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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

thanks!

As I has said, the way something is written can be interpreted so many ways! I'll chalk it up to my bad head cold, multiple fun medications for said head cold, and having a moment of not being coherant enough to be reading too "smartly" :)


WebSlave said:
The way I interpretted that original statement was that Dan may have required payment in advance or a deposit before ordering, or in order to hold animals pending arrival in a shipment, for customers. If such animal(s) arrived in unsatisfactory condition, the payment or deposit was then refunded to the buyer who wanted that animal instead of just shipping the animal(s) to them.
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FunkyRes said:
It was a mistake to pack two snakes in the same bag. That should never be done.
The diagnosis I saw posted looks like it could have been IBD but could have been something else as well. I did not see a conclusive diagnosis.
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I am not disagreeing. I never stated it was conclusive, although it certainly is detailed enough to take action based on the diagnosis. I stated that Dan nonchalantly stated that it was diagnosed with IBD. That is a fact.

The fact is that Dan allowed a claim of IBD to go uncontested and also failed to take any corrective action on behalf of his business. That is a bad thing, no matter how you look at it. And by corrective action, I don't mean refunding more than his customer paid in the first place (not going to guess at the intent behind that). What I mean is that he failed to place animals in quarantine, failed to seek additional confirmation of the diagnosis, failed to seek a diagnosis for animals currently in his collection, failed to notify customers of the potential risk of exposure, and so on.

Dan was willing to accept that a snake he sold had been diagnosed with IBD. Dan was willing to continue to sell snakes, knowing that one of the snakes he sold was diagnosed with IBD.
 
FunkyRes said:
I would like to clarify that from the necropsy report on pg 42 I do think there is a very good chance it had IBD - I just don't think it conclusive.
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A very good chance, that he has ignored, and laughed about. Still want to defend him?
 
David Scarboro said:
A very good chance, that he has ignored, and laughed about. Still want to defend him?
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I've not defended him.
It looks to me like he does a lot of buying and selling for fast turn around, and that is going to result in some sick animals going out. It does not however mean that the disease is lingering in his collection, nor that his animals were even exposed to it. IBD can linger in boas for years, unless he tests each boa he takes in, no quarantine procedure is going to prevent him from sending one out with IBD.

If you want to reduce the risk of receiving a diseased animal, pay more for your animal and buy directly from a captive breeder. The volume sellers will receive and pass on animals that have problems from time to time, that's just reality, and that's the risk you take when you buy from them.

They would not be buying to sell if there wasn't a profit motive. Testing each animal takes away any profit as it would likely result in his imports costing more than captive bred. Of course he's not going to do it.

You get what you pay for - pay more for an animal directly from the guy who bred it than for an equivalent from a volume dealer and you reduce your risk.
 
Michael if you've read this thread then you noticed that I had some of the same concerns early on. That is till the words used in the report were explained. Might want to go back and read the whole thread.. Yeah that's a task but if you want the information then read.

Randal you seem to pop up in defense of less than stellar characters, recently Justyn and now Dan. You came into this thread taking shots at Chuck who is the person responsible for getting this info out there. Yeah you and Chuck have had your problems in the past but you seem unable to get past that and see what is. You come off as 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' no matter what that friend may have done. Pretty damn sad Randal pretty damn sad.. Randy
 
well Randy, what can I say?
I'll say it again though.
I have had great transactions with Dan.
I thought Michael made a great post.
BTW, I like Chuck, when, he's being reasonable. Chuck does offer great insights when he is not berating.
Call me the Defender of less than stellar characters if you must, I am just stating my opinion. (just like you are).

Randal
 
also, how long ago did I defend Justyn Randy? I can't remember defending him, might have at one time or another, but how recent?
I certainly wouldn't defend him now, after all of you guy's un-earthed a ton of bad deals with him.
So, how long ago?

Randal
 
Wow took you two post to say that.. Um read his thread and you'll get your answer.. I do see you left out part of you glowing endorsement of Dan this time IE """ and I will continue to buy from him."" < you left that out of your last endorsement whether by simply forgetting or good sense I don't know.

I could tell you liked Chuck , this was I believe your first post to Chuck after the IBD info was posted--
"" Chuck (Liar, Coward) Kimmel,
Bring it on!

