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Dan Felice - Good Guy

A word about the KS Indigo forum........

I believe that the KS Indigo forum is a breeding ground for scammers like Dan Felice. There exists a group of "core members" who align themselves with each other in order to give the appearance that they are an elite group of experts with stellar reputations. Although I do acknowledge that these guys know their stuff when it comes to snakes, I have a real problem with "Good Old Boys" attitude that drives their unconditional defense of their own "Bad Apples" without any concern for those who get ripped off.

For example, Felice responded directly to two of Steve Fuller's posts on that forum in the past week. I found the thought to be stomach-turning, as I have no doubt that the Indigo forum is where Felice found Fuller in the first place. Fuller is probably disgusted with Felice by now, yet Felice seems to be trying to "blend in" by posting directly under him to give the appearance that everything is fine (LOL!). The problem is, the rest of "the core" will play along acting as if Felice is a "Good Guy", and some "newbie" will come into contact with Felice via the KS Indigo forum, and they might conclude that Felice is just as reputable as Dean Alessandrini, for instance. The process will then probably repeat itself.

Like Felice, Fred Albury is once again posting in the Indigo forum as if he is a pillar of the snake community. No doubt, he and Felice are trolling for unsuspecting "suckers" to rip off, and with the help of "the cores" cooperation and support, I'm sure they will unfortunately have some success.

Felice and all of his defenders here have attempted to discredit Kennard and myself on this thread because we are "disruptive" on the KS Indigo forum. The truth is, the aim of our "disruption" has been to alert potential victims of Felice and Albury, and to discredit defenders of these scoundrels. No different than we've done here. So the next time Chis Raden refers to Kennard and/or I as "trolls", you'll have the real story.
 
I couldn't agree more, but...

"I believe that the KS Indigo forum is a breeding ground for scammers like Dan Felice. There exists a group of "core members" who align themselves with each other in order to give the appearance that they are an elite group of experts with stellar reputations".

I think KS in general is a breeding ground for scammers, not just the "Core". But the country club ("core") just has a nasty habit of condoning the wrongful acts of some of their "elitist" members by sweeping the dirt under the rug and acting as if nothing happened. Professionals call that "enabling". "Oh, don't you dare cross Drymarchon you heathen. Oops, I didn't realize you were one of us. Shhh, mums the word". "Oh, and don't go rippin' people off, unless you're one of us". I think that many of the self proclaimed "big-guns" at KS use their name as a crutch to absolve them of having to answer to anyone, thus getting away with alot more than the average Joe. Don't disagree with the big guns or you'll get your head chopped off. Didn't you know that you're not supposed to think for yourself or make judgements that don't coincide with the well respected herpers of the community? But I digress. I have seen the "core" invite themselves many times into the hybrid discussion forum and "shoot first, ask questions later" with regard to their condescending arrogance towards other herpers that frequent that forum. Hmmm, kinda' troll-like, wouldn't you say? Keeping Drymarchon pure seems to be the most important aspect of the hobby/business. Even now there is discussion on Indigo@KS. Of course that thread is completely devoid of even a whisper regarding this thread, lol. In any case, as this may seem off topic, I believe it is relevant, since everyone who bashes us seems to bring up KS, to paint an accurate picture of a not-so-perfect world that exists outside of this one. I was banned from KS for disagreeing with people and for trying to expose scoundrels who were, and still are, wrongfully taking advantage of people. So...what's the problem? For those who think that the "core" is beyond "playing games" or acting in a puerile nature, hop on over and take a look at the stabs they continue to take at us (Oldherper and Felice) without uttering a word over here. The only reason they won't come here is because they don't have the same power to get our posts deleted that they have over there. PROOF'S IN THE PUDDIN'! What does that tell you? It tells me they have alot to hide.
 
Questions for Chris Raden ("Gila")

Wes Pollock, a senior and extremely vocal member of the BOI who, no doubt, shares your venom for Chis Kennard and I made the following comment on page 21 of this thread:

"In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice"


In this statement, Wes, despite his animosity, implies that we have CREDIBILITY.

You have claimed that we have no CREDIBILITY (because we disrupt KS, post using different names, etc.), and therefore none of the things we've said could possibly prove that Felice is a "Bad Guy". Well what if it were Wes, not Kennard and I, who posted the things we've said about Felice? Would you then at least acknowledege common sense observations like:

1) Felice's refusal to comment directly on the many specific issues, that underlie his "Bad Guy" reputation, is a strong indication that he is guilty?

