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Dave Lawson & Neil Gubitz

It is just not possible for threads to stay on topic in the BOI. That much has been proven time and time again. I have learned to live with that for the most part.

What I am asking you all to do, is to try to limit it as much as possible so that the FOCUS of the thread doesn't become something entirely different from the original topic. This site is intended to be a resource for people to find information in. Off topic messages embedded deep within a thread will probably never be found again, and defeat this purpose.

Think of it this way: If you want to write something and have people be able to find your words 2 years from now, what is the best manner in which to post your message for those future readers? Many people will do keyword searches strictly on the topic lines, as this is the most efficient and quickest way to do a search in a large message board system. Off topic posts will NEVER be found in such a situation.

For instance, if someone wanted to find my views on off topic posting, what to you think the chances are that this message will ever be found by them?

See what I mean?
 
Sorry, got emotional! Won't happen again............tonight.

You're correct, makes searching the site hard and all.
 
Now, where did Dave Lawson run off to? I'm asking again Dave:

You are saying that the document that has been posted here with a case # of 03-061536, the one that is initialed by Detective Masci and Sgt. Clamon, the one that indicates you are charged with other crimes (by the check mark at the bottom of the page), the one that says you admitted to committing the offense of Susin Tippi's burglary.......you are saying that document is false?

Please elaborate. Was the entire document forged? Did you refuse to sign the confession after agreeing that you would, therefore making the document null and void? What is your explanation for that document, Dave?
 
"Neil, you and Seamus are the two people that had what it took to be pro active and call me. "

Uh, Adam, I believe you and I spoke on the phone for quite a long while once about a year ago over the garbage that was then happening in relation to you here on the BOI. I remember it distinctly because I was on my cell phone outside, and it was C-C-C-C-COLD!!


Anyway, back to the actual topic . . .

All of this back and forth has really gone nowhere in relation to Neil and his banning/unbanning. It's done.

There are a few things for all of us to consider however:

Those who are against Neil's presence have their reasons (which go well beyond the PI report), but those who are in favor of his presence have their reasons as well (Neil has helped a LOT of people over the years, I am certain, and he IS a personable fellow, when he wants to be).

It is somewhat hypocritical for one side to chastize the other side for simply being on "the other side" (Neil's supporters are not inherently evil crooks, and his detractors are not simply "out to get him"), and continuing to viewing each other in these ways does no good for anyone involved.

I am willing to let Neil prove the veracity of his words concerning his most recent make-over. However, as was pointed out by someone else, this is not the first time Neil has come back saying that everything is clear to him, and he is ready to be a productive citizen in our little community here. Some of you may not have realized that we HAVE heard all of this before, and THAT is why some tend to be a little gunshy when it comes to Neil and his appologies.

As far as the break-ins at his store are concerned, I have no qualms in saying that I am glad Neil did not have anything to do with them. I truly am. However, being exonerated in one part does not equal being exonerated in the whole. Neil says he is turning over a new leaf, and I hope he does/has. However, for those who are his most ardent supporters, please do not think that Neil has developed his standing in the court of public opinion merely from that PI report. Neil did ask the WebSlave to go into cahoots with him to lie to all of us so as to pacify the original contributors to the Burglary Fund. Thankfully, Rich's ethics were of more sturdy stuff than to go along with him.

Neil, I am sorry to have brought that up again. I only did so because, some are acting as though there was no reason for you to be banned except the PI report. That was not true at all, and I think we need to be completely above board on all of this. I do not want to see anyone bashing you needlessly, and I have been in private communication with some to try and keep that from happening. If you are truly going to get it right this time, I want you to do so (though I, admittedly, still have some doubts). Even so, I believe it is equally unfair to those who are still suspicious of your intentions to make them appear to be irrational zealots, relying only on a report we all now know to have been faulty, at best. That was never the case for most people here, and I honestly doubt it factors very heavily today, either.
 
banning/unbanning of Neil

This is a post purely to put my thoughts on this down and hopefully lay it to rest.

I do not consider myself as a "Neil supporter". I spoke what transpired between the transaction Neil and I had with the snake and the uro. I spoke of my anger at the time. In doing so I was able to release that anger, and I chalked it up to a learning experience. I had not communicated with Neil for a long while. It was him that sought me out for the sole purposes of making things right. At the time of this, there were no threads going on about him, he had NOTHING to gain by doing this. We then talked, I heard him out, I will not go into it, anger spent, time gone by, and a man trying to make good on something I would speculate, must have been bothering him. I accepted his offer to repay, in return I gave Upstate a chance. One good deed deserves another. I also posted that Neil made right by me.
I would have thought it would be over said and done, but when I go to all threads on Neil and see someone reminding of the deal, I feel in fairness I should comply and post the outcome as well. It is the only fair thing to do. That should not put me in the backing of Neil. It is to me just following up with the WHOLE truth of the matter. And have since dealt with him again, as well as talking WITH him at length. I have asked point blank questions, probably some that are none of my business, he has answered.
A supporter no, someone who is getting to know him and putting some trust out there in him, yes. I will continue to do.
As far as the break ins. I never did take too much stock in the PI report. He did ask Rich to lie, true. We have all made our share of mistakes. I kind of looked at him at the time as a caged animal caught in a corner of lies (lies of others)and came out fighting, that included perhaps some mistakes on his part. He did what I am trying not to do now, he fought without looking, and he did the second wrong that does not make a right.
I for one, will push forward. I do not wish to harp on what has been done and can not change. I plan on talking with him, listening, and watching.
Neil, good luck turning over those leaves, if you need a little help along the way do not hesitate to call. :)
 
