Dave Lawson & Neil Gubitz

[Darin Chappell]

Jerry,

With all due respect to your obviously extensive experience in the reptile business (superior, I am certain, especially when compared to my own), I am not at all sure that this makes you qualified to address any possible personality deficiencies you may suspect in others. This is especially true considering the ease with which the written posts here are commonly misunderstood.

That being the case, you might really want to consider refraining from using phrases like "fixated disease," "obsessed person," and "death wish." All of those may well be clinical situations from which some do suffer, but I highly doubt that Wes does. I am even more certain of your inability to correctly diagnose whatever problems someone might suffer over the internet.

Really, we all ought to just leave this alone, wouldn't you agree?

 

[PAUL BOLLINGER]

Amen Dennis Gulla

You hit the nail on the Head!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KNOBTAIL]

Wes,

I can resist anything but temptation, so my reply is simple. My remarks to you pertained to your extremist position. Its the degree of that extreme condition that raises my concern. Ive delt with both kinds your and more violent approaches to their position. In either case, I think your are so fixated with your neverending persuit of Neil, that it blinds your best intentions. By the way, shame on you, for taking a simple positive email and attempting to use it as nothing other than what it was meant to be.

 

[Neil Gubitz]

Susin.... in response to YOUR question.... there are a LOT of FREE sites to sell herps on.... have you tried finding out some of their websites and asking them if Lawson ever posted there (just like you did with HerpAds)??.... I'm sure if you did a search on Google.com for "herp sites", or "reptiles" (and the like), you'll find many places one could list their herps for free....
If I knew of any others that might be used, I would certainly tell you.... I also know that there are others on this thread who have posted that know Lawson a LOT better than I do.... maybe THEY can give you some leads....

 

[W.Wedeking]

GENTLEMEN!

Can we please stop measuring penis size here and stick to the topic of this thread?

Isn't it bad enough that there is so much fertilizer in this thread it smells like a dairy?

 

[JungleHabitats]

i think what we need ....

is to all lick our lips and YELL 'HEYYYYY KOOOOLLLAIDDDDD'

Please i think we are all in need of some serious LOVEBOMBING HERE

 

[DThomas]

Re: The truth about Dave Lawson

Thank you all for your support. I will post pics and the list of stolen reptiles as soon as I learn how to post the pics.

Thanks again

Susin April Tippie

Seeing as everyone is still at the Neil lynching party,lol, I'll offer to help here. If you wish, you can e-mail me the scanned documents and I will size them and post them here for you. I wont be able to post them until about 11pm MST due to work, but I will post them.

 

[JungleHabitats]

i see your offer ...

and will raise you .....

Susan ill post them asap if you have the mready and can email them to me ...



"The BOI .....I love this Game "

 

[herpetological]

ok......

I've always been worried about "fantics" when it comes to anything... religion, politics.....judgement. For example when someone has no beliefs or every moment of their life is ruled by"something." (Yes, this will be slightly vague...some will understand) There is a happy medium. Within this happy medium lies...truth, honesty, intelligence,................ response without overwhelming emotion etc. Then, and only then can a person be balanced and fair. (Gee... I sound like some suth-sayer) (Can't spell and my keys are sticking!) It seems that Wes you have taken on the gauntlets to oppose Neil. Not that Neil has not deserved some of what he got. But, damn....can't it simply be..."Glad your deal went good... You should have checked these threads... It just doesn't look good. Just like Neil and Lawson have not "looked good" here for some time. Much of it has been due to their childish name calling and emotional attacks on each other. As well as the threads that oft-times were deserved. However, at this point why not do as you said and leave off unless Neil mentions you. If he does or in any way indicates that he is refering to you.....I will catch his Axx as well! I hope he continues to back off a bit(I hear teeth grinding) and has patience. Mistakes were made, we all know that. As was said by another member...as long as he is a productive member he is welcome. Hopefully we all are. Lawson.... if these things aren't true please do not go back to accusations or name calling. Wait and post facts. Emotion and anger here will NOT prevail. You see...I hold no sides.. I just watch and wait.. Everything will come out in the end. Can everyone hum the cult mantra?Hhhmmmmmm!
Yes Neil did say that Lawson was suspected of these incidents. Defenders on both sides...read...SUSPECTED! Not convicted or charged. I do however, think that it should be those individuals that come here and say, "We suspect". Because it just makes it look like another attack. He said, she said. No offense Neil but, I have to play the Devil's advocate on that one. At least you used the proper term...Suspected. Keeps everyone out of litigation! LOL! Amazing... Take a breath Neil your doing good!(sound of teeth grinding! Not mine!) LOL! Anyway, why don't we all ease up and not attack each other for whatever side is taken. Hopefully, this will be done soon. Maybe, it will come down to..BIG EVIL...little evil. At least little evil has a chance at
redemption????? Maybe.... Thanks Ray G. HBR