2) Felice's inability to bring Steve Fuller here to prove Felice's accusers wrong combined with the fact that Steve Fuller is now ignoring Felice on the Indigo forum shows that Steve Fuller obviously has a problem with Felice.

3) Jeff Nichols wife didn't come on this forum to defend Felice, and her Jeff Nichols disappeared after acknowledging that he had no idea how to do a scale count to prove that his snakes were not Hybrids.

Obviously Wes, although reluctantly, was able to acknowledge the obvious. Why can't you?
 
The reason I ask you Gila is.................

Dan Felice hasn't shown up here to defend himself, although he's been lurking since day one of this thread. You are obviously his "mouth piece". I would ask Felice if I thought he had the backbone to say something himself, but he's committed to his strategy to say noyhing in order to avoid digging a deeper hole. Unfortunalety, for you, your friendship with Felice and your repeated attempts to divert this thread from the real issues, has put you in the hotseat as well. That's what aligning yourself with the "wrong crowd" (felice and Albury) will do.
 
But, more importantly...

Why hasn't Dannio brought the person he supposedly "hatched the eggs for" and the recipients of the "unaccounted for" hatchlings to this thread??? That would wrap this whole thread up. And the latter would save many folks the aggrivation of having to worry about whether or not Dan's polluted creations have infected the lineages of snakes in other people's collections.

"Jeff Nichols disappeared after acknowledging that he had no idea how to do a scale count to prove that his snakes were not Hybrids".

Actually Rob, if you go back and read the thread with your good eye, you will realize that Jeff scrammed as soon as you asked him where the supposed Texans are now, following his comment that he never said he kept them. Perhaps we'll never know why Jeff is pleading the fifth. I will say this...it is sad for the herp community that people's silence and defiance on this matter due to their hatred for us is more important than the future success of not only keeping people from being scammed or misled, but also the future success of preserving the purity of some snakes in captive populations. Granted some people aren't so concerned with that, and that is fine, but for those who are concerned, do they not have the right to buy properly represented snakes to further their campaign to keep the lineages clean within their own collections? This is difficult to do when someone deemed as "reputable" pulls a stunt like this. It makes it impossible to trust anyone anymore and could be detrimental to everyone's business...even the big-guns. Just my opinion.
 
an-al you continue to misquote me. The entire quote also asked why you and your pal kennard are so arrogantly antagonistic. You keep leaving that out. How come.

I was not reluctant to say you were right about albury. I simply stated it. Unless you are one of those little voices I carry around with me, which I doubt, please do not ASSume to know what I think or why I think it.

As far as your question about the reaction if I had been the one to question felice there are some important things about us that are different. Let me explain:

While I am outspoken I am not anywhere near as antagonistic as you. If someone disagrees with me and has a good reason to do so I don't beat them over the head with the same facts over and over and over and over again as you seem to relish doing.

I don't have it out for you or kennard. I just don't like the way you act here. So I guess I don't really like you that much either. However, I do not let it get personal or my feelings hurt the way you seem to. You sure do seem to care a whole lot what I and a few others here think about you and your pal kennard. You've made some good points and also made an ass out of yourselves more than once.

The true telling point in the difference between us is that you have lied. You have blown much of the little credibility you got for outing albury with your methods and willingness to lie eleanor, er an-al.

I can completely understand you using me to measure yourself against but, don't you think it's a little severe for you to try such a high standard right off? On the scale of some floridians you're a great guy but, you really don't make the grade, as yet, with some of us west coasters.

If you leave me alone I'll pretty much leave you alone. And you really should try not to be so arrogant or antagonistic. You're not that good. Look at Brian Oakley, now there's a good role model. Cool calm and collected. And honest. You know that's a stickler with me. You really blew it there an-al. Lighten up a tad and be honest and maybe you'll measure up someday. Maybe.

Hey, how is it you only got charged $10.00 for being banned when you came back under a false name too? Talk about playing favorites.

Wes Pollock
 
dan felice

Had to put his name in the subject line so I wouldn't get spanked by the gatekeeper. I have read this thread and check daily for updates. Guess I need a life, lol. It seems like a stalemate to me. Personally I'm gonna wait until the owners of those babies finally breed them. I suppose they could resemble the parents but then again they may not. I'm not sure what exactly happened Dan but you should address the simple question. Like who owned the parents the eggs came from. I would think you'll lose alot of customers if you don't. I have bought snakes from Dan with no problems, met Fred Albury at a show in CA long ago. I have no problems with Chris, actually I like chatting with him. That said I don't want anyone thinking I'm taking sides. I just wanted to show how someone like myself would be suspicious if someone didn't respond to a post that would harm their reputation. It doesn't matter what you have to sell if your reputation is shot. A snake is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Hopefully this will all come out when those babies produce. Ron Radloff
 
"an-al you continue to misquote me. The entire quote also asked why you and your pal kennard are so arrogantly antagonistic. You keep leaving that out. How come".