ROZANN, I am sure Neil appreciates

your sentiments, and I am also sure that if he had the opportunity to turn back that clock, the outcome would have been different.

Their are however, members who are not as kind as you, who will not accept any explanation or are totally unforgiving. I am sure if these crusaders could, they would give Neil a "scarlet letter" so that others would know that he has done wrong and should never be forgiven ..............or forgotton. I think this has been an excellent learning lesson for all parties concerned as to how things can get out of hand. Although I really dont know Neil, I know he will be more careful in his dealings. Thank you for your post, it was most rewarding. JERRY TRESSER
 
All I am saying is that this wound will never heal over if one side or the other is always picking the scab, folks. Neither side has a corner on the "good intentions/kindness" market, and we are all going to have to just agree to disagree on this.

Neil will do what he will do, and the decisions he makes will tell us all we need to know about his intentions one way or the other. It's time to just sit back and let things progress, folks.



:toiletcla
 
I guess I will stick my nose in this for just a moment. I don't know Neil, and most likely never will. I have met Dave, and I'm not impressed. I personaly have no doubt that the crimes he is accused of are true, especially the sexual parts, as I have seen him do the same to another in public in person. And Dave, being drunk is no excuse. As for Neil: The break ins, who knows? The poor quality service and/or animals, that has been documented. The lies, that shows charactor, and I will never do business with him just for that reason. It is nothing personal, it's business. However, the thing that sticks in my craw the most, if there is to be one thing, is the email that was supposed to be sent to Terry Lilly and was accidently sent to someone else. I don't have the email, nor a link, perhaps someone else would post that if you're interested. It was rude, and I found it personaly insulting not just to me, but to every member of this site. And, as indicated by Neil in the email, this entire site is populated with a bunch of fools and idiots, why would Neil want so badly to get back on here in the first place? I for one don't like being talked about badly behind my back, especially by one guy that has a proven track record of dishonesty, and another who was well on his way to become just like him. That's it, butting out now.
 
I would like to explain something, if you'll let me.... I don't expect anyone to blindly support for any reason.... with respect to the "email" I sent to Rich, asking him to "bend the truth".... at that particular time, *I* was being accused of stealing that money by Lawson.... I KNOW I didn't steal anything from anybody (myself or the BOI people), that email (if I remember correctly, and a lot of you know how my memory is) was to save a lot of people a lot of grief.... I didn't want the hassle of having to explain the absence of that money, because I had no proof at all of where it went, I didn't want the BOI to think that their money was spent in error (which it obviously was).... I KNOW what was in my heart and it certainly wasn't to decieve anyone for the wrong reason.... If any of you can POSSIBLY imagine what I was going through at that time, I was an emotional wreck.... I was lashing out at everything and everybody, because I knew none of it was true, but, again, I had no proof.... if any of you can find that email (and I have privately emailed Darin Chapell asking him to do just that).... if you would read it in the LIGHT YOU SEE NOW, maybe that will explain my reasoning for that email more clearly.... when Rich and I talked it over, we BOTH decided it wasn't right to do and we BOTH thought it was a bad idea.... Rich posted it when he, too, thought I had stolen the money (which wasn't true, but, he didn't know that at the time).... I hold NO hard feelings for what any of you thought about me at the time.... you were being swindled by the BEST (Lawson).... but, I certainly hope you can empathize with what I had to put up with for three years.... that email was not meant to be malicious, it was meant to curtail the bad feelings for me and to ease the stress of many of you who donated to that cause.... I had the best of intentions in mind....

Neil
 
Oh come on now!

"bend the truth"....
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I think this is starting to get a little stinky Neil!
Some of us have good memories, but perhaps we are just too sick of all the drama to post our personal experience with you Neil (again).
It is called lying! Give it a rest.
 
Darin, I'm an idiot. Nobody is going to come in here and say anything different. What you said just backs it up.

What happend is I knew I was moving to SC and for fear of maybe turning into a hillbilly myself I put the whole thing out of my mind! Now I'm here, I'm not a redneck or hillbilly yet so I'm starting to remember more of these things.