Randal"""

Not trying to defend Chuck here Randall he doesn't need my help. I just found it interesting to note who you post in defense of and whom you make post to attack.. Randy
 
Ok Randy. And your point is?
Sure, Chuck and I have/had our differences of opinions. I stated as such, and he has also. I can agree to disagree with him, and also state that I like some of his insights.
Anything wrong with that?
This is NOT about Chuck vs. Randal, it is about Dan Scolaro.
Please.
Randal
 
Just pointing out I a few things I've noticed and I imagine some others have noticed . But you're right this thread is about Dan and his IBD problem. Randy
 
Help us put an end to the horrors!!!!!!!

We are moderators of the Red Deer Internet Pet Store http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reddeerinternetpetstore/ and have long known about the going ons in Dan's house of horrors called Red Deer Reptiles and Such.
Lately members of our group have been complaining about this store and wondering what they could do to help these poor unfortunate animals. So I contacted JJ Reptiles in Calgary and received this info about the "Investigation" into this store by the SPCA. The Investigating officer's name is Don Ferguson his number is 780-203-5155 call him now!!!!!
Also please call this complaint line and flood them with complaints regarding this store and keep calling every time you enter this store and notice something out of sorts. if they receive enough complaints they will shut his shop down.
It should be noted that Dan is now in the Exotic Bird Business and is currently in the process of slowly killing several Parrolets, Cockatoos, ect. When will this horror cease? and how many animals have to get thrown in the trash before we put a stop this despicable waste of skin? CALL TODAY AND CALL OFTEN!!!
These animals are running out of time. :angry:
 
Red Deer InternetPetStoe said:
We are moderators of the Red Deer Internet Pet Store http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reddeerinternetpetstore/ and have long known about the going ons in Dan's house of horrors called Red Deer Reptiles and Such.
Lately members of our group have been complaining about this store and wondering what they could do to help these poor unfortunate animals. So I contacted JJ Reptiles in Calgary and received this info about the "Investigation" into this store by the SPCA. The Investigating officer's name is Don Ferguson his number is 780-203-5155 call him now!!!!!
Also please call this complaint line and flood them with complaints regarding this store and keep calling every time you enter this store and notice something out of sorts. if they receive enough complaints they will shut his shop down.
It should be noted that Dan is now in the Exotic Bird Business and is currently in the process of slowly killing several Parrolets, Cockatoos, ect. When will this horror cease? and how many animals have to get thrown in the trash before we put a stop this despicable waste of skin? CALL TODAY AND CALL OFTEN!!!
These animals are running out of time. :angry:
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Can you not follow directions? Was your first thread not closed? Please read how to post on this forum.
 
Why should people without first hand business dealing waste the time of Don Ferguson?
Second hand information is fairly useless to any investigation.
 
The last time I posted today was at 2:24pm and the thread view count was at 23,615 views.

The thread view count is now at 24,720, which means it has risen by another 1,000+ views in that short span of time.

Dan has lots of animals listed on KS for sale. KS may be the place to go if you want to find the animals you are looking to purchase, but Fauna is the place to go to find out all about the seller behind those animals being sold.

Dan is screwed.

I could tell you about his ego, but its easier to just say straight out like that.

Dan Scolaro is.....screwed.
 
Red Deer InternetPetStoe said:
We are moderators of the Red Deer Internet Pet Store http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reddeerinternetpetstore/ and have long known about the going ons in Dan's house of horrors called Red Deer Reptiles and Such.
Lately members of our group have been complaining about this store and wondering what they could do to help these poor unfortunate animals. So I contacted JJ Reptiles in Calgary and received this info about the "Investigation" into this store by the SPCA. The Investigating officer's name is Don Ferguson his number is 780-203-5155 call him now!!!!!
Also please call this complaint line and flood them with complaints regarding this store and keep calling every time you enter this store and notice something out of sorts. if they receive enough complaints they will shut his shop down.
It should be noted that Dan is now in the Exotic Bird Business and is currently in the process of slowly killing several Parrolets, Cockatoos, ect. When will this horror cease? and how many animals have to get thrown in the trash before we put a stop this despicable waste of skin? CALL TODAY AND CALL OFTEN!!!
These animals are running out of time. :angry:
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Calgary? Are we talking about the same Dan Scolaro...?
 
