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Dan Felice - Good Guy

Wes...

"If anyone who has his babies breeds them together that should let you know if he did or not"

Totally irrelevant Wes and you know it. A moot point to say the least. There might be some odd looking babies, there might not. Maybe they'll all look just the parents. The "oddballs" may not show up for a generation or two and please don't pretend that you don't know this snakeman. I know that you would like everyone here to believe that fallacy that the babies will be the "tell-all" with regard to proving whether I'm right or wrong, but you are way off base. In any case, that's not even an issue here. Rob and I don't need to see babies to "let us know" if he did or not. He did it, I know it, now so do you.

kennard, I am not saying I don't believe what you are saying here. I have a feeling you're right but I don't know that for sure. I will clue you two into something here. It's not a contest to see who's right or wrong. Your coming on here time and time again is not helping your case.

Please don't confuse me for someone who needs your endorsement Wes. While I appreciate your opinion with regard to me being "right", I don't think that your even remotely being on my side will help my case in light of your posts here. I certainly don't need someone like you to "clue" me into anything here. Perhaps I should clue you in on something here. Your coming on here time and time again is not contributing a thing to this topic. Who has the babies Wes? Who is the guy who Dan supposedly "hatched" the eggs for? What is Dan's "version" to Lee? What did Jeff Nichols do with his offspring? Why are you here???

"Save it an-al/elenor/rob, I don't want to hear why I'm wrong and you're right YET again. Been there, done that. You an-al/elenor/rob I would not believe if it was only you as you have proven yourself as unable to be trusted. kennard has a slight bit of credibility even now but the two of you are SO DAMN OLD with this thing that I haven't even read it in the last two days".

What's your role in this exactly other than to disagree with us and our methods? You invited yourself to this thread and have been voluntarily reading and posting here. So please, stop with the melodramatics as if it is painful for you to post here or read this thread. You're fooling no one. Judging from your participation in so many threads here that don't concern you, one would have to conclude that you live for this. In other words Wes, you enjoy this.

Please, if you're going to quote me use the entire line and quit taking things out of context to suit your needs. I'm sort of tired of this coming back to explain what I REALLY said game you keep playing.

A testament to the fact that you are enjoying this since you continue to entertain the "game" he keeps "playing". It takes two to play a game. If you're so tired of coming back, then don't. Trust me, your tiring bullying tactics and suffocating arrogance won't be missed!

"If you really want to prove that felice did this heinous deed find some of the offspring and breed them".

If I find some of the offspring, I would have to buy them to breed them. I don't buy crosses. Nice try Wes!
 
Wes...

" I will clue you two into something here. It's not a contest to see who's right or wrong.

That's right, it's not a contest! It's a campaign to prove a wrongful act was commited. So long as people like yourself keep questioning the veracity of my posts, I will defend them without prejudice for the benefit of people who don't want to be misled in the future.

" Your coming on here time and time again is not helping your case".

That's nothing more to me than an opinion from a guy who is frustrated from taking so many beatings from two guys he hates. You will say almost anything in a desperate attempt to discredit us whether you believe us or not just because you "don't like us". Never mind what this board is here for Wes. You are the furthest thing from a selfless person that I've ever had the pleasure of engaging. If anyone is turning this into a "wrong/right" contest, it's YOU! Your opinions on this matter are weak at best. Give it up.
 
Wes Pollock has "CHANGED HIS TUNE"

In a new development in the Felice case, Wes Pollock has revealed in the "Hell" forum (Pollock/Gubitz) thread that he no longer knows whether he believes that Felice is Guilty or not. This new position of We's is in stark contrast to the many comments made by Wes on this thread that state that it is OBVIOUS that Felice is guilty. What is it that changed Wes's position so drastically? An email that Wes claims Felice sent him, that's what. But there's a snag! Wes refuses to post the email that he claims has information that led him to re-evaluate his own position on Felice. I'm sure that if he were to post that email on this thread, where it belongs, maybe "Newbies", or others making serious inquiries about Felice, will have a much better basis for assessing the risk of dealing with someone who has been given a bad reputation as a result of Wes derogatory comments about Felice on this thread. Since Wes has now "changed his tune", I believe that he should come on here and explain his new attitude about Felice.


The following is post, mad in "hell", by Davey Fig. I believe that Davey sums the situation up rather nicely:

The following is an excellent post by Davey Fig:

"posted on both hell threads
I apologize to you now Wes. I see now that your"180" was more of a 90° turn. However, you were very hardcore in your persuit of truth in the Felice thread, even a little over the top. All of the bad things that you said were public, all of the stuff you based those things on were public.

