Dan Scolaro bad guy.

[Serafim]

Starting to make me feel vindicated for jumping on you as a bad guy when you tried to pressure my fiance into buying from you. Remember? When you told her you were advertising pink tongue skinks at too low a price and were raising them to get her to buy from you? I felt you were guilty of price fixing. So while you may not have scammed her, or me, you certainly are a scammer, a liar, and a dangerously irresponsible reptile keeper.

LOL and just like that the gloves comeback off....

 

[critical bill]

21,181 views so far. Dano has managed to find just one stray potential customer, a child named Tim, interested in buying two Surinam's.

Dano's business is booming.

Hey Father Time!

The view count just keeps going up. You may need a fresh Depends Diaper for this new view count old timer.

Ready?

21,881

700 new views in less than 5 hours.

This thread is averaging a steady 140 new views each hour.

You have flushed away 140 potential customers every hour since 1pm this afternoon.

I don't believe your business is better than ever. It is not possible. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Business sucks for you old timer.

 

[Cat_72]

We can argue common sense with Dan all day long, and he will simply keep trying to cloud it all with lies, misinformation, and general BS. Dan thinks this is all a game, but it isn't to those who may suffer great losses to IBD.

The proven facts are all there for anyone to see, he can repeat his BS all he wants. We can repeat the actual facts just as many times.

Dan Scolaro sold a boa that was proven by necropsy to be infected with IBD.

Dan Scolaro repeatedly tried to cover up and deny this fact through lies and deception.

Dan Scolaro refuses to do anything to try to prevent the spread of this insidious disease to the collections of others.

That's all anyone needs to know, really.

 

[Dogboa]

Bring forth anyone who said I scammed them?

You cannot do it. You are full of wind. It never happed and will never happen.

This thread only proved I went beyond the guarantees in the terms of purchases to satisfy customer and mocked the so call board of idiotc.

No thanks necessary as it was a pleasure.

Bring on somone who can speak smartly on the issue. I have yet to see that person besides Marcus and some nice lady.

Dan

Dan,
I can't prove you sold Herpinator sick emeralds, but the fact that you kept telling him to only feed mice to an animal that should easily handle small rats, smacks of knowledge on your end that they were pukers. Being someone that only deals with emeralds and having gone down the path with WC imports, to me that would be a scam. Unloading pukers on someone.

Craig

 

[lanceheads]

Craig,
Depends on the size of the Emerald in question.
A lot of snakes, prefer rodents with fur over rat pups, which don't have fur.
If the snake in question was eating mice for Dan, then the snake might have been imprinted on mice, thus, rejecting rat pups. (two different scents)

 

[MikeCurtin]

There's a substantial difference between rejecting prey ang regurgitating it.

 

[Phobos]

I'm not really interested in entering this full scale pissing match but I will say the following two things:

1) I've Known Dan for several years and seen his collection when I've been in the area to visit. I've never seen any sick or neglected animals in his collection. I've done business with him in the past and will continue to do so because I've found him to be fair and completely trustworthy returning funds promptly when animals arrived to him in less than healthy condition, rather than sending them on to me the customer.

2) I also know that BOI is not always a fair venue for discussions having been there myself. It seems more like a feeding frenzy than an actual distillation of facts.

Al

 

[Dogboa]

Craig,
Depends on the size of the Emerald in question.
A lot of snakes, prefer rodents with fur over rat pups, which don't have fur.
If the snake in question was eating mice for Dan, then the snake might have been imprinted on mice, thus, rejecting rat pups. (two different scents)

I don't want to take this off topic, but he (Herpinator) has fed the emerald rat pups and it puked. Plus the emerald didn't reject rat pups. It had nothing to do with preference and all to do with the fact that a healthy emerald of 4.5' should be able to handle small to medium rats. If the snake refused the rat pup, then I can understand what you are saying. I have absolutely no problem converting emeralds that have been raised from birth on hopper mice to rat pups when it's time to increase food size. So, I don't think a "pre-conditioned" issue has anything to do with it. As I stated the emerald is 4.5'.

Craig

 

[snake5007]

I'm not really interested in entering this full scale pissing match but I will say the following two things:

1) I've Known Dan for several years and seen his collection when I've been in the area to visit. I've never seen any sick or neglected animals in his collection. I've done business with him in the past and will continue to do so because I've found him to be fair and completely trustworthy returning funds promptly when animals arrived to him in less than healthy condition, rather than sending them on to me the customer.