I'd be happy to answer your silly question Wes. First of all, what you call antagonistic, I call trying dilligently to make sure there are no misunderstandings about the fact that Dan misled people. I do so for the benefit of future purchasers of Texas Indigos. What's your excuse for being here other than to pick a fight? I haven't seen you address even one topic here. So far I've read several threads on these forums and have seen NO ONE as puerile and antagonistic (an-al, jerk etc.) as you. Funny, no one called you any names here. What would possess you to do so other than your hatred for someone who is stealing attention from you? Or perhaps this thread gave you yet another opportunity to snatch a handful of attention. Your attitude tells me that you are angry because someone you loath is right and you HATE THAT!

"I was not reluctant to say you were right about albury. I simply stated it. Unless you are one of those little voices I carry around with me, which I doubt, please do not ASSume to know what I think or why I think it".

The "ASSume" reference is just yet another perfect example of your "arrogantly antagonistic" and might I add, childish, behaviour.

"While I am outspoken I am not anywhere near as antagonistic as you. If someone disagrees with me and has a good reason to do so I don't beat them over the head with the same facts over and over and over and over again as you seem to relish doing".

I'd be willing to bet that many people here would agree that you are far more than "anywhere near as antagonistic" than anyone here. Your self appointed arrogance is suffocating! I don't think I've ever read a post of yours that wasn't cloaking an insult or being rude and arrogant or that didn't contain inappropriate language as this one. I personally believe you act that way because you are trying to impress people here with that "I'm a toughguy BS, but that's just my opinion. As far as stating facts over and over, it's because we have to keep defending those facts to people like you who continue to "arrogantly antagonize" us in an effort to get us kicked off instead of trying to find the truth and also because no one seems to want to refute anything we say with something substantial. All we here from you and your pals is "credibility this" and KS troll that". Have you any "facts" to contribute to the topic here? I didn't think so. The only reason you are here is to TRY to "show off" for your little Dream Team.

"I don't have it out for you or kennard. I just don't like the way you act here. So I guess I don't really like you that much either. However, I do not let it get personal or my feelings hurt the way you seem to. You sure do seem to care a whole lot what I and a few others here think about you and your pal kennard. You've made some good points and also made an ass out of yourselves more than once".

More "arrogantly antagonistic" opinions. Be careful, your anger is showing. And please don't patronize. You do have it out for us. I thought you were somewhat honest until you made that comment. Oh, and trust me, we put no stock in your opinions! So please, don't flatter yourself.

"The true telling point in the difference between us is that you have lied. You have blown much of the little credibility you got for outing albury with your methods and willingness to lie eleanor, er an-al".

Another testament to your "arrogant antagonism". What's the matter Wes? Can't you make a statement without the condescention and name calling? I can see why people hold you in such high regard here, lol. Or is that just self proclaimed? I'll go with the latter. In any case, I find it interesting that you admit that Dan looks wrong here, but since our "credibility" is in question, would you buy those "Texas" Indigos?

"I can completely understand you using me to measure yourself against but, don't you think it's a little severe for you to try such a high standard right off? On the scale of some floridians you're a great guy but, you really don't make the grade, as yet, with some of us west coasters".

Don't make the grade with West Coasters??? OH DEAR GOD, NO! ANYTHING BUT THAT! HOW WILL WE SLEEP TONIGHT?

"If you leave me alone I'll pretty much leave you alone. And you really should try not to be so arrogant or antagonistic. You're not that good. Look at Brian Oakley, now there's a good role model. Cool calm and collected. And honest. You know that's a stickler with me. You really blew it there an-al. Lighten up a tad and be honest and maybe you'll measure up someday. Maybe".

This is my favorite!!! First of all, since you hold yourself to have such "high standards", why use Oakley as an exaple instead of yourself? Oh yeah, the word role model threw that out the window, lol. By the way, if gaining acceptance here or anywhere on the planet means that I have to measure up to you, I'd rather be hated.But I digress. You said, "if you leave me alone I'll pretty much leave you alone". How do you explain your presence here??? No one bothered you, and all of a sudden voila! Here you come with your ARROGANTLY ANTAGONISTIC post......