Now, you are not so sure, and that is fine. I often read threads where I feel very strongly about something, and am enlightened by something within the thread and have a change of heart. If you think that a lot of the things that were said in that thread could be wrong, and have information that would lead the common reader into rethinking his stance on the issue, are you not doing a disservice by holding that information?

That thread makes Felice look pretty bad, and you have something that could neutralize the publics view of him. Why not share?

Its basically like running into a bar yealling "This guy [**censored**]ed my wife, beat my kids and ate my big piece of chicken", and getting the whole place riled up, and then talking to him in the parking lot, findidng out it wasn't him, saying sorry, and NOT going back to tell everyone that there is something else they should know.

It seems like you are hiding this information only to keep yourself from being embarassed, but we know you had a change of opinion, I just think it needs to be shared, so that maybe it would help others see the light"

For starters Wes, would you please post that email that Felice sent you?
 
Regarding that email.......

here is Wes's stance:

"If anyone other that kunny or an-al wants to see the email felice sent me, email me and if you’ve been a member more than six months, I don’t trust those two not to try to get it with an alias, I will forward it to you. I do not want the tweedletwins to read it. I am just being vindictive here because I really don’t like them and I REALLY think they’d like to know what felice had to say. It’s sort of like the playground bully holding the ball just out of reach of the little kids and telling them to JUMP"


I believe that Wes should put his petty "playground bully" tactics aside in "the interest of truth", which is a phrase that Wes has attributed to himself many times over. Let "the interest of truth" guide you to do the right thing here Wes!
 
I couldn't agree more Rob...

These are some of the very strong quotes by Wes Pollock in this thread...

" I don't know of anyone who thinks felice is innocent. I know a lot of us would like him to come here and say he is or prove it. Doesn't look likely at this point. There, I've said it AGAIN. Did it sink in this time???"

"In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice"

"How many times do you have to make a point before you believe someone believes you?"

" Even though I do agree with you guys on this one as well as the albury one you seem to miss that time and time again. How can such clever guys as you and kennard keep missing that?"

"felice has dug himself a pretty deep hole here."

" No, I would not buy anything from felice."

"kennard, I am not saying I don't believe what you are saying here. I have a feeling you're right "


In speaking with felice myself, well by email in the interest of truth, and hearing/reading some points about kennard and an-al that he did not make on the thread about him, I must say that I do indeed have my doubts and reservations whereas before those doubts were scant".

Enter the new information that Wes supposedly has that would absolve Dan of some of the suspicion he is subject to. By Wes...

"In speaking with felice myself, well by email in the interest of truth, and hearing/reading some points about kennard and an-al that he did not make on the thread about him, I must say that I do indeed have my doubts and reservations whereas before those doubts were scant".

I felt this this was open to interpretation leaving him the benefit of the doubt until I read another statement by Wes...

"I have excercised my right as a thinking reasoning being to take into account information to which I was not previously privy and publicly state that I can no longer state with the conviction I previously posessed that felice crossed those drymarchons".

Pretty strong words Wes. Don't you owe it to Dan to post something that would soften the blow you gave him previously? After all, by your own admission, you need proof of your accusations. You said it yourself in a post to Sal...

"As you know from previous dealings with the BOI, you really need to provide proof of your accusations".
A list written by you with amounts of what YOU say you paid for the animals is simply NOT good enough.
Let's see some invoices. Let's see some reciepts".

"Have you made good an ALL the bad deals you had out and uncompleted? All the cages that were never shipped or broken during shipping have been made good on? All the animals you sold to people have been shipped and were honestly represented"?

"Please post proof that what you say is true. Verifiable proof that can be checked for veracity by readers here. If that proof is not forthcoming or is for ANY reason unavailable.......... well someone said Karma was going to get you someday. Is it today or do you have the proof"?
Wes Pollock
 
Wes...

"I can no longer state with the conviction I previously posessed that felice crossed those drymarchons".

That must have been an incredibly convincing e-mail. That would imply that I have lied about something regarding this matter. You have expressed your hatred for me many times. Why would you suppress something that would make me look bad?
 
Nice try kunnard but, like I said previously I WILL NOT post that email where you can read it.

I will gladly send out 8,000+ emails to fauna readers who ARE NOT you or your parntner in slime an-al.

Anyone who wants to see it and has been a member here at least 6 months, as both of these crybabies are known for using multiple personalities, I will gladly forward you a copy of the email felice sent to me, completely unsolicited and unexpectedly. He just figured a little background on kennard would be useful and I think he was right.