 

[Julie Moore]

It was suggested to me that I should go ahead and post this since everyone is now seeing Dave for what he truly is. Dave is in fact on probation until February 2004 from being charged with stalking (not from Nikki – I have no idea what is going on with that situation). His probation officer is Ms. Candice Elkin at The Salvation Army Correctional Services in Hillsborough County (Case#02-035723). Ms. Elkin told me that yes – Dave having been arrested is a violation of his probation and that he will be going to court for it. Why they didn’t just keep him in jail is beyond me.

Now for the can of worms. . .

Well – I got several peoples opinions as to whether or not I should post this part and was more or less told that I may as well go for it. I’m sure it will come of no surprise to anyone either, with all that has come to light about Dave since this thread was started. Now I know everyone probably couldn’t forget Neil’s May 2002 break in. I know a few details about that break in that are not here-say. Dave did in fact have Neil’s animals - and YES – I actually saw the animals, no one told me anything except for Dave having told me that they were Neil’s. They all got sold at Tony Cueto’s Raleigh, NC show that weekend. Now for the other part. Does anyone remember the mysterious phone calls that Neil’s father received form the illusive James Thornton? That was Dave playing his games again too. On several different occasions I actually saw and heard Dave place the phone calls to Mr. Gubitz posing as James Thornton. I never posted about any of this before because I know the games Dave plays. Like his nasty little insinuations to Mrs. Tippie – he tried pulling the same thing with me. He even went as far as somehow getting the passwords to my e-mail addresses (changing my info & totally locking me out of them) and e-mailed all kinds of horrible lies to people that we both knew, posing as me. Like I said before – I so glad to see everything is finally coming full circle for Dave. Isn’t karma a b**ch?
:laugh:

 

[Neil Gubitz]

Julie.... Thank you SO MUCH.... I really didn't think you would be that nasty to me in the emails I received from "you".... I always KNEW that it had to be Lawson posing as Thornton, because Thornton never knew my father's phone number but Lawson did.... I know there is no recourse I can take at this point in time to recover my animals or money for them, it's just been too long and I'm sure the statute of limitations is long over.... I'm just glad you had the guts to admit it now, even if it's too late to take action.... And I am glad to (finally) know that it WAS Lawson who burglarized my store!
Julie, I have ALWAYS liked you (and Lyman), and if you remember, I even tried to warn you about Lawson, to no avail.... I guess love IS blind....
But, you are more than welcome to call me at home if you'd like and we can discuss this in private, as I know there is more info that you don't want public.... and I would never make it public....
Again... THANK YOU!

Neil

 

[herpetological]

Well,

Doesn't that open a new can of worms? Tina Turk HBR (Fooled ya, you thought it was Ray. LOL!)

 

[John Apple]

Neil Gubitz????

Neil ..are those your posts being somewhat civil and personable to your 'fellow' herpers??
Does it seem that you are 'trying' to show some remorse for any deed that was dirty [hmm bearded comes to mind]
And does it seem that you are trying your interpretation of the truth as that ...the truth.
Is it just me or do you feel you can be accepted by all of us that you have called A$$holes at one time or another [remember the e-mail]
There is a forest of new leaves that you need to turn over.


