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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

Randy:

LOL, Nothing you can say or do will ever affect anyone's business.

You have not fooled anyone with your twists of events.

The only thing exposed here is my kind offers to extend guarantees and that benefits my business and wards off boobs like yourself who I don't like selling to in the first place.

Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
I also thought you were my friend.
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Daniel, get a hold of yourself. This isn't about me. Its not me not liking you or wanting to be your friend or not wanting your friend or anything else.

Do you not understand whats going on?

I received an unsolicited email from your customer with photos and documentation and complaints that YOU sold him a sick snake with IBD.

I did what thought was right and I posted the information.

I am not your complaint dept. I don't know why your customers choose me to be the vehicle by which this information gets posted. I'm not on your damn payroll. I don't want to here this crap from them.

I don't wish IBD on you. I hope this is a mistake. It doesn't seem like the customer thinks its a mistake, but I sure hope its a mistake.

What if you didn't know about this IBD claim from John? What if he never told you to keep it quiet for his own benefit and only I knew? What if you continued on selling animals that could have IBD? Would you not have considered me a negligent scumbag for not having brought it to your attention immediately?

I did what was right for both of you...with both your best interest in mind. I did this for the rest of the folks who both of you dum dums could be sharing and spreading this disease with.

Again, I'm not on your :censored: payroll you :censored: licker. I don't need your retarded griping bitch ass customers laying this crap in my lap.
 
ravensgait said:
Cat, unless the Vet was trying to get it a date I have to think he was saying it looked like it, as there was no Virology report to say yes it is!
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken here, but the way I read it...when talking about "compatibility" in regard to cells and tissues, they are referring to certain specific components/antigens in the cells.

And since you took it there.....if you said that you and your honey were compatible, I'm not saying that you look like each other, lol. :rofl:
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Randy:

LOL, Nothing you can say or do will ever affect anyone's business.

You have not fooled anyone with your twists of events.

The only thing exposed here is my kind offers to extend guarantees and that benefits my business and wards off boobs like yourself who I don't like selling to in the first place.

Dan
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LMAO hey might want to go back and read what I've posted, I've been more in the middle in regards to your customer service problems and read my post above for my view on your latest issues. Now I guess only the people here who came out and gave you unconditional support are those you'll do business with.. Gee how many of them were there? Like Zero.. Like I said keep shooting you'll hit something vital soon enough.. Randy
 
You are correct Cat, but I get the impression that Dan looks at that from his own perspective not necessarily his customers... Randy
 
Randy: Are you gussing again on what I think? This is a wonderful hobby and I enjoy making others happy with new pets, and its a great relax activity after being retired. That's what I think.

Dan


You are correct Cat, but I get the impression that Dan looks at that from his own perspective not necessarily his customers... Randy
 
The report specifically states the presence of "inclusion bodies", which IMO should be taken seriously. I started out quite supportive of Dan, but his dismissive attitude regarding the chance that a BOA which was at his facility was found to have inclusion bodies....not bone cells....has been rather disheartening. I now see him being trashed here....not because of the possibility of him selling a snake with IBD, but rather because he doesn't seem to care who may or may not be affected by his cavalier attitude.
 
Im sorry i was late, i didnt bring the laptop to work this time... Thanks cat, for posting those!!!!

I want to know if anyone else who has had IBD in their collection still has their Vet reports, and if they can confirm that the same Inclusion bodies were, or were not, present in the tested animals.

The fact that Inclusion bodies WERE found has to be noted, wheter or not they are the same inclusion bodies that are found in IBD infected animals, hopefully someone can confirm.
 
While it is true that the vet will not give out specific client info, if called, there is nothing to prevent him from saying what he means by the word 'compatible' in that kind of context.
 
Cap:

Sure I care, and that is why I extended the guarantee for the buyers. And that snake was a fat healthy specimen when bagged so all that discussion sending a sick snake is trash talk/garbage as far as I am concerned because nothing anyone says is going to change what I saw when I bagged the snake. It was trying to bite my hands off and had a big old poop in the cage and was quite healthy with no signs or symptoms or else I would have never shipped it in the first place to pay the mand 150 bucks the next day - more than what he paid for the snake. When I first saw the photo of it when it arrived, I thought airpressure bloated it but then after consultation, it must have been wrapped by the other snake causing a blockage of the intestine. I don't know for sure, but the man got his money for the strangulation and all is well with the other snakes, so no need to worry. Had the other snake broke out into a virus etc, he would have been compensated etc.

Inclusion bodies are present in any animal suffing from a bone ailment, so what else would you expect to find when a snake was strangled?

Any doubt, then refer to my references/sales deals on this forum which is fine testaments to my integrity. Or give me your number and another individual who examined the snakes the week I shipped them will testify to their health. If you really think I bagged a bloated sick snake to send the guy 150 dollars the next day, then I don't know what else to say but think again.

A quote from a recent customer:

" I just finished a business deal with Dan, and I found him to be well worth the effort to do business with him. I was pleased, I hand picked what I wanted, and because I preferred to pay by paypal, Dan gave me the herps, and I paid him 24 hours after receipt as agreed upon. You cannot get better than that for a healthy relationship. "
 
"Intracytoplasmic eosinophilic inclusion bodies have been identified in the epithelial cells of the kidneys and pancreas. Neuronal degeneration and lesions form in the spinal cord and brain, and may be accompanied by myelin degeneration and nerve damage. Damage to the spleen is also found, with that organ being grossly atrophied and fibrosed. Electron microscopy has found that the organism falls into the retrovirus category."
Taken from - http://www.anapsid.org/ibd.html

"Inclusion body disease of boid snakes has been recognized since the mid 1970's. It is named for the characteristic intracytoplasmic inclusions which are seen in epidermal cells, oral mucosal epithelial cells, visceral epithelial cells, and neurons. In the 1970's, through the late 1980's, this disease was most commonly seen in Burmese pythons, Python molusus bivittatus. Starting in the late 1980's until present, it has been seen most commonly in boa constrictors, Boa constrictor."

