Dan Scolaro bad guy.

[critical bill]

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:10 PM

I could also ad that the pet shop they were mistakenly directed to did not report anything wrong with them so can only imagine they were unfortunately chilled, but that is a risk you take when your order reptiles in the middle of winter and live in a cold climate. Perhaps next time I would suggest to obtain specimens during warmer climate conditions to avoid any issues. Dan
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Are you serious? You control the shipping. You decide whether or not its safe to ship the animals according to the weather. Its not unfortunate for him the animals got chilled, its unfortunate for you. You shipped them and they got lost. Its not his fault.

You tell him to order in warmer climate conditions? How about rejecting the sale until the weather would allow safe shipping to him? This is something you control, not him.

And whats this crapola about discounted animals not having a guarantee? Was he aware of that? Do you mean to say that this guy was willing to drop $600 + shipping for animals with no guarantee? How was he made aware that there was no guarantee? Do you have any emails to confirm it?

It just doesn't make sense....it don't add up. You say your company went above your normal guarantee, but then say to the guy in an email that on discounted animals there is no guarantee. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?

 

[E2MacPets]

Dan was supposed to sex them, they were supposed to be 06's so at that age it should be relativly easy.

Except you have stated you state that you believe them to be 6 months old AND that you confirmed what sex they are. So once again, what method did YOU use to determine gender of 6 month old pink tongue skinks? I don't know of many that would guarentee sex on any pink tongue short of it being a proven breeder, unless they have years of experience. And while Dan has been importing these for ages now, I don't believe he actually works with them himself. I don't believe he would stake his reputation on sexing young imported skinks.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Frank:

I just read your postings. And perhaps I don't recall as it was a very long time ago, but...

If I recall correctly, you bought 2 wild caught mossy frogs that arrived alive and quite healthy from your receiving email report. Thus I met the live arrival guarantee.

I recall some days later you reported that one of them was not feeding and it later passed away from some unknown reason quite stocky still and we discussed it and could not figure a cause of death. It did not die the next day as indicated in your posting.

And if I recall correctly, I made strong efforts and much time trying to locate a replacement for free and we kept in frequent contact. And after not being able to locate one, I nicely refunded you for the one frog or provided some type of cash refund - something way beyond the terms of purchase and what perhaps anyone would do for wild caught amphibians.

Also, I recollect that your emails were concerned that I was going to duck from any follow up, but I was in frequent contact with you and you thanked me for the refund and thanked me for remaining in contact despite you mentioned you knew I had no obligation for a replacement or refund.

If I am wrong about this, then I apologize as it was a long time ago and don't understand why if I went far beyond the purchase guarantee, why are you voicing some type of dissatisfaction at this time or implying I was sidestepping you or this customer when I have been up front and accountable for all transactions.

Dan

Chuck, I guess you need to read the details. The box was never lost and no one said it was the buyers fault and the buyer received a live arrival guarantee and an extended guarantee of a skink should something happen to the dehydrated one. It was shipped during decent weather and there were no issues with the weather so don't know what you are aiming at as I simply advised to receive future shipments during better climate times like spring or summer so he might avoid exposing animals to harsh weather conditions so what's wrong with good advice? I never said it was the buyers fault so your posting is wrong. Despite the live arrival guarantee, I would consider to extend it when shipping companies make mistakes and actually did exactly that in this situation so don't know why your statements all seem adrift? And despite it may be some practices to alter guarantees for discounts, I extended my discount for another skink. I also have a two-week guarantee on captive born snakes.

Sorry, but if comments are not accurate or reflect the fact, I may not feel it necessary to comment on them further so no offense if I don't respond to misdirected or misconstrued wording or comments.

Dan

 

[Mckenzie_river_reptiles]

Yeah Dan keep that shit flowing! You are such a good liar, I'll give you credit for that.
How with 298 post you honestly say thta there was only one other complaint about you. And of course it was false. Dan I have pics of those animals and I'll post them for everybody to see.