Just like I will continue the saga of my upbringing in the trailor that my uncle owns with my eleventy six or eleventy seven, never did get an accurate count, brothers and sisters and our adventures with that big ol' wolf looking dog that used to give the littleuns rides on her back.

You SURE were interested in the FIRST chapter of that one weren't you kennard. In fact if I recall CORRECTLY, you BELIEVED the whole thing was TRUE, lock stock and barrel.

It was because of that belief that I through out the little quip that has chapped your hide ever since.

I had the audacity to wonder if someone with the mental fortitude, or lack thereof, to believe my bit of MAKE BELIEVE might not have the HABIT of believing EVERYTHING he's told, be it true or not.

It's not MY FAULT you can't tell good writing/story telling from reality. Nor is it my fault that, having SO BLATANTLY fallen for it once, that I wonder if it is within the realm of possibility that maybe, just perhaps, it was NOT THE FIRST time you had done that.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes...

Your childish excuses and personal vendettas are unacceptable and unequivocally detrimental to the success of the BOI that you have the PRIVILEGE of using. You are making a mockery of this board. Your unacceptable use of language should be left in the "Hell" forum where it belongs.
 
Wes

"Nice try kunnard but, like I said previously I WILL NOT post that email where you can read it.

I will gladly send out 8,000+ emails to fauna readers who ARE NOT you or your parntner in slime an-al.

Anyone who wants to see it and has been a member here at least 6 months, as both of these crybabies are known for using multiple personalities, I will gladly forward you a copy of the email felice sent to me, completely unsolicited and unexpectedly. He just figured a little background on kennard would be useful and I think he was right"


Why are you so suddenly committed a "behind-the-scenes" Modus Operandi? You vow to go to great lengths (Privately sending 8,000 emails) to keep vital information off the BOI. Why? Are you afraid that, as Davey Fig suggested, you will be embarassed that the email contains absolutely nothing that would change a reasonable man's mind regarding Felice? Will that email show that you are now making a mockery of the BOI by flip-flopping on a matter that involves someone's reputation solely for the attempt to show that Kennard beilived a "story" by Felice. Do you have any respect for the BOI? If so, stand behind your opinions and post that email if you have nothing to hide!
 
Wes...

"He just figured a little background on kennard would be useful and I think he was right".

That's interesting that you got information that would make me look bad and are afraid to expose me to the opportunity to refute it. Perhaps your interest in keeping it concealed is more selfish than I had originally thought.
 
Webslave, sorry Hell is leaking all over today. Some of its members really SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to post anywhere BUT hell, and yes I mean an-al and kennard.

In the interest of truth I am posting IN TOTAL a post I put in hell.

an-al and his ponypal kennard take quotes from different threads about different issues and try to use them to mean things different from that which the original authors meant.

They insert words NEVER said by the author, words said ONLY by an-al and kennard, and try to pass them off as having been said by the original author. They do not attribute the quotes they use to either the thread they come from or even to the author often enough to keep track of who said what. Both an-al and kennard have lied about things I have said and not said to TRY and convince readers that what THEY say is the truth.

They are desparate to see the email felice sent me and I will not let them get their grubby little paws on it and they are FURIOUS about that. That fury has resulted in the tantrum that has now spilled over into the BOI.

My appologies as it is, if you look at it just crooked enough, my fault. Not since kennyboy yates has anyone been so easy to infuriate.

wilomn said:
The below quote is from page 5 of the felice thread located here http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30174&perpage=5&pagenumber=5 and here is the quote from kunnard


Jeff (sigh)
"My mind is most certainly not made up. However, in reading most of your posts I feel that you are making leading comments. Comments crafted to take a reader to the conclusion you wish them to draw".

Trust me, your "mind", "most certainly" not being "made up" is not a great concern of mine. Let me remind you that I originally came here to defend myself, not to cater to you.

"1. A hook-up between an Eastern and a Uni at Dans house.
2. That hook-up produced a viable clutch that was incubated to term by Dan.
3. Dan deliberately misrepresented those offspring as Texans to his customers".

These things happened. I answered the first, have stated the third, which means the second would have to exist, lol. A child could have figured that out.


"Those sort of statements go a long way towards substantiating your allegation, and putting you on record.
Anything short of that sort of account of the events is not sufficient to lay to rest other possibilities."


Record, lol. What record? Is that why you think I'm here? I didn't come here to lay anything "to rest" or to get "on record".


"I would offer that you do have something to gain here. You and Dan appear to have had a falling out. Circumstances of which are none of my business, but vindictiveness can be a powerful motive".



