl there. She ate a small mouse later this evening. She also earned, almost immediately, the Dry reputation as a sh!t artist.
Then I opened the carton from Steve Fuller and found two mobile pillowcases. The male quickly soiled the cage, and made two mock-strikes at me. Later, he ate a mouse. He also “decorated” his cage almost immediately upon de-bagging. A true Drymarchon!
The female from Steve, who looked close to shedding, did not eat tonight.
They are, all three, all lovely animals. . What hope is there for us? We are smitten.
B "
Why get rid of animals after such a rave review? In any case, Jeff was then asked "who has those snakes now"? Jeff disappears from this thread entirely.
Cut to page ten. Enter Dan Felice, who disregards the tos and starts a seperate threat on this topic in an effort to rally support by smearing his accusers and keep this thread on a "good guy" note...
chris kennard & rob aka 'applebaum', 200+ NEGATIVE posts straight and counting.....]
this will be my 1rst and last post ever concerning this subject. [#1] no drymarchon were EVER crossed at ANY time! kennard just 'thinks' there were and 18 months later for reasons KNOWN only to him has decided to 'come clean' and save the drymarchon community despite the fact that he loathes everyone and anything in the indigo forum. or ANY forum for that matter. he is banned on a continual daily basis from posting anywhere in KS for his complete lack of respect and decorum w/ regards to other members. you have all seen him in his different disguises/name changes whether you recognized him or not. he NEVER stops! [#2] rob, who hides behind the names 'applebaum & anaconda al' has NEVER even owned a snake and wouldn't know a garter snake from a garden hose.......chris saw the actual copulation here in my home huh rob? well, that must have been QUITE a trick as the adults were never here in the first place yip-yope!! i only hatched the eggs. but never mind the truth, you just keep parroting whatever 'cunnard' tells you to. these 2 guys have now posted OVER 200 times straight negatively here in fauna on TWO guys ONLY. myself and fred albury. i believe the words 'fanatic obsession' would come into play nicely here. those numbers are simply not possible by regular people but apparently it's the norm for the 'dynamic duo'. the numbers speak for themselves. in the thread bearing my name, they are responsible for fully 88% of the posts there even though they know ABSOLUTELY nothing about anything and it never involved them in the least!!! how and why is that possible? it's NOT! these are 2 very unhappy individuals that go around [talking to themselves in the thread] and looking to create TROUBLE nonstop. [#3] the LEGITIMATE animals in question were sold a looong time ago, were honestly represented and the book has long since been closed. this is apparently not good enough for frick & frack however. ????????? why? who the hell knows? they have their own agenda and motives apparently, relentlessly [and idiotically] pursuing a topic that they had/have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with EVER in the first place.......now you 2 boys run along and knock yourselves out some more. i [and others] are enjoying watching your 'rant & chant' show. i know YOU TWO think you are 'owed' facts but YOU ARE OWED NOTHING!! get it? i know you both as major mouth-offs/trouble seekers for some time [20+ years in 'cunnards' case] and that is PRECISELY why you were never told anything in the beginning. YOU CANNOT BE TRUSTED! people warned me about you years ago to present and now i see that they were right all long. THIS IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR. it's not even close...... so run along girls and carry your tales like 2 little snitches. you both disgust me!! the case is closed. except by you 2, who know absolutely the least. you guys are pathetic and have become laugh stocks. life---you oughta try getting one! oh, and Merry Christmas...... very sincerely, dan felice
The obvious rantings of a desperate person. Nothing refuted. Only slander is displayed.
Page twelve. I submitted a second post of Dan's from KS showing the exact same pattern and content of his previous posts and that of his "spokespeople" here...
RE: p.s. & VERY LAST WORD EVER......
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no cunnard, i don't know what you mean. i haven't a clue......you are beyond
hope at this point. i feel very, very sorry for you. LAST WORD SMOOTH: you were
never in the loop. EVER! you only have yourself to blame for that. for Christ's
sake, leslie warned me about your 'mentalness' the day she introduced us in '85
in john's grill. i don't know where your living but it's not in the present and
your knowledge of reptiles and their husbandry is sketchy at best. the next
snake you breed will be your first......for one example. you HIGHLY OVERVALUE
your own opinions that more often than not are unsubstantiated. in other words,
you deal in a fantasy world......a longtime habit of yours. i'm not dealing w/
it any longer......i have bigger problems to deal with. YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL
OUT OF YOURSELF YET AGAIN!!!!!! even the people in the pit forum [your alleged
forte] avoid you like the plague. what about that dn't you understand?......
btw, thanks OH, but please don't waste your time anymore on this buffon. i'm not
ever, ever again......