Mckenzie_river_reptiles said:
Dan's Company's name is DTS. (Dead Things Shipped)... LOL
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Ha! I was figuring it was the egotistical bastards initials, but yours works much better.

DTS= DEAD THINGS SHIPPED.

Ha! Good stuff kiddo!

DTS= DOINKIN' THE SHEEP.

Ha! I think I like mine better!
 
ravensgait said:
As for your number 1 I can understand all of that except the "I will continue to do business with him". Myself I'd have said it more like this.. I would consider doing business with him again once he has taken care of this problem and could prove to me that his animals and facility were free of IBD. Al, if you read this thread then you know he sold an animal that had IBD. Dan has done a really poor job of lying and trying to misdirect this thread but the facts are here for people to see. Not having ever done business with Dan after reading this thread I wouldn't do business with him, his TOS sucks and his handling of problems well he doesn't handle them. Add in this IBD issue and people are going to run away. There are far better people I can spend my money with.

If this were say someone in the Cattle industry that had a disease like this they would find themselves under quarantine and all their recent customers would find Vets ETC climbing all over their facilities to see if they had this disease and would likely be quarantined till they were cleared. I mean come on we are under enough scrutiny from States and the Feds right now do we need some idiot like Dan adding to that? If we continue to show we are unable to regulate ourselves then one day we may find someone doing the job for us. We'll have the Dan's of the reptile world to thank when that day comes.

2, I don't know Al, seems like the facts were put out there and Al had his chance to do the right thing but instead he choose the low road and kept going down hill. Big difference here between a known scum bag giving you a bad time and this problem Dan created for himself. Your accuser never provided any proof yet we have proof here that Dan shipped a snakes that died and was found to have IBD. I don't see many similarities here do you? Randy
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I have been reading this thread in its disgusting entirety and while Dan has generally been either playin' dumb or plain dumb for most of it, I want to know, in all fairness to Dan, what should he do? Not to pick on you Randy, because others want the same thing, but you said "I would consider doing business with him again once he has taken care of this problem and could prove to me that his animals and facility were free of IBD.". Just how should he do that? Do we have any consensus or protocols? Or is he forever "stained"?

I'm asking this as much for the sake of the next guy that has this happen, the one who is more forthcoming and willing to "fix" things that may or may not need fixing. Now that there is some data that IBD may occur in snakes other than boids, how does one clear their collection?

It's a serious problem, and this is a serious question, Dan's obfuscation notwithstanding.


FunkyRes said:
It was a mistake to pack two snakes in the same bag. That should never be done.
The diagnosis I saw posted looks like it could have been IBD but could have been something else as well. I did not see a conclusive diagnosis.
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And you won't.

The etiological agent for IBD is unknown and therefore a necropsy cannot be definitive with respect to it. It is hypothesized that it is a retrovirus but even that is just hypothesis. Back perhaps before you were born, when I was in medical school, there was this new disease that some people in San Francisco were calling GRIDS (gay related immune deficiency syndrome) and then some of us in New York were seeing a related/smililar condition amongst Haitians and IV drug abusers and they called it AIDS. The retrovirus that caused most of the cases (HIV-1) was not isolated for a few years. Autopsies read "consistent with" at that time. Death certificates were another story. They tended to be definitive because they relied not only on the microscopic and gross pathology but also on what the clinical course was, etc. My point is that a necropsy often cannot make a definitive diagnosis. Clinical information is vital. A perfect illustration is to look at an autopsy report of an 80 year old man who dies suddenly. There is about a 25% chance that the pathologist will find prostate cancer in a man of that age. Does that make it the cause of death even if no other condition is found? Of course not.

Looking at that emaciated snake, and that report, it is almost certain that the snake that was reported on in that necropsy died of the syndrome known as "Inclusion Body Disease". Without an etiological agent and firm testing for it either by serological or other means, it will remain murky. That type of report is about the most definitive you are likely to see from any veterinary pathologist who is intellectually honest.

But even if one is to believe that there is a small possibility that it wasn't IBD, I would say that there is still an extremely high likelihood that it was, and that other collections, including Dan's may have been compromised. I wouldn't take that risk at this moment, especially given Dan's cavalier attitude.
 
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