I am not here to "gain" anything. There is nothing to "gain" I've lost a friend who I happen to like pal. If thinking that I am being "vindictive" makes you cozy and warm inside because you think it lends creedence to that fact that your "spousel unit" is holding pure Texans, happy herping! But don't come on here with your condescending remarks and expect me to be cooperative. Perhaps you could answer a few questions yourself. How many e-mails have you and Dan exchanged on this matter? When was the last one? What was his side of the story to you. What was his excuse for not defending himself here? What was his response to your questions to him about selling my brother one of the offspring as crosses? What was his response to you with regard to "Project Bluebook"? If you haven't exchanged e-mails regarding this matter and asked him these questions, why not? He has had visitors from the Indigo forum in 02. Why hasn't he solicited them to testify that they saw Texas Indigos at his house. Why would I make up such an elaborate story about this isolated (hopefully) incident? Can you possibly be this dense? I think I've said all that need be said. Any more questions, ask Dan. Listen, I know it's no fun realizing that you've been had, but don't "kill" the messenger. Go to the source of the problem and start demanding answers on here from Dan Felice. I have taken the time to post at length on your behalf. Dan hasn't. Enough said.
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Chris Kennard



This next quote is also from kunnard in the same thread. It’s VERY interesting. This post is on page 4 of that thread.

So it appears that having never seen ACTUAL copulation, and from what kunnard says he was there to see but did not actually VERIFY, he has now come to the conclusion that there was not only a fertile breeding but that eggs were laid, hatched and sold. All this based on pure speculation. Something smells fishy here.

“I was a regular guest at Dan's house and saw those snakes on a regular bases. Did I take a microscope and invade the snakes' privacy to see if there was penetration? No, I didn't.”

Once again, kunnard DID NOT VERIFY that ANY SNAKES bred. OK, gotcha.



The next quote is from felice. Knowing kunnard as I now do and having had my turn as recipiant of his ceaseless posts I can FULLY understand the desire to simply f#ck with his mind. Hmmmmm, didn’t I unintentionally do that myself? Seems it’s not that hard to do and little kunnard doesn’t like it being known too much. Poor gullible kunny.


"yeah stupid, there was a fib told......to you about 2 years ago precisely for
the reason you constantly demonstrate here.....YOUR A BIG MOUTH!!! you sound
like an 11 year old girl! and btw, who made you prosecutor and answerable to
anyway????? are you like an idiot or something mr. 'i'll save you guys'? WE know
what's going on, YOU don't and that's the way WE like it. too bad you weren't
born in 1929......you would've been PERFECT hitler youth material. you know, the
little snitches that ran around telling on everyone in town? you're a FREAKIN'
disgrace i swear to God!! and cunnard, that's how EVERYONE feels about you. your
word is WORTHLESS @ KS. you have succeeded in being despised and banned in every
forum there is. oh, and i guess you forgot your password again huh 'brain cell'?
that's why your on your 120th name change. gee, and all this time i thought it
was because of your loathful approach personality. now, a little refresher
course mentally challenged one: everybody's happy, you're in the dark [as usual]
and your 'services' are no longer required. OR, you can just keep fanatically
ranting like retardo boy. knock yourself out sport........."


Now, this next little tidbit was posted by kunny. The first bit is felice and then kunny comes in. Very interesting to say the least. It’s on page 12 of the felice thread.

"no cunnard, i don't know what you mean. i haven't a clue......you are beyond
hope at this point. i feel very, very sorry for you. LAST WORD SMOOTH: you were
never in the loop. you only have yourself to blame for that."

”Why would I EVER want to be part of a "loop" that condones your actions? I'm happy to blame myself for disassociating myself with fraudulant behavior.”


So, apparently, if kunny is to be believed, he KNEW that felice was engaging in fraudulent behavior and condoned it.



I now suspect that I may, just may have backed the wrong horse in backing little kunny against felice. However, felice is not coming off all sweetness either. I still have my doubts about both of them.

This is my FIRST post in this thread and appears on page 21

Is this a pissing match between an-al and kennard vs. anyone who, while agreeing with them in total disagrees with their methods or is a thread about dan's mis-representation of his stock? It's really getting hard to tell.

You two, an-al and kennard, seem to think that just because you were behind the outing of albury that you are some sort of detective gods here. You ain't. You may be members but, that does not give you the right to jump all over anyone who questions your methods. In the end you were right with albury and it sure seems you are with felice but, why are you such arrogant antagonistic jerks all the time?

Lighten up boys.

Wes Pollock


I believe the following is my 4th or 5th post on this thread.
an-al you continue to misquote me. The entire quote also asked why you and your pal kennard are so arrogantly antagonistic. You keep leaving that out. How come.