And to you Dave...Don't drop the soap and don't shave your back

One more thing , this is for all you out there...HAVEN"T we all seen this before?? Well haven't we?

 

[Neil Gubitz]

John.... believe it or not, you're going to see a much kinder and gentler Neil Gubitz from now on.... now, please let me get back to turning that forest of leaves over, it's going to take awhile.... but, it'll be done in time.... if you're willing to GIVE me that time....

Neil

 

[Python Dreams]

In Wes's defence I would like to say that maybe some of Neils defenders should lay off..... Wes has every right to show whatever contempt or disdain he feels in any thread pertaining to Neil Gubits or anyone else here on the BOI... IT is due to a very bad history and behaviors that are completely unnacceptable displayed here very publicly on the BOI. Even for Stardust to worry about what is being said is pretty silly in my eyes... I'm glad you have such compassion for a man like Neil, but I hope the next little girl has the same luck if she even knows about the BOI... You think that was the only time? We all know people that have experiences that they dont post like your talking about.... How does that help anyone? I've heard bad stories about certain individuals (possilby Neil) where they were still giving him good guy posts here.... Will I say anything? NO..... If it was my circumstance... NO MATTER WHAT... If your only post is to jump on Wes for his views, your post is way less needed here. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DONT GET RIPPED OFF OR LIED TOO!!!!!!!! He only argues it because he keeps getting called out.... Their should be a peice of history in every thread to let all the future customers know the true personality of the person in question. I personally think that Neil is probably a very intelligent, witty, and friendly guy.... I also think that it kinda eats me up seeing his posts here again, knowing that you basically can do and say anything and lie time and time again disrespecting his own customers, friends, and anyone that has any value in the BOI, be banned twice, then come back like a rash...... It makes it all seem kinda like a bad joke....
Thanks,
Tom Baker

 

[JungleHabitats]

Tom

i agree to a point ,

Their should be a peice of history in every thread to let all the future customers know the true personality of the person in question.

But i think that only in a post where someone INQUIRES about that person . I honestly think that if someone has a "good guy" posted on anyone that that post should have the same right as you stated above to be left alone. In any post thats a inquiry i say ya its fairgame to give your opinion of the person there asking about.

But to repeat the same point over and over and over is somwhat ridiculous IMHO on a good guy post . let that post remain what it is a good gut post as i have stated there are miles of threads on Neil and if someone is going to make a purchase from him its there responsibility to do the homework. iftheres 50 threads on him and out of 50 there 20 which are 'good guy posts" and 30 that are bad guy posts and then 25 posts that have a inquiry about him thats where opinions belong. there wherein that buyer should be able to come to a logical conclusion as to the person they intend to do buisness with , if they then make the choice to do so and get burned , and post then you will most doubtedly have replies to "I told you so" if it goes well and is posted why should that post turn into what this one did .
i say yes inform when asked --- reply when warned-- and walk away when itgoes well and wait for the next post to give your opinions of that person .

i think that its valueable to let people know but there is a time a place and a appropriate thread to do so

 

[Adam Block]

Neil, you and Seamus are the two people that had what it took to be pro active and call me. As you well know most of what happends on the BOI is talked about many times on the phone before it's ever mentioned here. Even then more is done and worked out on the phone then in here as you and I have spoken many times.

I had respect for you from the start just for picking up the phone and being a man about things when I was clearly acting like a child. It's very easy to site here and judge somebody or comment on what your gut tells you. I know this because I've done it to you and others.

My gut told me on the BOI that you did your own store. When I spoke with you on the phone I felt like there wasn't a chance in hell you did. Because of that I bounced back and forth until I just stopped speaking with you and you stopped speaking with me.

You and I are two peas in a pod in many respects but I think we both know that based on how we've dealt with eachother. We're also the two least liked publicly and most liked privatly. That doesn't even touch the fact that if there were a vote to boot two people off the BOI you and I would come up the only two with votes.

