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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

yoyoing said:
NA crotalids and cobras.
If I don't go back and read, the impression given is that IBD has been found. Is that the case?
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YES, there were necropsy reports posted of a boa from Dan that indeed DID die from IBD. The sickly emerald that Dan sold didn't die from IBD, that was the negative result that was recently posted.

And if you think boas and pythons are the only snakes that can have IBD, you may want to take the time to read this:


inclusion body disease was described in a group of vipers (Botriechis marchi, family Viperidae); the source ofthe disease was unknown,and the
animals had had no contact with affected Boidae (Raymond
and others 2001).
Copy and pasted for the report Jenn linked on page 138 post #690
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https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/doortiz2/www/IBD.pdf
 
Ms. Peterson,
Thanks for posting that. This is the first I have seen on IBD infection of Colubrids through contact with Boids.
 
I can't take credit for the information's original posting, John, I just re-posted it. It was originally posted by Jennifer Hedin (jrgh17), she deserves the credit for finding the information. I do believe that it needs to be reshared, as it's a scary thought that IBD has been identified in non-boidae.
 
yoyoing said:
I have dealt with Dan on a few occasions with complete satisfaction. Not having read all the posts, I will venture a comment.
The point seems to be how Dan handled one bad transaction. I did not notice alot of folks jumping on board with other horror stories.
Maybe this failure is due to a lack of experience with dissatisfied customers. I usually don't trust companies with sophisticated, double talking customer service (complaint) departments.
I would do business with the man again, and he does have some animals I am considering buying.
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James,

It's good to know that your dealings with Dan went well, and of course you will do as you wish with future purchases. The only facts we have so far is one snake dead with IBD, and another one dead with a viral encephalitis (whcih is not a minor issue). What concerns most people are not those two cases but the complete disregard for what might happen to other collections. :(
 
2,000 Annual Sales. 30,000+ Thread Views.

Dan says business is great, this thread has done no harm. Its a good thing for him he has YoYo & Cortiz as loyal customers.

HA!
 
Again, I admit to speaking out of ignorance. If in fact sick animals were knowingly sold, that is a HUGE issue. If customer service after the fact is a problem, that is something else. I don't think any dealer would claim responsibility for the collections their animals join.
If there is a pony in all this manure, what a shame that the posts I did read are from people distracting from this possibility (see above).
 
yoyoing said:
Again, I admit to speaking out of ignorance. If in fact sick animals were knowingly sold, that is a HUGE issue. If customer service after the fact is a problem, that is something else. I don't think any dealer would claim responsibility for the collections their animals join.
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If a dealer is KNOWINGLY selling sick animals, and continues selling sick animals, after it is shown that he has sold animals that have died from IBD within a very short time after he sold them, you don't think they should claim any responsibility for others' collections?

I'll refer again to the pictures of the boa that died from IBD, these pics were taken immediately after the new owner received them. Do you honestly think that this snake was healthy and perfect less than 24 hours before, and Dan didn't know that it was sick with SOMETHING?

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I have been following this thread from the beginning. I will also admit that I know very little about reptile illnesses. It took me reading all of two postings to realize how deadly this disease is. ( IBD )
What really, really worries me is that there is someone (Dan) out there doing as much reptile business as he is, and either he doesn't know much about this disease or he just doesn't care about this disease, or the animals that he is shipping all over the country. Possibly spreading this God awful disease all over the place. Plus he admitted to supplying several pet stores as well.
That sounds criminal to me and there must be a way to stop this from happening. He has basically been laughing at all of this and thinks it's a big conspiracy against him. "Lets all pick on Dan".
I think that all he cares about is getting the word out that he's a good guy because HE say's he stands behind his guarantees.
Well Dan, I have a guarantee for you. I guarantee that none of your business practises will change after this, and that you will do NOTHING to change any of this from ever happening again. (ie: educating yourself)
There is one thing I'm thankful for though, and that is that you are now retired from the military. I can not imagine you protecting anyone in a crises situation. I will refrain from saying anything more.
PS. I have loads of friends and family living near you and I have told them all about this thread.
 
Please reread the thread. You'll notice the topic turned from a skink order to people speaking about Dan's snake having IBD. Plus in all of the 190 pages, there are a lot of posts by Dan that just make you want to curl up and die inside your own head for being so ignorant.