I was not reluctant to say you were right about albury. I simply stated it. Unless you are one of those little voices I carry around with me, which I doubt, please do not ASSume to know what I think or why I think it.

As far as your question about the reaction if I had been the one to question felice there are some important things about us that are different. Let me explain:

While I am outspoken I am not anywhere near as antagonistic as you. If someone disagrees with me and has a good reason to do so I don't beat them over the head with the same facts over and over and over and over again as you seem to relish doing.

I don't have it out for you or kennard. I just don't like the way you act here. So I guess I don't really like you that much either. However, I do not let it get personal or my feelings hurt the way you seem to. You sure do seem to care a whole lot what I and a few others here think about you and your pal kennard. You've made some good points and also made an ass out of yourselves more than once.

The true telling point in the difference between us is that you have lied. You have blown much of the little credibility you got for outing albury with your methods and willingness to lie eleanor, er an-al.

I can completely understand you using me to measure yourself against but, don't you think it's a little severe for you to try such a high standard right off? On the scale of some floridians you're a great guy but, you really don't make the grade, as yet, with some of us west coasters.

If you leave me alone I'll pretty much leave you alone. And you really should try not to be so arrogant or antagonistic. You're not that good. Look at Brian Oakley, now there's a good role model. Cool calm and collected. And honest. You know that's a stickler with me. You really blew it there an-al. Lighten up a tad and be honest and maybe you'll measure up someday. Maybe.

Hey, how is it you only got charged $10.00 for being banned when you came back under a false name too? Talk about playing favorites.

Wes Pollock

this one is from page 32 by an-al



”Regarding your effort to portray Chris Kennard as though he were just as culpable as Felice, because Kennard knew about Felice's seedy ways, yet said nothing: GO AHEAD AND START YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT CHRIS KENNARD SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE SO OUTRAGED! (LOL!) By the way, you might want to read this thread again before you, yet again, end up looking like an idiot, as Kennard has already addressed your irrelevant observation. Chris Raden already made the same mistake.”


Then there is this gem from kunny himself. Note how HE has put in quotes a sentence at the end. Who here thinks he may have meant others to think that I, spelled with a capitol letter I, wrote that line? I didn’t. Just another of his efforts to PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH THAT I NEVER SAID. It is also on page 32.

But if you want to start a "bad guy" thread on me, lol, by all means, quote away. Surely you have alot of dirt on me. Make sure you start with...

"Chris is a terrible guy because he wants people here to be protected from being misled and ripped off. I hate him for that"! THIS IS THE LINE THAT kunny SEEMINGLY WANTS ATTRIBUTED TO ME, I NEVER MADE SUCH A STATEMENT.


I believe that kunny has, at least 30 or 40 times asked someone to post proof of an-al speaking for him. I have already done so a time or two but this next one really brings it home. It is also on page 32 of the felice thread.

1) There's nothing wrong with crossing Indigo's, so even if Chris Kennard, not Felice, were the one who bred an Eastern Indigo to a Unicolored Cribo HE WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.

2) "Project Blue Book" was coined to represent the fact that Felice didn't want the "core" members of the KS Indigo forum to know that he was committing the biggest "no-no" possible within that circle. It was very important to Felice to deceive the "Good Ol' Boys' there into thinking that he was a solid "core" member who was appalled at the though of crossing the most elite snake on the planet! So, initially, "Project Blue Book" had nothing to do with SELLING snakes. (Am I going slow enough for you so far?)

3) Later, Felice mentioned to his friend at the time, Chris Kennard, that he was misrepresenting his crosses as "Texans" to a guy named Steve, and he "hoped that Steve wouldn't find out the truth". This is where Felice committed a "crime", as you so eloquently put it.

4) At this point, Kennard didn't know who "Steve" was, nor did he care. In addition, he knew nothing about Fauna Classifieds and he was friends with Felice, so why would he be obligated to say anything, and to whom?

5) As Kennard already spelled out on this thread (learn how to read Wes), he found out who "Steve" was when Jeff Nichol's wife posted on KS in 10/03. That's when kennard "spilled the beans" on KS, and yes, he and Felice were no longer friends.

6) Kennard did not start this thread on Fauna. Felice, in response to the negative publicity on KS about his reputation, obviously manipulated Lee McMurtry into posting a pre-emptive "Good Guy" thread about Felice (LOL!).

7) Kennard didn't post here until Chris Raden bashed him on the first page of this thread.


There is yet another thread about the LACK of morals in regards to kennard. It’s only about 7 pages and was started, as have all the threads I’ve started about these two, at THEIR request.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33165&perpage=5&pagenumber=2

This is from page 2 on that thread. Seamus pretty well sums things up here.