 

[critical bill]

Chuck, I guess you need to read the details. It was shipped during decent weather and there were no issues with the weather so don't know what you are aiming at as I simply advised to receive future shipments during better climate times like spring or summer so he might avoid exposing animals to harsh weather conditions so what's wrong with good advice? I never said it was the buyers fault so your posting is wrong.

Hey Dan, this is what you wrote the guy in an email.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:10 PM

I could also ad that the pet shop they were mistakenly directed to did not report anything wrong with them so can only imagine they were unfortunately chilled, but that is a risk you take when your order reptiles in the middle of winter and live in a cold climate. Perhaps next time I would suggest to obtain specimens during warmer climate conditions to avoid any issues. Dan
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It was shipped in the middle of winter according to you. How can the weather be decent in the middle of winter if he lives in a cold climate?

You said its his risk that it shipped during the middle of winter. You are placing the blame on him for placing the order and having it shipped the wrong time of year.

Why advise him after the fact that his temps were not optimal for shipping? That's not advice. That's an excuse to use to get of your obligation to replace the animals. Just like the other piss poor excuse that discounted animals have no guarantee.

CRAP DEAL!

 

[Dan Scolaro]

More threats? You gotta stop threatening people. Well go ahead and post photos as they were fat and healthy here and you emailed you were happy with them when you got them. If you have demised them in your care the last couple months then any photos of them otherwise healthy will only contribute to your lack of skills maintaining them and damage your companies name further for this bogus thread.

I have photos of them healthy and fat so post away kid. Does your mommy know you are on the internet?

Dan

 

[critical bill]

Hey Dan, post your photos. I'd like to see what you sent him.

 

[spawn]

Dan, people do not want to buy animals from people who sit atop a pedestal. You cannot tell people to stop making "threats", which are about as threatening as telling someone they're "dumb", and then continue on calling the guy immature. If he did in fact make threats/his father made threats, you must POST THOSE threats as evidence per email or phone recording or some other kind of evidence, as it violates the anonymous third party quoting rule. 300 posts in I thought you would have this sort of thing figured out by now.

You need to post photos and/or evidence of some of the emails/pictures you claim are missing otherwise your credibility [or lack thereof] suffers more. If you did not care what this guy and his father were saying about your "company", you would truly not be in this thread defending yourself. But, you have done the opposite and are in here to my amazement and defending yourself. Do you care or not? Quit jumping around with this miscellaneous garbage dodging Chuck's quintessential flaws with your posting and speak up for yourself. Did you knowingly send the animals to someone in the dead of winter only to wait for the inevitable complaint about cold animals so you could blame nature and not your own poor decision-making just so the money could transfer with no return?

 

[E2MacPets]

Chuck, I wouldn't be worried about what Dan sent... I've yet to see a sickly pink tongue skink imported by Dan... they're tough little buggers, truly it's hard to get it wrong with them... I just don't know why the original poster thinks he could accurately sex 6 month old skinks?

 

[Mckenzie_river_reptiles]

easy to sex

Chuck, I wouldn't be worried about what Dan sent... I've yet to see a sickly pink tongue skink imported by Dan... they're tough little buggers, truly it's hard to get it wrong with them... I just don't know why the original poster thinks he could accurately sex 6 month old skinks?

Here is a link. Read it. You can see bulges A.K.A. Hemipenes! DAn is the Expert anyways, isn't he? I thought he had the confidence to sell me 2.2 healthy skinks.
http://www.geocities.com/pinktonguedskink/pink_tongue_skink_information_ce.htm

My Dad may have threatend him, actually he called him more of a pig. I had been venting to my Dad about Dan and he wrote the e-mail when I was at work, so I did not get to check the facts. OK It had been three days and the animal died not the very next day. I allready explained that.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Chuck:

Not intending to sound blunt or offensive, but your comments indicate that you have a reading disability/interpretation deficiency.