Anyway, just wanted you to know I'm sorry for sending you mixed signals and not giving you the same respect you've given me. I'll be moved to FL in the next 3 months so it'll be nice to meet you face to face.

Sorry I jumped on the bandwagon, I if nobody else should have known better.

Take that test in my signature, I'm interested to know what you are even if you just email it to me.

 

[Stardust]

Tom,
In my own defense, and I am quite capable of defending myself
I am not a defender of Neils. And actually, am quite good friends with Wes. We are just smart enough to not let the BOI and differences of opinions to get in the way of that.
If you think I "only" came on here to "jump" on Wes you are sadly mistaken. It is not Wes being called out, but quite the opposite, Wes chooses to post at every turn.
If you have fully read this thread then you would see that the general consensus was to get back to the topic at hand.
Glad you are Wes' great defender, as if he needs on LOL.
What I will agree on is that I do NOT want to see kids hurt from ANYONE!!!
The rest that you said about my posts not being worth much or being "silly" well, I won't even dignify that with an answer.

 

[Wilomn]

Thanks for the support Tom but I was just talking to god and he said not to pi$$ of jerry, that he's not as stable as he once was and never reads the fine print.

As far as Rozann goes, I think she just misunderstood what I was getting at and that I was still on about neil's and her's bad deal which I was not. It seems several people got hung up on that. Let me make it clear for everyone- Rozann and Mike and their daughter are all satisfied with how things finally turned out with neil. On that issue I have no issue at all. NONE.ZIP.NADA.

My entire problem with him was brought to a head by the FACT that he sold them a sick snake and then replaced it with a lizard that was practically dead and should never have been sold in the first place much less as a gift for a kid. I have a problem with that type of repeated behavior. I think all of you should as well.

While we're on what I think, let me say that I think neil should not have been allowed back on here. He was banned for good reason the first time and for even better reason the second time. God said so, heh heh heh.

Now that he's back again I will, as I have said before, lighten up unless I'm brought back into things by my name being mentioned or him falling back on his "old" ways.

I certainly think that his presence here is more of a detriment than a benifit.

Wes Pollock

 

[WebSlave]

I certainly think that his presence here is more of a detriment than a benifit.

Be that as it may, the more I have been thinking about it, the more I had to come to the conclusion that unless I want to eventually become a "you-kno-who" junior, I needed to back away from the banning stuff. Basically, I'm not going to be playing "mommy" on the BOI. What right do I have to tell YOU who you can and cannot listen to here? If you all can't figure it out yourself, determine who the BS artists are and who are the ones that you should just skip over their messages, then that is your problem, not mine.

I've heard people referring to the BOI as a "joke", "cesspool", "Board of Idiots", "soap opera", etc., etc., etc. Well fine. Everyone will have their own opinions and they can think about this as they please. YOU make the decision on what the BOI will be to you by what YOU read and what YOU post here. I am not going to make that decision for you. It will ALL be here for you to read, and YOU have to sift through it.

Personally I don't care either way. From the start the BOI has never helped me with the people I have gotten screwed by, has cost me a lot of money to keep running, sucked away more of my time than certainly any of you can even imagine, cost me access to kingsnake.com defending YOUR rights to post here, and basically been a tremendously huge pain in the rear. For all of that, I think the only thing I can claim as a benefit is that I get to run my SerpenCo.com site for free (well almost) on one of my servers. Whoopie..... What's that, maybe $15 per month I'm saving?

So if I decide to cut my losses and reduce my mental workload by pulling back on my day to day involvement and trying to make this site what only half of you will appreciate anyway, what of it?

The BOI is ALWAYS going to be here, because now I have no choice in the matter. You can participate in whatever manner you feel most comfortable, but please stop complaining if it is not entirely exactly what you want it to be, because I'm just going to stop listening to the complaints.

So I let Neil back on. Tough noogies...