2) I also know that BOI is not always a fair venue for discussions having been there myself. It seems more like a feeding frenzy than an actual distillation of facts.

Al

You're not exactly a straight up guy, are you Al? Dan's been trying his very best to distort those facts with lies, it's your choice to do business with him, just as it was your choice with Justyn. If you get burned, you'll be the FIRST to run back here complaining about how you got screwed.

 

[Chameleon Company]

I think it would be quite narrow-minded to not acknowledge that Dan has done a boatload of good business. For someone who deals in a lot of imports, one would expect a higher incidence of complaints, and the complaints against Dan are well within the margins. I think it improper, if not plain petty, to deride someone who posts here that they have done good business with Dan , and intends to continue to do so in the future, as to "each his (or her)own" regarding the IBD threat as they see it.

IMMHO, Dan's problem has been his tit-for-tat and arrogant approach to many posters here, maximizing the negative publicity instead of minimizing it. He could have easily addressed most concerns here, and been far better off for it, long ago.

 

[Craigh]

I think it would be quite narrow-minded to not acknowledge that Dan has done a boatload of good business. For someone who deals in a lot of imports, one would expect a higher incidence of complaints, and the complaints against Dan are well within the margins. I think it improper, if not plain petty, to deride someone who posts here that they have done good business with Dan , and intends to continue to do so in the future, as to "each his (or her)own" regarding the IBD threat as they see it.

IMMHO, Dan's problem has been his tit-for-tat and arrogant approach to many posters here, maximizing the negative publicity instead of minimizing it. He could have easily addressed most concerns here, and been far better off for it, long ago.

I concur

 

[lanceheads]

Craig,
Did you mean the Emerald sold to Herpinator was 4.5'?
I must have missed that!
Thats a LARGE one! wow!

 

[Dogboa]

**I did not contact Dan about the multiple vet visits, I was not looking for compensation, don't hold his inaction against him on that account.

You told me that feeding a 4.5' snake a rat pup is too heavy for it and it would wind up regurgitating. An adult mouse is smaller than the either girls' heads. My CBB male that I've had for some time eats rat pups, the other male (that I got from Dan) is doing fine eats f/t rat pups and is as puppy dog tame as an emerald gets. They're in great health.

You also told me that by confining them to a 10 gallon terrarium, they won't wander and wandering makes them regurgitate. These are 4.5 - 5' snakes we are talking about.

I blew off your advice because none of the other people I talked to, including my vet and the person I got my CBB male from, felt the same way about these things and I figured your experience level with them wasn't so great.

The third visit to the vet, after the Baytril wasn't doing anything, the vet told me that it could be wasting syndrome (a symptom of IBD) because they were getting so thin so fast.

I don't want to bash anyone. Dan really tried to help out and do what he could to make things right. I wasn't looking to Dan to be an ETB expert. I just don't think he had the resources for it and when the IBD word came up, I had to chime in.

I also don't want anyone going around thinking it's all that and a bag of chips just because people don't complain. I don't like to complain, I hate it when things don't work out. I was willing to take my lumps because I bought a couple of cost-effective emeralds and I knew the risk I was taking.

Just because nobody tells you that your fly is open doesn't mean that your fly isn't open. If something I sold had IBD, I would want to know so that I could look at my collection and start seriously segregating. It's an intense problem. I had no idea that it seriously could have been IBD before now.

I didn't post here to bash Dan. I posted here because if there is an IBD problem, I want to know. Before the one girl died, she was falling off the perch. I didn't think much of it because I figured it was because she was weak but it could have been neurologic.

Here is the post where the emerald size was described.

Craig

 

[Dogboa]

Sorry, that was post #366.

Craig

 

[Gary O]

You're not exactly a straight up guy, are you Al? Dan's been trying his very best to distort those facts with lies, it's your choice to do business with him, just as it was your choice with Justyn. If you get burned, you'll be the FIRST to run back here complaining about how you got screwed.

I do not know Dan I have never dealt with him.

BUT I know Al. He is a very good person. Very honest and has no reason to lie. I trust Al 100%. I would trust him with anything in my personal collection. So yes Al is a straight up guy.