Again read the information very slowly. If you don't understand it, then have someone else read it and explain it to you slowly and out loud.

The animals were shipped on a warm day despite it being during the winter months. After the shipper error, I advised the buyer to consider buying reptiles during other seasons had this happened on a frozen evening but it didn't. As you tried to miscommunicate, I never advised him that his temps were not optimal on the day I shipped and never put any blame on the buyer as that is your misintrepretation of events.

This was actually a good deal for the buyer. He received 4 skinks at almost wholesale prices and was promised an additional skink for free this summer. That was 5 skinks for 600 dollars which is a great deal.

Dan

Spawn: No pedestal here and the thread exposes a generous offer beyond the guarantee of a free skink which shows much consideration. Also, the kid's father threatened to rob my reptile collection and threatned other things, so speak to him if you have further questions.

Dan

 

[lanceheads]

I agree Dan:

The Coward/Liar (pick one), (Kimmel) DOES have a problem comprehending the written word.

Your Quote:

"Chuck:

Not intending to sound blunt or offensive, but your comments indicate that you have a reading disability/interpretation deficiency.

Again read the information very slowly. If you don't understand it, then have someone else read it and explain it to you slowly and out loud."

I wouldn't worry about anything Kimmel says on this board, he's a blowhard and a loudmouth and I just read him for entertainment like most folks do here on the BOI.
Rarely does he offer any perspectives of the issue at hand.

However, Lucious should be spanked and sent to bed by his daddy for cursing and lying.

I think Dan is a GREAT GUY and He has done great in my deals with him.

Randal

 

[Dan Scolaro]

And someone emailed to inform that thread starters must be at least 18 years old. If so, then this kid perhaps is not 18 so can proof of his age be aquired by fauna and administrative follow up be completed?

Dan

 

[critical bill]

The animals were shipped on a warm day despite it being during the winter months. After the shipper error, I advised the buyer to consider buying reptiles during other seasons had this happened on a frozen evening but it didn't. As you tried to miscommunicate, I never advised him that his temps were not optimal on the day I shipped and never put any blame on the buyer as that is your misintrepretation of events.

You're lying. You never told the guy in your email to "consider buying during warmer months, because if this happened on a frozen evening".

You are adding stuff that was never said.

This is what you said:

"the pet shop they were mistakenly directed to did not report anything wrong with them so can only imagine they were unfortunately chilled, but that is a risk you take when your order reptiles in the middle of winter and live in a cold climate. Perhaps next time I would suggest to obtain specimens during warmer climate conditions to avoid any issues."

You told him it was his risk! He is at fault for ordering from you in the middle of winter. He is at fault if they got chilled! Then you suggest it would be better for him to obtain specimens during warmer months.

You control the shipping. Its your responsibility to pick the safest time to ship.

And, temps were in the upper 20's to mid-upper 30's in the evenings from end of march to beginning of april for his area in Oregon. That's not freezing temps? Daytime temps were in the low 40's to mid 50's.

You shipped those animals out in the above low temps.

This was actually a good deal for the buyer.

It was?

pffffft.....what a joke.

CRAP DEAL AND CRAPPIER EXCUSES!

 

[critical bill]

I agree Dan:

The Coward/Liar (pick one), (Kimmel) DOES have a problem comprehending the written word.

Hey look its my palo Dingle Berry. Hi Dingle!

Are you still sore because I told everyone about the little hit and run theft you and your partner pulled off? It was a really long time ago. It was pre-Bonnie, she was still working, I would assume, on her first husband. You were a single dingle back then.

Most folks tell me they wont get mad, that they'll get even. Seems I got you both ways. Twisted from the waist and spun around. I'm the train and the platform.....and your nothing but in between.

 

[Seamus Haley]

Here is a link. Read it. You can see bulges A.K.A. Hemipenes!