"Is this a pissing match between an-al and kennard vs. anyone who, while agreeing with them in total disagrees with their methods or is a thread about dan's mis-representation of his stock? It's really getting hard to tell.

You two, an-al and kennard, seem to think that just because you were behind the outing of albury that you are some sort of detective gods here. You ain't. You may be members but, that does not give you the right to jump all over anyone who questions your methods. In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice but, why are you such arrogant antagonistic jerks all the time?

Lighten up boys.

Wes Pollock


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Hmmm, what possibly could have possessed you to fly off the handle in a thread that has nothing to do with you and that no one MADE you read? And the language...pshaw. In any case...

"In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice..."

THANKS AGAIN WES, BUDDY!
 
Ron...

"Had to put his name in the subject line so I wouldn't get spanked by the gatekeeper".

LOL! This thread needed that!

Nicely put. Thanks for getting us back on track here. Those are the questions that I feel would wrap this mess up.
 
Ron...

"Personally I'm gonna wait until the owners of those babies finally breed them".

The problem is, we don't know who the owners of those babies are.
 
Wes, your juvenile post is another "cry for help"....

so here's a clue. This thread is about warning others about a "Bad Guy". I commend you for voicing your opinion that Chris Kennard and I are right when we say that Dan Felice is a "Bad Guy". However, rather than stating HOW and WHY you have arrived at that conclusion (which might help others to "see the light" about Felice), you chose to blather about your irrelevant dislike of my "methods". Nobody cares and you've only make yourself look small.

Now here's a chance for you, Wes, to engage is some constructive discussion about the RELEVANT facts of this thread. So far only "Discern" and "Herphobbyist" have 'weighed in" on the actual issues. If you have a LEGITIMATE concern for what the BOI was designed to achieve, you will restrict your comments to what are your thoughts on the following seven issues. Otherwise, all that pontificating that you do regarding your interpretation of the TOS has only made a HYPOCRITE out of you!

The issues..............................
1) Felice crossed an Eastern Indigo with a Unicolored Cribo.

2) Felice sold two of the offspring, and did in fact represent them as the crosses that they were to Chris Kennard and his brother Joe.

3) Chris Kennard and Dan Felice were friends, and Felice laughed when Kennard named Felice's dirty little secret of crossing Indigos "Project Blue Book".

4) Felice sold and misrepresented some of the offspring to Steve Fuller and Bobby Lee. He lied, saying that the offspring were Texas Indigos. He told Chris Kennard that he hoped Steve Fuller would not find out (How's that for "DECEPTION" Wendy?).

5) Steve Fuller, in turn, sold, and, most likely, unknowingly misrepresented, two of those offspring to Jeff Nichols and his wife.

6) After Nichol's wife bragged on the KS Indigo forum the day they received what they thought were "Texas indigos" from Steve Fuller and Bobby Lee, Jeff Nichols refuses to say whether or not he still has those snakes. Nichols also refuses to post pictures of the snakes.

7) Chris Kennard received five death threats in the mail following his comments on this thread about Felice.

Any constructive thoughts Wes?
 
Yup an-al I've got a couple of thoughts. There was a discussion aobut what to do with a horse once you've beaten it so much that it is tenerized beyond recognition. BBQ was the general consensus.

How many times do you have to make a point before you believe someone believes you? 100? 200? 1000?

Even though I do agree with you guys on this one as well as the albury one you seem to miss that time and time again. How can such clever guys as you and kennard keep missing that? Something got your dander up?

felice has dug himself a pretty deep hole here. Anyone that you think disagrees with you, even when they don't, is treated pretty poorly by you. THAT IS MY ENTIRE POINT.

kennard, I don't feel I'm all that great a measuring stick and that Brian would be a better one. Was it really that hard to figure out? After all I have managed to get myself booted here. Then again, maybe I'm just the right measuring stick for you two.

Seems the two of you waste an awful lot of time with me if I'm so inconsequential.

No, I would not buy anything from felice.

I think that covers everything. If you're not sure, take a deep breath and read it again. You two seem to think that I'm on felice's side. Then again, it sometimes seems that saying you two think is a bit of a stretch. I suspect most of us got your points about the hundreth time you pounded them out. The subsequent nine hundred repetitions have just been tedious.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes...........

You say:

"Felice has dug himself a pretty deep hole here."

and

"No, I would not buy anything from Felice"

Again, THANK YOU WES!



I've quoted your above comments here to spare the innocent from having to wade though your endless diatribes just to get to the only relevant comments.