Gary

 

[lanceheads]

Thanks Craig!

Randal

 

[lanceheads]

I concur Gary.

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Does anyone else see this where I highlighted???? If Dan has animals that are arriving to him in less than healthy conditions, why is he passing them on to customers in the first place to HAVE to return funds promptly??? This entire statement makes no sense. First Dan has animals coming in to him in less than healthy conditions (is anyone surprised?), but he has to return funds promptly (to WHO??), but he doesn't pass them (what??) onto the customer? My head is spinning. Again.

1) I've Known Dan for several years and seen his collection when I've been in the area to visit. I've never seen any sick or neglected animals in his collection. I've done business with him in the past and will continue to do so because I've found him to be fair and completely trustworthy returning funds promptly when animals arrived to him in less than healthy condition, rather than sending them on to me the customer.

Dan, since you called me a "nice lady" in the email to Al, I will assume you meant me here. If not, I apologize for the assumption, but will continue just in case.

Bring on somone who can speak smartly on the issue. I have yet to see that person besides Marcus and some nice lady.

First of all, SMARTLY is an adverb. Although it is a word, you have grossly misused the English language and your grammar skills (again). Stop berating people for doing this when you cannot get it right yourself. You can't even spell most of the time, making your posts almost intelligible. The phrase you are looking for is probably "with some intelligence" or "with some smarts" in case you want to try again. DICTIONARY.COM is a wonderful place.
But, thanks for the compliment.

Please, do NOT mistake my honest account and posting a conversation with one customer of yours to be any sort of recommendation to do business with you to anyone else. I still believe that your lack of concern for the POSSIBILITY, even if it is a remote one, that IBD, which has been PROVEN to be a highly contagious and devastating disease (although you keep calling it "so-called virus" and "so-called contagious" and even questioning some of the greatest known experts in the field) has been through your facility, and you have POSSIBLY passed this one to countless numbers of customers (if your SO-CALLED sales numbers are as you say they have been since this post began are true) without one bit of worry. that is not only reckless, but one of the most uncaring, unprofessional, irresponsible things I have ever heard of. I could NEVER recommend doing business with someone who could act like this, no matter how many other "satisfied customers" you have had in the past. So, how nice am I now?

Let me get a few things straight about my conversation with Al for you and anyone who may think I want my name associated with you in any pleasant way.

1. YES. Al was EXTREMELY nice, polite, and an absolute pleasure to speak to in our long conversation. I do believe he was legitimate in his beliefs, and although I think he is misguided in his lack of concern for his animals and IBD, he's a nice guy.
2. YES, he said he had a great experience with you and that his snakes are currently healthy (which is further proven by th pictures you posted).
3. YES, he has had many years of experience with snakes, and he stated several times these are his babies, and he loves them like his children. I believe Al is doing the best he knows to do for his animals, but again, I say I think he is misguided to think he has no reason for concern.
4. Al referred to IBD as IBT several times during our conversation, and admitted that he had no real knowledge of what it was, how it was diagnosed, or what to look for outside of slight neurological signs. Several times he said "IBD or IBT or whatever it is," showing he has no real knowledge of the issue. He also basically stated that unless he sees signs or symptoms, he will not worry.
5. Al also said he uses rack systems for his snakes, and that the CRBs are housed directly above or below (sorry, I cannot remember exactly which) his Hognose boas. He did not mention any sort of quarantine procedures, so I cannot state whether or not his hognose's could be exposed to this, or any of his other snakes in his rack systems.
6. One thing Al said to me that I found very interesting, and I should have said before I guess, is that although he is not interested in coming to read this posting since he has already dealt with you (I did tell him exactly where he could find it), was that if he had NOT dealt with you before this and saw it, he probably would NOT buy from you as a new customer. So Dan, if one person that HAS dealt with you says this, how do you think all of the other new potential customers are viewing this thread?