I haven't read the other thread, but there doesn't seem to be much debate here about the actions Chris took... if I recap them, can Wes and Al both verify that the impression I have formed from this thread is accurate?

Chris was friends with Dan.

Dan wanted to become considered an elite keeper on the KS forums.

Dan was creating hybrid animals and selling them as pure indigos.

Chris said nothing about this, despite his knowledge of the situation, until he and Dan had a falling out for other, undisclosed, reasons.

There is something very wrong with creating hybrid animals and representing them as being a pure species the same goes for breeding intergrades and representing them as a pure subspecies or crossing locales and forgetting to mention it. It's fraudulent and it misrepresents the product in a manner which could potentially contaminate a larger population. Without getting into my personal views about hybridization... misrepresenting an animal is clearly not ethical.

The question then becomes... is there some guilt ascribed to someone who was aware of a misrepresentation but chose not to speak up at the time because it was a friend who was commiting the act?

This is something everyone will have to answer for themselves but I beleieve that many people would see this as being wrong. By allowing a friend to do something unethical, it condones the actions and adds some guilt to anyone who knew that the misrepresentation was happening. While it can be said that Chris was unaware of who the specific cross(es?) were sold to, he still chose not to make the information public that such a sale had happened- allowing it to potentially happen to others. While it's nowhere near as bad as the original action, it's still aiding and abetting (I've been watching Law and Order and the term sounds appropriate) and while there would be no legal recourse, such an action (or inaction as the case may be) can certainly have an impact in the court of public opinion.
Seamus Haley

"Genes, like Leibnitz's monads, have no windows; the higher properties of life are emergent... And once assembled, organisms have no windows."
- Edward Wilson, Sociobiology

"Trust me, Randy knows what he's talking about." -Ian



OK, back to the felice thread, page 35. Lee McMurty wrote
Again against my better judgement...

Chris - I re-read the entire thread - all 170 posts to date. Of those posts 105 were from you or Rob Dunleavy, and doesn't include posts that Rob submitted under an alias that were removed by moderators. Now, many of those posts were your responses to people posting about you (28 posts), and I can see why you would want to defend yourself, but I do think that I can safely say that these were, for the most part, off topic. The thread, entitled "Dan Felice - Good Guy" was about my experience with Dan - other topics are, by definition, off topic. And lest you feel singled out, I felt that ALL of those posts back and forth between you and Jeff, Chris R, Wendy, Wes etc. were off topic, which is why I quit reading the thread.
Rob - I failed to find a way in which you contributed to the thread except to say, in essence "I believe what Chris has told me". Do you have any first hand knowledge of Dan and previous dealings to support the things that you allege? And why post under different names?
For both Chris and Rob - you may not like what Wes had to say, but he has a point. Especially in a forum like this, how you say things can be as important as what you say. The personal issues back and forth, the cross posting, posting under aliases - it all undermines your credibility, even if your message carries the truth. You clearly want people to believe you, to the extent of posting repeatedly about the issue, so let your actions support your words, not detract from them.
As far as the truth goes, I have no idea what the truth is in the matter of Dan and the hybrid cribos. I've heard your version, I've heard Dan's version, and there's been a lot of extraneous supposition along the way.

My my my, how interesting was that post????


Then we have this little tidbit from an-al on page 40. It seems that if I, honorary mayor of hell that I am, even IMPLY something then it must, in fact, be truth. I had no idea I was so powerful. An implication the same as fact. I must admit, I had no idea those two words meant the same thing.

Who in their right mind would start their own "bad guy" thread on Chris Kennard BASED SOLELY ON HIS KNOWING THAT FELICE CROSSED HIS INDIGO and then afterward claim that "nowhere in there did I ever state conclusively that I KNEW he did." In order to regard Kennard as guilty, isn't it IMPLIED that you have to, first, be CONVINCED of Felice's guilt?



The next bit in quotes are my words quoted by an-al in the same post as above on page 40 of the felice thread. The words following are all an-al’s. It seems that no one who he, an-al, says was ripped off by felice either was or cares enough to come here and talk about it.

"If you really want to prove that felice did this heinous deed find some of the offspring and breed them"

Sorry MR INDECISION, but we've already proved it. Felice ripping Steve Fuller WAS something that happened IN THE PAST! Felice ripping off Jeff Nichols WAS something that happened IN THE PAST! And, most important, it is now IN THE PAST that you accused Kennard as being guilty like Felice just for knowing about Felice's dirty little secret.
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In the interest of honesty I include the following post by an-al on page 40 of the felice thread. I did, when I stated the words quoted, believe that felice looked good for having crossed and sold hybrids. Needless to say I have since changed my mind and now have no idea whether or not he did. Note that I also did not say that I know of anyone who thinks felice is guilty. Of course I knew that an-al and his ponypal kunny thought he was but, I had just fertilized the roses and had no use for their comments. They simply CANNOT be trusted.