Cut to page fourteen where I posted new evidence...
While frolicking through the photo gallery at KS, I happened upon a photo of a supposed Texas Indigo by Steve Fuller. To recap, Steve is one of the unsuspecting recipients of Dan Felice's 02 Eastern Indigo/Unicolor Cribos which Dan sold as Texas Indigos. The date of the photo was labeled 7/20/2003. The photo is of a YEAR OLD Texas Indigo. The photo depicts what appears to be an obvious cross between the snakes in question. I have never seen a Texan with the head color of a Uni. I defy anyone to look at that photo and tell me they have seen Texans that look like that and share the head color of what is obviously indicative of a Unicolor Cribo, NOT A TEXAS INDIGO. The photo can be found by simply going to KS photo gallery, half way down the page in the search engine fill in the word Indigo, and go to the pic of the Texas Indigo by Steve Fuller. Or...
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=87642
Subsequently, I have recieved five anonymous threatening cards in the mail since this thread came about. Most, if not all, were sent by Rearfang (Frank). Frank is Dan's buddy. The connection is obvious. The first two were sent from S.Florida, where Frank happens to live. The third from N.Carolina. The forurth and fifth from Memphis and Newark, N.J. By his own admission in a post on KS, Frank was in Memphis the weekend the card was sent. Coincedence, lol? You do the math.
Enough said. If anyone can look at that pic and say that it represents a Texas animal, then the Texan you are compairing the photo to was probably created by Dan.
Now enter Gila, who as usual is reaching for anything to discredit us while again refuting nothing and resorting to slander. When asked a compromising question (how do you Know that's 'exactly what they are'?), Gila disappears...again. When the goin' gets tough, the wrong get goin', lol.
Page eighteen, enter Wendy, who once again can't resist being on the wrong side of the fence just because she hates us for stealing any attention that is rightfully hers and her sidekick Wes', who also follows in her footsteps with unsubstantial arrogant slander and baby talk. Suprisingly no warning points for being discourteous and using inappropriate language. A star on the bulletinboard for you guys. Savor that for it's the only claim to fame you'll have to tell your grandkids about regarding this thread. In any case, after the smoke settles and after Wes admits that it looks like we're right on this one, another disappearing act ensues. Wise choice.
Enter Discern, a guy with a legitimate bone to pick and the level headedness to constuct rational thoughts. Enough said. Billy Fraser...good guy.
Finally Gila comes back to answer the question we've been waiting for...but doesn't. A smooth ballet of words from Chris Raden leaves us where we started with him. Then comes Wraith, LOL! A carbon copy of Dan/Gila/Wendy/Wes. Refute nothing, attack our "popularity", and send the message to future victims that they think Dan is a good guy and therefore they would buy those "Texans" and so should you. A sad day for the herp community. All in all, if you read this thread start to finish, the trouble always starts with the "dream team" (Gila/Wendy/Wes) due to there abrasive introductions of themselves while resorting to slander and defamation. The proof is in the puddin'.
But the real issue here is simple. If Dan is innocent, he could have ended this thread a long time ago by answering just a few simple questions. In his post on page ten where the birth of this fish story came into play... "well, that must have been QUITE a trick as the adults were never here in the first place yip-yope!! i only hatched the eggs"...it struck me that this would solve everything, but only if Dan elaborates. Who did he "hatch" the eggs for? Who, aside from Steve and Bobby, were the recipients of those offspring. Why, if they belonged to someone else, was Dan selling them and why represent them as "Dan Felice's" stock? The answers to these questions would lay this all to rest. If anyone here was in any position to prove their accusers wrong, what would stop you? What is really scary though is the fact that those offspring are probably large enough to produce offspring of their own. I'm sure glad I'm not on any lists to recieve Texans this year!