First off... The page you linked is a bit sketchy. It's a private individual's freely hosted geocities page detailing their experiences and opinions. I only checked the front page and breeding page and noticed a few things I disagree with and a few that were questionable. Even *your* link though indicates that sexing is possible through careful observation of traits which adult animals tend to display and that visual sexing is not easy or always accurate. Verified sexing for pink tongues really requires a direct observation of breeding behaviors or a sonogram.

Secondly, you earlier linked an ad posted by another dealer- incidentally someone I consider something of a buddy- and cited the size of those animals at six months of age as "proof" that smaller animals couldn't be as old. This is incorrect; the growth rate of an individual animal can vary wildly based on a large number of factors; environment, genetic predisposition, diet and supplimentation, gender and so forth. Two animals can be the same age and display a signifigant difference in their growth rate while both still being healthy. I'm not really commenting directly on the animals you recieved, simply explaining that being smaller or larger isn't automatically going to indicate age.

 

[Mckenzie_river_reptiles]

exotic pets are good ppl

First off... The page you linked is a bit sketchy. It's a private individual's freely hosted geocities page detailing their experiences and opinions. I only checked the front page and breeding page and noticed a few things I disagree with and a few that were questionable. Even *your* link though indicates that sexing is possible through careful observation of traits which adult animals tend to display and that visual sexing is not easy or always accurate. Verified sexing for pink tongues really requires a direct observation of breeding behaviors or a sonogram.

Secondly, you earlier linked an ad posted by another dealer- incidentally someone I consider something of a buddy- and cited the size of those animals at six months of age as "proof" that smaller animals couldn't be as old. This is incorrect; the growth rate of an individual animal can vary wildly based on a large number of factors; environment, genetic predisposition, diet and supplimentation, gender and so forth. Two animals can be the same age and display a signifigant difference in their growth rate while both still being healthy. I'm not really commenting directly on the animals you recieved, simply explaining that being smaller or larger isn't automatically going to indicate age.

I have no problems with the ppl at exotic pets. I have never done bussiness wit them, butwould not hesitate. The guy I contacted at Exotic pets was nice and gave me info on those skinks. He said that they were 6 months old.
Dan told me when I bought the skinks that they were 06's he changed his mind and gave me 07's probably because he sold all his 06's.

 

[Jim O]

Since I have NEVER had any complaints about the health of any animal shipped (with around 2000 boxes shipped so far), I simply offered to provide him another skink for free when I received more as I get them every summer from the breeder. This is beyond my companies guarantee and I usually would consider to extend any guarantee regardless of any circumstances that could arise despite there has NEVER been any health issue with any animal in thousands of purchases.

NEVER? That's a lie Dan and you are well aware of it. See http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105402 where Dan was stupid enough to ship amphibians via USPS!

Whether the OP in this thread has his ducks in a row or not, Dan can be counted upon to try to weasel his way out of honoring his (made up on the fly) "guarantee".

 

[Mckenzie_river_reptiles]

Considering my age....

Firstly I don't think age has anything to do with it, but since you are so interested...? I will tell you I am a 17 old guy that Likes to breed and raise reptiles. I spend nearly every penny I make on reptiles, mice and feeder insects. I care for my animals as a true hobbiest, not someone one that is more interested in the money. I co-own reptiles with my Dad who has raised reptiles from childhood. So I get knowledge and husbandry from him and other people. I put fourth alot of effort to take care of the animals that I have, I will never sell an animal that I believe to be unhealthy, even though I have sold very little seeing as I have been working my way up towards more expensive reptiles. I had never been ripped of before, so I was rather nieve and dumb. It is depresing to me to know that there are krooks even in this hobby/bussiness that I love so much.
Considering my Dad: His story is this; when he was at his climax at raising reptiles mostly coloubrids, boas, and albino burms. he orderd a large shipment of about 60 snakes from a wholesaler, unfortunatly he quaratined them for only 1 month. one of the snakes had star gazing syndrom or something like that. It spred quickly and infected his whole colony, killing all his Boas and pythons! He sold most of his coluobrids, but always worked with a few. At about 15 I started to collect reptiles cheep stuff, bred it sold it and have worked my way up, not high but a little bit. Also My Dad never stated that he was going to break in and steal your reptiles! That is ridiculous! He stated that Bob Clark got his whole colony stolen, and my dad and Bob were upset at how the reptile industry was turning into more of a money thing than a love for reptiles. I'm not against breeding reptiles and making a great profit!