Taken from - ( the typing is small, copy and paste it into a text or word document to read it better if needed.) http://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/Old Files/wildlife/IBDINFO.html

"They were then examined with light microscopy for intracytoplasmic eosinophilic inclusion bodies in hepatocytes or blood cells. Typical IBD-inclusions were found in liver biopsies from four of the snakes, but no inclusions were found in blood smears from the same animals. Sampling by ultrasoundguided needle biopsy resulted in representative samples. In conclusion, a blood smear is not a reliable diagnostic alternative to identify IBD-positive snakes compared to liver biopsies, as liver biopsy by celiotomy or needle biopsy is a more sensitive method. Ultrasound guided needle biopsy is a less invasive technique, but has less control of procedure complications
Taken from - http://ex-epsilon.slu.se/archive/00000387/

These all are proof enough for me that it more than likely is IBD
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Inclusion bodies are present in any animal suffing from a bone ailment, so what else would you expect to find when a snake was strangled?
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Can someone else Experienced in this area, please confirm or deny this. This is not something i have ever heard before, and cant find information ( yet) through searching through google about something like this. ( if you can provide a link, that would be great)
 
Violating the third party anonymous posting rule again...not to mention how vehemently irrelevant the quote from the 'customer' is with the healthy relationship, considering the original one of discussion is NOT healthy. Having good deals does not exempt you from bad ones.
 
Noone cares what your reputation might have been like, in fact, i didnt even know who the hell you were until this thread.

I dont care what your supposed "customer" has to say, the fact that you keep skiriting around this issue is Ridiculous! I will be sure to link this thread in any relevant forum, or website that i am active on. You can count on it.
 
The lab report posted above comes from College Station; that is where Texas A&M is located and they have an outstanding veterinary school as well as the college and a reputation for providing community help.
I would think if someone has time tomorrow to call over to the vet school, they will find someone who will talk your ear off about IBD as well as provide cites to written info. I have had the opportunity to call the university agricultural department, several times about gardening questions.
Each time, they took the time to find someone to help me and I ended up getting what amounted to a free consultation from some very knowledgeable and nice people, they are very service oriented.
 
Critical Bill said:
Hold my hand like a small child.....please.

In essence what you sort of conclude is that was not a healthy, plump, feeding snake that Dan could claim he shipped out?

I mean...is something that could happen overnight in a bag during shipping?
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I am not a vet, I don't work with snakes, and I have no experience with IBD. I do know what flagellate protozoans and hepatic lipidosis are. They do not kill a reptile overnight, 'if' it was the cause of death secondary to some other infection or disease.
 
ravensgait said:
Dan, you continue to just shoot yourself here. If you think that this thread wont impact your business then you need to wake up.. Even the hint that you might have IBD in your animals will scare the crap out of anyone who knows what IBD is. Randy
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Well, it has already :confused:

Yesterday we e-mailed DTS Herps about a boa that interested us. It was a surprise when Dan replied as we did not know this was his company. Needless to say we will not purchase that animal. Had I been a person completely unaware of the BOI and Dan's recent problems I might have purchased that snake.


Dan, even if you don't care about yourself, you need to take a hard look at irreparable damage you may do to any breeder/hobbyist. This stuff is serious, and that boa has all the symptoms plus the blood profile of an IBD-infected animal. You should not be selling any more animals until you are 100% sure you are IBD-free. I'm not an unnecessary alarmist but you have to take this issue with the seriousness it deserves. :angry:
 
Skirt around what issue? They could have found the hope diamond in that exam and I would say I did not pack it with the diamond. The fellow was compensated for the strangled boa and the report could have come from NASA and it still would not change the fact that the snake was quite healthy when bagged, the customer was compensated, and there is no issues with any so called virus. I did not make the boa, just resold it from a breeder who has a stellar reputation of producing quality snakes. And what, when, why, how, or if, on the exam means diddly as there is no further sign of any virus and the snake was destroyed.

And don't be draped by delusions of grandeur. I have a snake room for the very few snakes I do list for sale, about 10-20 snakes in it at a time. They are taken care of about twice a day and are all quite healthy. Had any reports of illness hit my desk, then they would have been managed with the customer for satisfaction.

And for giggles, let say the snake did have a virus? It was destroyed and none of the others showed with any symptoms/signs etc. So what gives on all this worry? The buyer is not concerned as he knows the snake was strangled, I know it was strangled, and the smart readers know it was strangled. If you want to think otherwise, that is fine with me as nothing will change my mind on what I saw when I bagged the snake.

Has anyone provided any smart information on how that bloat happen in the snake? I don't read anywhere where that a snake will bloat out like a blimp from IBD, so look at the picture of that snake and tell my it looks like IBD virus. It appears like something cut of its intestine which caused a blockage, and the snake filled with gas. Perhaps the other snake, perhaps some freak blockage? I don't know but IBD virus does not report a bloated snake.

Secondly, that nut case Chuck has been trying to find dirt on me since I proved him wrong dozens of times in many threads years ago. He holds grudges and is just a silly little mean person who has nothing better to do in life that attack people who he is jealous of. He fools no one and nobody gives him any credit, so I find it funny that he tried to pretend or claim his investigation work had no ill intentions. Many people say they are waiting for an opportunity to meet him in person however I don't think they will find him because he is so low.

Dan
 
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