Dan, you have repeatedly asked for proof of this, that or the other thing. You contradict yourself constantly, first saying there was no IBD, then saying you admit to IBD from the vet report, then start this whole conspiracy theory that the vet report was "mocked up" and that the snake in question was not even your snake. You claim that the buyer had other issues with claiming IBD. You degrade the idea of IBD by calling it the "so-called virus" and stating that it is "so-called contagious" when it has been proven MANY times over the years to be deadly, ruining collections and causing much heartbreak, lost time and money, not to mention business over the years. You even refer to some of the greatest minds in the reptile world as "so-called experts" and "this guy Phillipe," etc. I'll go pull each and every post you have said these things if you want me to, but I think we all know they are there. You say you have not lied. You have been caught more times in this post than I can count. You constantly contradict yourself, and poke fun at this entire threat of IBD like it is a child's head cold.
The reason I point these things out is that you think you have the right to ask for all of this proof, act like a fool and degrade the hobby/business and experts, but yet YOU cannot offer any solid evidence AGAINST anything that has been said. You come in with smoke screens of big talk (with bad spelling and grammar usage), claiming good business, all these satisfied customers, a perfect record, etc, but yet you yourself have offered up instances of unhappy people, and even someone (the other Al above) has said you have returned funds for unhealthy animals. Great, you send money back. Great, you have a return/refund/guarantee that you seem to stick to sometimes, if not often. That's WONDERFUL, Dan. You are like about 99% of the other breeders out there. You are NOT special for this. But you are special because you are ignoring this horrible thing called IBD that was found IN A SNAKE YOU SOLD, whether you did it knowingly or not. So WHAT that you gave the guy back his money for that one snake?? What about the effects of what is going to happen later, and maybe has started to happen now? Those things you conveniently ignore.
As a business person who has taken many years and much money and time to build up this collection you have, why would you even think that you should not offer proof or evidence yourself? This is not a court of law, but can be much more devastating than any court case could be. Although the "prosecution" here has offered the evidence to prove their case, it is now up to you to defend yourself with evidence to dispute their findings. You need to do this for your own reputation, and for the simple idea that your business is being effected (no matter what you say, you know that it is). It's simple business smarts, Dan. So start trying to retain what little respect you may have in this industry by not acting like a 4 year old who wants to take their ball home since no one wants to play anymore. Your bullying tactics do not work obviously. You sound more and more like an incoherent fool the more you post and laugh at people. You are holding on by a very thin rope, and it will break very soon (and that is being nice about it, as I think it has broken long ago).

Signed,
The nice lady who states things with some intelligence
Kelly

PS - I think many others here have offered up intelligent arguments, stated their cases with much poise, and have offered a LOT to this conversation. I am not the only one who can speak "smartly" Dan. You just can't read "smartly"

 

[ravensgait]

I'm not really interested in entering this full scale pissing match but I will say the following two things:

1) I've Known Dan for several years and seen his collection when I've been in the area to visit. I've never seen any sick or neglected animals in his collection. I've done business with him in the past and will continue to do so because I've found him to be fair and completely trustworthy returning funds promptly when animals arrived to him in less than healthy condition, rather than sending them on to me the customer.

2) I also know that BOI is not always a fair venue for discussions having been there myself. It seems more like a feeding frenzy than an actual distillation of facts.

Al

As for your number 1 I can understand all of that except the "I will continue to do business with him". Myself I'd have said it more like this.. I would consider doing business with him again once he has taken care of this problem and could prove to me that his animals and facility were free of IBD. Al, if you read this thread then you know he sold an animal that had IBD. Dan has done a really poor job of lying and trying to misdirect this thread but the facts are here for people to see. Not having ever done business with Dan after reading this thread I wouldn't do business with him, his TOS sucks and his handling of problems well he doesn't handle them. Add in this IBD issue and people are going to run away. There are far better people I can spend my money with.

If this were say someone in the Cattle industry that had a disease like this they would find themselves under quarantine and all their recent customers would find Vets ETC climbing all over their facilities to see if they had this disease and would likely be quarantined till they were cleared. I mean come on we are under enough scrutiny from States and the Feds right now do we need some idiot like Dan adding to that? If we continue to show we are unable to regulate ourselves then one day we may find someone doing the job for us. We'll have the Dan's of the reptile world to thank when that day comes.

2, I don't know Al, seems like the facts were put out there and Al had his chance to do the right thing but instead he choose the low road and kept going down hill. Big difference here between a known scum bag giving you a bad time and this problem Dan created for himself. Your accuser never provided any proof yet we have proof here that Dan shipped a snakes that died and was found to have IBD. I don't see many similarities here do you? Randy

 

[ravensgait]

In 2 that should be Dan, not Al in the first sentence.. Randy