I don't understand why my age is a problem with you. I would think you being a "full grown man" would have the integrity to do fair bussiness with a fellow breeder, especially the future of the reptile industry!


I agree that maybe it is hard to sex pink tongue skinks, but me and my Dad have looked at them and observed them and believe that we were shipped 2.2, but the female died, making it 2.1. Dan sent me sexed animals that were sexed by him. So ask Dan how he sexed them...

This is my input on Dan Scolaro (DTS Herps) is not a good person to do bussiness with, he changes his mind, TOS, and makes stuff up!
In the end he has your money and you got bad quality reptiles!

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Chuck:

Wrong again, temps were warm and safe the day the buyer and myself agreed to ship. And of course it goes without saying that its always a risk when shipping reptiles during winter so what's your point about me pointing out the obvious to the buyer and suggesting another season? I never said it was his fault. And you don't know all about all of the emails we exchanged. For your information, despite the buyer wanted them quickly after final payment, I was quite smart to delay the shipment many times due to low temps, and checked the buyer's daily/weekly weather forecasts and kept in very close communications with the buyer on when it was best to ship. When the low temp was forecasted in the mid 40's and high temp was in the mid to upper 50's, we decided it would be fine to ship that day and included a heat pack just in case. Several folks ship in lower temps, but I have had great success with deliveries being patient for warmer days and in nearly 2000 shipments cannot recall one legitimate complain due to some error on my end, so what gives dude. I am presently holding about 10 orders waiting for better weather in some areas. And on some instances, I have been pressured to ship on colder days, and to avoid problems, I simply issued refunds for the sake to not risk the animals health. The animals welfare is the most important concern at all times.

Do you ship reptiles or do you just sit there behind the computer all day trying to find something to pick besides your nose? Many people emailed me tonight informing me to ignore you, claiming you're a nut, and you are really starting to make me wonder what business you have even being on any forum to help a situation between buyer/seller because your thinking process is not sound nor stable nor productive to resolve any issue. You are a master aggravator, a skilled individual at festering up crap that is not relevant nor productive to any resolution, and wasting people's time. I hear you are banned weekly and would throw in my two-cents to make it final as you are no help in any thread.

Is it not plain and simple to you that I met my end of the guarantee? Did you read that the skinks arrive alive and the buyer was offered an extention of the guarantee? Can you read? One minute you harp on folks for not keeping to their guarantee and then you harp on others for keeping to their guarantee. What the heck is wrong with you dude? If the buyer and his father are so reckless and wild to make threats and add so many lies and misinformation garbage, it dawns on me now about how do I even know in the first place now that the buyer was truthful that it was a skink I sent him that was dehydrated? What reputation does he have in this business? He is some 13 year old sucking his thumb. I mean all the skinks looked beautiful here, all fat and eating great and they all had fat tails and they are quite hardy and basically indestructable animals. And once you lie as the buyer did, then anything and everything he said or says must be considered suspicious. So he has lied, he dad has lied, and you are picking on things that are not even relevant to the live arrival of skinks on a day when temps were satisfactory for shipping. What gives with you? Man you are either dense or need to be locked up.

End result was the buyer was offered another skink despite the other was feeding. I extended my guarantee and was threatened with robbery of my collection, so its a no go for any extension at this point as I will not alter or extend guarantees when threatened with such things.

If you want to argue, I suggest getting a mirror and yap into that but from what I hear about you, you do that anyway.

Dan