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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

Dan Scolaro said:
I don't keep a single boa or python in my collection so don't expect to see anything soon but several vipers dropping babies. I checked out that video and the boas I had were all nice and healthy and coiled tightly and ate just days before and had nice solid poops in their cages. The ones I shipped were biting my fingers for food and fat cats.
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Dan Scolaro said:
However the case, they departed here in February and if it was a virus, I am not convinced it lingered. And if it lingered, then what could have it attached itself to? I don't keep boas and pythons, so what animal is someone saying it might of been attached to?
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Dan, I haven't kept up with this thread or read every post but I have trouble understanding the claims above. I don't know if there has been any reported cases of IBD in regards to Candoia, but your claims that you don't keep and breed anything other than venomous is in direct conflict to communications we have had.
Monday, March 24, 2008
I am out of them at the moment but have a gravid halamahara boa and waiting on her to drop. They are C. pulsoni tasmai or something like that and are a smaller growing and darker colored species from halamahara island and other nearby Indonesian islands. But I do have plenty of breeder C. c. pulsoni to breed this and next year so hopefully will have lots available in the future.

Dan
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Thanks for any clarification you can lend.
 
Dan,

As I stated before there is a chance that your collection didn't get infected. The fact is that you cannot tell unless another snake dies and you do the histopathology on her. Something tells me that if does happens no one will ever know and as you stated earlier "life will go on". What you don't seem to grasp is that what upsets people is your complete disregard to the fact that there are more people in the world besides just you. You seem to think that what doesn't affect you directly has no relevance. Not to burst your bubble but it does. Those clients to which you send snakes that died and/or tested positive to IBD (yes, that's an undeniable fact) are also people that are in this hobby because they love reptiles. Posting pictures of the gorgeous snakes you keep (no sarcasm intended, they are very nice) while telling them "I don't have IBD, I just happened to send you an infected snake", can really upset the most balanced of minds. Again, it is possible nothing will happen, but what has been painfully obvious is your complete disregard for other people's collections and hard earned cash. That is what's going to end hurting your business...
 
someday i will be able to point out something someone said before dennis does....

anywho.. so dan.. you say youve never kept boas or pythons... yet you got yourself a gravid halamahara... hmmm...
 
I don't have a clue why anyone doesn't get this.
Dan MEANS, he doesn't have any boa's in his PERSONAL collection.
Major difference.
 
lanceheads said:
I don't have a clue why anyone doesn't get this.
Dan MEANS, he doesn't have any boa's in his PERSONAL collection.
Major difference.
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I seen him say in his collection I got that. But he also has BSed that there are no boids at his house. But keeps comtraditing that fact with his own words. All Dan is say he just had gotten a few in lately but has them on KS for a while now. Also what Dennis had pointed out. So if he doesn't have any in his collection, but is still selling to the public what does that mean his collection is fine and everyone who is buying of him might be at risk ?
 
Dan Scolaro said:
Those costa ricans were shipped in early to mid feb and got one two weeks ago and it sold the next day and got 3 more a week ago. There was no contamination. All boas are doing great even the one bagged with the one that showed with IBD. My guess is the snake was strangled and the snake remained alive for a few days and festered with inclusions like the vet said it would. Thanks, but unless anyone has something great to comment on this horse has been beaten too long.

Dan
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I have seen the above highlighted statement made MANY times in this thread by Mr. Scolaro. Quite simply, is this true or not? Can a snake constricted by another develop the inclusion bodies that were indicated in the vet report? Yes or no?

If a vet has stated this, as indicated by Mr. Scolaro, WHO exactly is the vet who made this claim?
 
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I have seen the above highlighted statement made MANY times in this thread by Mr. Scolaro. Quite simply, is this true or not? Can a snake constricted by another develop the inclusion bodies that were indicated in the vet report? Yes or no?

If a vet has stated this, as indicated by Mr. Scolaro, WHO exactly is the vet who made this claim?
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Web slave don't ask Dan for PROOF...He never gives any....Never. And if he does it is corrupt! :rolleyes:

Is it legall to post ten post that have only one-three sentances? Like Dan did.

:iagree: with mooing Let's just tell people about this post on our websites, about Dan Scolaro on the BOI. If that's OK with webslave. And just bring it up after it falls off the first page.
 
Craigh,
Maybe Dan has his personal collection located at another facility? I don't know.
But, he has stated that he doesn't have boa's, and I take that in his PERSONAL collection, that's all.
He may sell boa's and pythons, but that doesn't mean he keeps them (personally)
Thats what I got out of his statement.

Randal
 
I have access to a number of resources through my university, and I decided to look and see if there were any scientific articles on IBD in snakes. The following article is pretty interesting. It also shows a case where inclusion bodies were found in a NON-BOID (a cornsnake).

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/doortiz2/www/IBD.pdf

I apologize if this is something that shouldn't be posted here, but I figured it was relevant.
 
(regurgitation is often the first clinical sign of the disease) copied from the report Jenn posted.

This explain why the ETB Dan sold Eric could of been regurgitating. Not from feeding the right size rat pups.
 
Rich,
I made a post way back, and several others alluded to such, but there is zero correlation between the formation of inclusion bodies and the squeezing of an animal. It is 100% hocus-pocus BS. Dan's faint recollection was a link to bone breakage and inclusion bodies, and he often then stated as fact that bone crushing/breakage was responsible for inclusion bodies What was explained by others are that there are other diseases that cause inclusion bodies in animals (and people), and that some of these, such as Paget's disease in humans, cause weak bones. Paget's disease is also ID's by the presence of certain inclusion bodies. The link would be that Paget's disease is responsible for certain inclusion bodies, which help in its diagnosis, and Paget's disease creates weak bones. The inclusion bodies do not create weak bones, and bone breakage or crushing does not cause inclusion bodies. Been a bit of attempted "smoke and mirrors" in this thread.
 
,inclusion body disease was
described in a group of vipers (Botriechis marchi, family
Viperidae); the source ofthe disease was unknown,and the
animals had had no contact with affected Boidae (Raymond
and others 2001).
Copy and pasted for the report Jenn linked on page 138 post #690

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/doortiz2/www/IBD.pdf
 
Thanks, I see that, I have never heard of that before, Interesting to know that it occurs in S.A. pit-vipers.

Randal Berry
 
What is also interesting about the article is, thats mites are thought to be the vector for IBD but there has been no proof to support it. hmmm.

Randal
 
lanceheads said:
What is also interesting about the article is, thats mites are thought to be the vector for IBD but there has been no proof to support it. hmmm.

Randal
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Randal.

Are you paying attention. The main cause of IBD is thought to come from or carried by mites....Dr. Jacobson is asking for mites that have been in colonies that have(had) IBD, but of course Mites have nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

Since your the expert that is defending Dan you tell us where it comes from?

I think the link Jen gave was very good.
 
uh...Lucius, are YOU paying attention? Thats the question here.

That statement CAME from the link that Jen provided. Try reading it slowly yourself.
 
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