Wes
"I don't know of anyone who thinks felice is innocent. I know a lot of us would like him to come here and say he is or prove it. Doesn't look likely at this point. There, I've said it AGAIN. Did it sink in this time???"


These are YOUR words Wes - see page 32 if you have any doubt!

Pretty strong statement of your belief in his guilt, wouldn't you say?

It's certainly a far cry from your current position that "maybe his is, maybe he isn't".

Keep it real Wes!
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This next one, and sorry for sooooooooo many quotes but I want to be thorough and not have to do this again, is from kunny on page 41 of the felice thread. Somehow he has gotten into my mind and now knows what I think BETTER THAN I DO!!!!! I though only a woman could do that to a man……

"Judging from your participation in so many threads here that don't concern you, one would have to conclude that you live for this. In other words Wes, you enjoy this."

Yup ponypal, you’re right. I am here soley for the joy I derive by interaction with the likes of you and an-al.
Bugs bunny said it before and he still has it right:

WHAT A MAROON!!!

If anyone other that kunny or an-al wants to see the email felice sent me, email me and if you’ve been a member more than six months, I don’t trust those two not to try to get it with an alias, I will forward it to you. I do not want the tweedletwins to read it. I am just being vindictive here because I really don’t like them and I REALLY think they’d like to know what felice had to say. It’s sort of like the playground bully holding the ball just out of reach of the little kids and telling them to JUMP.

JUMP an-al
JUMP kunny

Wes Pollock
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Perhaps this thread should be closed with a re-direct back to hell.
 
Wes

If that email has a revelation that is so earth-shattering, given the fact that Felice's reputation was ruined once you initially voiced your opinion of his guilt on this thread, WHY DIDN"T?DOESN"T HE POST THAT REVELATION HIMSELF RIGHT ON THIS THREAD, WHERE IT COUNTS, TO SAVE HIS OWN BUTT?

I think that you are lying about having anything convincing that would have changed your mind about Felice. I think that you were so hellbent on being able to say that Kennard is capable of believing phony stories that you abandoned your true beliefs, which were expressed pretty strongly on this forum, at the expense of the BOI. You now find yourself caught in a lie, and you don't seem to know how to get out of the hole you dug. Here's a suggestion: Come clean! Either post that email or admit that your petty desire to trash Kennard got the best of you. Until you do either of those two things, I'm embarassed for you! Good luck!
 
Nice try Wes.....

but dumping all that garbage from "Hell" onto this thread won't divert anyone's attention away from the fact that you have flip-flopped about Felice AND YOU DIDN"T HAVE THE DECENCY TO POST YOUR CHANGE OF HEART ON THIS THREAD. FELICE'S REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE. YOU BURIED HIM AND LOUDLY PROCLAIMED HOW OBVIOUS IT WAS THAT HE IS GUILTY. THEN YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND AND DIDN"T THINK IT WAS WORTH MENTIONING HERE??????????? WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU? IF YOU NO LONGER THINK THAT FELICE IS GUILTY, THEN SAY SO! IF YOU THINK THAT THAT EMAIL VINDICATES FELICE, THEN, BY ALL MEANS, POST IT HERE. ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT IS CHILDISH BEHAVIOR ON YOUR PART!

You say:

"Perhaps this thread should be closed with a re-direct back to hell."

Why Wes? You are a major party to the Felice matter and that email that you claim he sent you could significantly change what people think of his reputation. Why are you in such a rush to stifle a legitimate discussion? What are YOU hiding Wes???????????????????????????????????? Let's have that email!
 
How predictable Wes...

"Perhaps this thread should be closed with a re-direct back to hell".

Of course you do! Forget about the people who this board is trying to protect. Let's just take every thread where someone exposes you for being a hypocrite and get it out of the BOI before anyone sees you for who you really are. Why do you think that you should be exempt from being placed under the same scrutiny as anyone else here? We are certainly not denying you or Dan of your ability to participate here and so far we have been quite civil, unlike you.

This thread did not originate in "Hell" Wes, thus making your statement to "redirect" it quite inacurate. This is where it belongs. If you try to turn it into a chaotic one to suit your campaign to get it out of the public eye, I hope the mods will recognize your posts as such and suspend or ban you altogether. Let's talk business Wes.
 
Boapit, you challenge Wes by saying:

"Let's talk business Wes."