Sorry you are correct, we did speak! Now here's the key question. Did I lie when I said Neil and Seamus were the only two or did I just forget:) I guess it depends who ya ask.. LOL
 
adam, in answer to your question above about whether you lied or simply forgot here's my opinion.

It comes down to what is known of your character. Do you warrant the benifit of the doubt or do you not? If you have not been caught lying or selling animals that shouldn't be sold or sticking up for scumbags or lying or trying to mislead people that question you or lying or putting a spin on someone elses story then, and only then, if none of these things have occured, do you rate the benifit of the doubt.

If you have a questionable character, if you have been caught lying and sidestepping issues, if you have been caught selling animals that should never have been sold or lying, if you can't answer a question after having it asked of you several times and/or you've been caught lying, then you do not rate the benifit of the doubt and if such is the case, that in fact you do not rate that benifit, then I for one would lean towards the lie being told once again.

It's character and history. Take a little step into the future with me. It's sixteen years from now and your daughter has just been asked to the prom. She's excited and really wants to go with the guy that asked her. HOWEVER, he was arrested for assault on his last girlfriend, not charged but only because the girl didn't want to go to court. She was afraid of him. He's suspected of a couple of minor thefts in the area as well, no proof but it sure sounds like it's him. You KNOW he lied about hitting the last girlfriend as she's the daughter of a guy you've worked with for years. You're pretty sure he did the theft he was accused of but you can't prove it. It's funny though how a week before the store was broken into his car had bald tires and a week after he had brand new ones and he has no job of his own. Oh well, coincidences happen. This is the same guy that has said he's sorry for getting out of hand with your friends daughter and that he will never let it happen again. He told you this in confidence because he "really likes your daughter and thinks she's very special" but, asked you not to tell anyone else as he doesn't want to open that can of worms again. He has also said that if she, the friends daughter, really wanted to, she could still press charges and he would tell the whold truth in court when they were both there and under oath. It seems he doesn't really think it was his fault.

Do you let your daughter go to the prom with this guy? Do you give him the benifit of the doubt?

If it were me and he admited to hitting my friends daughter....... well let's just say he wouldn't be making it to that years prom.

But hey, if you want to trust him, you go right ahead. After all, he SAID it would never happen again.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that he was also a suspect in the beating of another young lady from a neighboring school? Rumor has it that they dated for about two weeks, had an argument in front of some friends in which he said she'd be sorry and that was it. A couple of his buddies alibied him for that one but, people don't quite believe he's innocent. Somethings just not quite right about it.

Does your pride and joy go out with him?

Wes Pollock
 
In the above post I did not mean you in particular adam. The you I was referring to was the general you that could be anyone not the particular you that is only adam. I was not singling you out for that part.

That's not quite as clear as I meant it so I hope it's understandable, this was not meant to be a dig at you at all.

Wes Pollock
 
Well Wes, I seem to fit into some of the above. I didn't take it personal, I know the things there I have or haven't done.

Darin, with that said, I guess I've been caught in yet another lie when I said Neil and Seamus were the only two that called me. I seem to have a real issue with lying and honestly just can't seem to help myself.

You must be asking, why would he lie about such a silly thing? Only God knows why people like me are alive. We can't be trusted so what good are we? I only hope time will tell me why I'm allowed to live.

Do you let your daughter go to the prom with this guy? Do you give him the benifit of the doubt?
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Wes, do you know how many guns I own? I think the real question here is going to be what kid is stupid enough to ask my 16 year old daughter to the prom! You know the drill, comes over to pick her up, finds me cleaning the meanest looking gun he's ever seen in his life. Then somehow ends up having both the oddest and scariest conversation he's ever had with a dates father.

Do I seem shy to you? Do I come off like a guy that doesn't speak his mind? LOL He'll have little doubt in his mind that if he smacks my daughter I'll be taking him on his next date.

I was 16, I know what the girls who's parents told them not to go out with a guy (okay well yeah...me) did. No way in hell I'm making that mistake!
 
Hey Wes,
Thought you weren't going to post here unless Neil called you out??? Was that a lie?????? OMG lolololol
 
It is possible that I'm wrong but, I think you totally missed the point of my post.

Such is life.

Good luck.

Wes Pollock
 
Actually Rozann, if you actually READ my post I did not say that. Reread it and you'll see that I have not lied.

Wes Pollock
 
Adam,

I understand that I am perfectly forgetable, and I wasn't calling you a liar (I'm actually fairly clear about that when I level such a charge). However, I froze my posterior off talking to you, and I wanted credit where it was definitely due!

:bluegrab:
 
Looks like we need to add adams name to the title of this thread. While I was writing earlier, in response to adam's question, I totally forgot that I was in this thread on neil and dave. I do, on occasion, get rather caught up in what I'm writing.

Sometimes it's really hard to tell which thread I'm in with these guys. The whole peas in a pod thing is a good analogy, there are very few differences in the big picture.

Wes Pollock
 
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