I don't think you should argue anything here unless you've read the full 190 pages. You can make a comment you did business and you liked it, but to argue against something that was argued earlier in the thread (after your own admission to not reading it all), doesn't make sense.
 
spawn said:
Please reread the thread. You'll notice the topic turned from a skink order to people speaking about Dan's snake having IBD. Plus in all of the 190 pages, there are a lot of posts by Dan that just make you want to curl up and die inside your own head for being so ignorant.

I don't think you should argue anything here unless you've read the full 190 pages. You can make a comment you did business and you liked it, but to argue against something that was argued earlier in the thread (after your own admission to not reading it all), doesn't make sense.
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Spawn this guy is giving his point of view....He has skimmed over it and believes Dan to be an SELF CONSUMED PRI*K! I think he is right about Dan....
Are you understanding him right?
I'm not attacking you so let's keep this on Dan being a BAD GUY.
Later,
Luc
P.S. Hey spawn why did Dan stop posting?
 
Whichever one was James. He admitted he didn't actually read the thread.

P.S. Hey spawn why did Dan stop posting?

I don't know. And I don't care.
 
Jim is yoyoing, which is me. I don't recall arguing or having a "side". One point was to describe my personal experience. I also noticed so many extraneous comments in the 190 pages, that many hobbyist complainers seem to be involved. Thus, I selfishly asked a few direct questions to distill the essence of this thread.
My position is that sick animals should never be knowingly sold (but this should be established). Other than that, suppliers would never assume responsibility for the collections of others. That is a matter of husbandry (quarantine, etc.).
 
Its obvious that the snake was sick when shipped, by what the vet report states. All those symptoms don't occur overnight. It's also clear that Dan thought up that bogus story of one snake strangling the other and kept to it.
IMO Dan is a silly little man who isn't playing with a full deck of cards. On more than one occasion I had to get up from my comp and occupy my mind with something else because I was seething with anger and frustration that this guy ( Dan) was just not getting it.
Thank God for Critical Bill because at least he added some humour to a ridiculous situation. I look forward to reading more from him in future postings and other threads.

Leslie
 
James I have to wonder how long do you quarantine your animals? We are talking about IBD here and it isn't very well understood. What if you had a strict quarantine of say 6 months and the animal still infected your collection? Then you find out the person who sold you that animal knew he had an animal with the disease but didn't act on that knowledge nor tell you or anyone else he sold too that he had a problem?
You took every reasonable precaution yet still have dead animals. The seller was negligent so do you still think the seller wouldn't have some responsibility for your loss?

Hey chit happens but when you use a Bulls hind legs as a back rest you're going to get covered in it more often.. Randy
 
forever29 said:
I On more than one occasion I had to get up from my comp and occupy my mind with something else because I was seething with anger and frustration that this guy ( Dan) was just not getting it.
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Leslie I know the feeling I wanted to bang my head against a brick wall. I have never gotten a migraine ever from going back and fourth with some one on any thread...
 
As stated, KNOWINGLY selling sick animals falls outside my definition of good practice (if this is established).
I don't think anything I have written is not commonly accepted.
 
My position is that sick animals should never be knowingly sold (but this should be established). Other than that, suppliers would never assume responsibility for the collections of others. That is a matter of husbandry (quarantine, etc.).

I totally agree Jim. But, my point now is that I don't understand why you said that, because Dan wasn't held to a standard to refund the money for the animal, but to rather acknowledge the animal had a serious disease, and he didn't. A couple dozen posts of just stupid and sketchy words from him, and he lost a good shadow of a doubt of being responsible in a matter of days. I don't think he cares about IBD because frankly I think he's too old and set in his ways. He said he'd been working with the animals since the 70's yet knew about as much about IBD as Robert Downey Jr. knew about going 'cold turkey'. This thread is riddled with enough of his nonchalant stupidity and ignorance and egotistical and maniacal denial of the facts to make any newbie searching for information on Dan to quickly turn in the other direction. He doesn't meet anyone halfway on anything, and doesn't seem to understand simple forum rules like "NO THIRD PARTY ANONYMOUS QUOTATIONS."

Do I blame him for being senial? No. But I blame him for pretending to not be. He half-asses his way through it all and creates a mess.
 
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