As far as your endless droning about my "methods", your ridiculous opinions do not concern me in the least. Wes, you are DISMISSED!
 
chris kennard

Chris,
We may not know who bought the babies from Dan.. BUT they know who they are. I would be very surprised if something other than a Texan hatched out and they didn't say something! I know I'd be screaming my butt off. I just don't understand why someone would risk a hard earned reputation when a simple answer can fix it. I can honestly say when I chat with you or Dan it is strictly about our snakes. Never do we chat about this topic in private. I hope to purchase from all involved here if its something I want. I already have texans so I won't be needing them. Well good luck to everyone with the babies. I am surprised you don't come here and express your thoughts. Ron Radloff
 
Ron...

I've considered the possibility that not everyone who has those babies knows that the BOI exists. That's why I think it's important for Dan to step up to bat and disclose who got them and who he supposedly hatched the eggs for. I already know he hatched the crosses himself for himself, but since he has a contradicting story, you would think he'd be gung-ho to prove me wrong. Perhaps your right in that time will tell, unless of course someone discovers this thread and has something provocative to add. Good luck with your Texans and your Pits! Take care...
 
Wes...

"Anyone that you think disagrees with you, even when they don't, is treated pretty poorly by you".

Nobody was treated poorly by us unless they treated us poorly from the start. If you want proof, go find the posts you are referring to where we treated someone poorly and I'll show you a post where they started with an "arrogantly antagonistic" post. Shall we start with the first thread from you, Wendy, Gila or Wraith??? Oh wait a sec, you guys are the only ones we "treated poorly", lol. Go figure. Diddums we hurt your wittle feewings? Shall I post the first post you each submitted or do you get the picture? You guys brought the real venom to this thread with your condescending wisecracks and your inappropriate language. The ONLY reason you showed up here is because you don't like us and are starving for attention. I personally will not entertain your frivolous, irrelevant posts any longer as your agenda is clear, unless of course you have a question or comment directly related to proving anything pertaining to the topic of this thread. Boy that'll make things quiet here, lol. So long Wes.
 
You know kennard, I re-read the last few pages of this thread. Go to page 28 and read what I believe is your three hundredth recap of the facts.

You and an-al made some good points but the two of you are so full of crap your eyes must be brown. Santimonious ego-inflated windbags also comes to mind when thinking of you two.

You and your pal an-al have continually brought my name up in this thread, much like any other where someone, mostly me I admit but I am hardly alone, has questioned your heavyhandedness with your tactics. YOU GUYS keep referring to me. You ask why, I answer, you play dumb(or maybe you're not playing, I'll have to consider that more) and then go on in the same bulldozer manner.

Let me sum up for the final, I hope, time:

you did find out some facts about felice. The question that has really been bugging me chris is WHY didn't you tell anyone about it two years ago. Do you lie for all your buddies or was it just felice? How do we know that you are telling the truth? You knew, according to you that he sold/bred/hatched cross bred indigos AND YOU DID NOT DO A SINGLE THING TO BRING IT TO ANYONES ATTENTION. YOU ARE GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY IN THIS DEAL BECAUSE YOU KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING.

Right? If you knew a crime was being comitted and did nothing to stop it you are as guilty of it as felice is. But he was your buddy so it was ok. Gotcha, I understand. As long as you OK it there is not a problem with cross breeding and selling the offspring as pure.

Whatever. You two have beat this thing to death and then some. I don't know of anyone who thinks felice is innocent. I know a lot of us would like him to come here and say he is or prove it. Doesn't look likely at this point. There, I've said it AGAIN. Did it sink in this time???

I do question your morales kunnard. You lied for him so long as he was your friend. Then you had a falling out and "told the truth." Yup, you're the man to be trusted. An-al if you've got any secrets you don't want out that kunnard knows you better NEVER piss him off.

Quite the tag team you guys are. It's no wonder pro wrestling is known for having such an intelligent audiance with wonders like you two in starring roles.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes......................

You say:

"I don't know of anyone who thinks felice is innocent. I know a lot of us would like him to come here and say he is or prove it. Doesn't look likely at this point."

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU WES!


You say:

"It's no wonder pro wrestling is known for having such an intelligent audiance with wonders like you two in starring roles."


"Audiance" is spelled wrong Wes (s/b audience)! And what did you say about intelligence?