In light of Wes's following comments:

"If anyone other that kunny or an-al wants to see the email felice sent me, email me and if you’ve been a member more than six months, I don’t trust those two not to try to get it with an alias, I will forward it to you. I do not want the tweedletwins to read it. I am just being vindictive here because I really don’t like them and I REALLY think they’d like to know what felice had to say. It’s sort of like the playground bully holding the ball just out of reach of the little kids and telling them to JUMP"

I don't think that Wes has any interest in "talking business" here.

He comes right out and says: "I am just being vindictive here"! "The interest of truth" that the BOI exists for has been overshadowed and dwarfed by Wes's desire to behave like the "playground bully"! Whatever happened to his description of himself as the "guard dog" that protects other Fauna members from none other than - "the playground bully"? Wes, you go ahead with your juvenile agenda to satisfy your childish desires, but remember that your refusal to post Felice's email pretty much seals your fate as someone who frequents the BOI to unleash your "schoolyard-bully" desires, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE BOI! You've shown that you have no respect for the legitimate fact-finding process that is going to take place on the BOI - WITH OR WITH OUT YOU! Whatever you do, don't let the world see that email! LOL!
 
The personal vendetta between you three needs to go back to "Hell" where it belongs. Stop dragging your bickering from that forum back to the BOI.
 
Poted by Lee Mcmurtry...

Lee Mcmurtry wrote-
"Dan's version is his to tell.
My interpretation of Dan's version would be more third-hand "evidence" and unlikely to make any difference in the minds of those who have managed to put up with this thread thus far. I will say that his version explains why Chris perceives things as he does (I am NOT saying its the truth, because I can't possibly know that. His story isn't any more or less implausible than Chris'.) He didn't say who gave him the eggs or where the hatchlings went, and I didn't ask".

Wes Pollock wrote-
"In speaking with felice myself, well by email in the interest of truth, and hearing/reading some points about kennard and an-al that he did not make on the thread about him, I must say that I do indeed have my doubts and reservations whereas before those doubts were scant".

Very telling, yet at the same time evasive, similar posts. What obligation to Dan could possibly keep you guys from exposing the excuses that Dan is relaying privately? If it was important enough to mention here and was convincing enough to you to make the readers wonder whether or not Dan is to be trusted, then why would you be so afraid to expose me to the opportunity to refute the "alibis" that Dan is dishing out privately. You guys decided to make it known that there is a possibility that I could be wrong based on private correspondance. Prove it.
 
kunnard, you and your pal an-al brought it to the BOI.

felice sent me an email. One I did not expect to recieve as I had never corresponded with him. It brought to light an interesting fact or two which DID cause me to doubt you.

Combine that with the fact that you SO READILY confuse OBVIOUS fiction like the story I wrote with reality and you have the basis for my no longer being POSITIVE that felice did as you AND YOU ALONE have claimed he did.

You and your pal an-al are sooooooooo very desparate to see that email, the one I will not post here where you can see it but will supply to anyone who is a long time member of Fauna, that you have ONCE AGAIN disregarded the DIRECT instructions to keep your mess in Hell.

I will not respond again on this thread.

I do not have to post that email JUST BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR PAL an-al want to read it. I've said that several times.

If ANYONE else would like to see it they have only to email me and ask.

That's as good as it gets.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes...

"felice sent me an email. One I did not expect to recieve as I had never corresponded with him. It brought to light an interesting fact or two which DID cause me to doubt you".

So long as you refuse to post the e-mail,any relevance to your comments is non-existent. Being such a stickler for proof and all yourself, you should know that's how it works here. You've staed as such yourself.

"Combine that with the fact that you SO READILY confuse OBVIOUS fiction like the story I wrote with reality and you have the basis for my no longer being POSITIVE that felice did as you AND YOU ALONE have claimed he did".

Explain that, please. What exactly does my entertaining a few paragraphs of a supposed "story" that you told, have to do with this matter? Dan wanted you to believe (he apparently was successful) that " there was a fib told" to me two years ago. I do not ackowledge that a "fib" or "story" existed. Your argument here is without basis and irrelevant.

Now unless you and Lee would like to submit anything that is refutable, I suggest you stop waisting time here and defying the purpose of this board with these childish games (I'm not gonna' show it, cause I don't like him bebebe). Please Wes. Let's do this right or not at all. This is the BOI. Let's use it wisely. I'm happy, and always have been, to answer and refute anything asked of me which I have proven time and time again. Once again, what say you cut the crap and let's talk business? I'm not asking anyone to re-hash. You have info not posted here yet that directly relates to this thread (e-mail from Dan)? Post it or forever hold your peace.
 
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