Regarding your effort to portray Chris Kennard as though he were just as culpable as Felice, because Kennard knew about Felice's seedy ways, yet said nothing: GO AHEAD AND START YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT CHRIS KENNARD SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE SO OUTRAGED! (LOL!) By the way, you might want to read this thread again before you, yet again, end up looking like an idiot, as Kennard has already addressed your irrelevant observation. Chris Raden already made the same mistake.

Finally Wes, your repeated attempts to get attention in this thread, the same way that you bounce from thread to thread on this site looking to stir up trouble, reminds me of "a penny waiting for change".
 
Wes...

Care to elaborate on this statement?...

"I do question your morales kunnard. You lied for him so long as he was your friend".

What do you base this statement on??? Who did I lie to? And exactly what lie did I tell? I never told anyone anything because I had no evidence, thus not lying about anything. I didn't have the evidence I needed to say anything until TexIndigo Gal posted a revealing account of who those offspring were originally sold to and at the time I didn't know about the BOI. At the time we joked about "Project Bluebook", the snakes were all in Dan's possession with the exception of the one he properly represented to my brother as a cross, thus none being sold and misrepresented as Texas Indigos...yet. I did not know he would sell them as Texans at first and when I found out, I returned the one he gave to me. From now on, perhaps you could just ask me your questions without being a pompous and arrogant, immature, accusatory child with little knowledge of the facts. How many e-mails did you recieve before putting that fictitious little ditty together, lol. Stick to drawing your own conclusions without the counsel of the idiots who coached you on that post. At least you finally brought something "on topic" to the table. Sorry you've been misinformed though. Who was that you said I lied to? What exactly did I say when "said" lie was told by me? Please quote me word for word, lol. By the way, as I've said before, I have a clean slate. I've never misrepresented an animal or had a deal gone bad. Nice try though. But if you want to start a "bad guy" thread on me, lol, by all means, quote away. Surely you have alot of dirt on me. Make sure you start with...

"Chris is a terrible guy because he wants people here to be protected from being misled and ripped off. I hate him for that"!
 
Wes Pollock....................

Maybe I can save you some embarassment Wes.................
Obviously, you've completely missed the boat! Chris Raden went down the same dead end as you are now, and looked pretty bad for doing so. At least he, apparently, realized this and disappeared with his tail between his legs. I don't think that you have the capacity to know when you are making a fool of yourself, so here's some more clues just for you Wes:

1) There's nothing wrong with crossing Indigo's, so even if Chris Kennard, not Felice, were the one who bred an Eastern Indigo to a Unicolored Cribo HE WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.

2) "Project Blue Book" was coined to represent the fact that Felice didn't want the "core" members of the KS Indigo forum to know that he was committing the biggest "no-no" possible within that circle. It was very important to Felice to deceive the "Good Ol' Boys' there into thinking that he was a solid "core" member who was appalled at the though of crossing the most elite snake on the planet! So, initially, "Project Blue Book" had nothing to do with SELLING snakes. (Am I going slow enough for you so far?)

3) Later, Felice mentioned to his friend at the time, Chris Kennard, that he was misrepresenting his crosses as "Texans" to a guy named Steve, and he "hoped that Steve wouldn't find out the truth". This is where Felice committed a "crime", as you so eloquently put it.

4) At this point, Kennard didn't know who "Steve" was, nor did he care. In addition, he knew nothing about Fauna Classifieds and he was friends with Felice, so why would he be obligated to say anything, and to whom?

5) As Kennard already spelled out on this thread (learn how to read Wes), he found out who "Steve" was when Jeff Nichol's wife posted on KS in 10/03. That's when kennard "spilled the beans" on KS, and yes, he and Felice were no longer friends.

6) Kennard did not start this thread on Fauna. Felice, in response to the negative publicity on KS about his reputation, obviously manipulated Lee McMurtry into posting a pre-emptive "Good Guy" thread about Felice (LOL!).

7) Kennard didn't post here until Chris Raden bashed him on the first page of this thread.

So you see Wes, it's all very simple. Felice is a "Bad Guy" because he ripped Steve Fuller off. Chris kennard is a "Good Guy" because he exposed Felice.

Now if you want to continue to somehow turn this thread into a "Bad Guy" thread about Kennard, I have a some simple question for you:

You've indicated many times on this thread that you believe Felice is guilty, so, knowing what you know now, WHY HAVEN'T YOU REPORTED FELICE TO THE POLICE???????


You now know what Kennard knows about Felice and you've accused Kennard of being just as guilty as Felice (LOL!). Wouldn't your pretzel logic also make YOU just as guilty as Felice?

Give up Wes, your rap is very tired!
 
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