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TraceyB said:

Lisa....I appologize for continuing this thread but as you did, I need to defend myself as well.......had I been more observant last night I would've addressed this in my other post....

Well it seems the BOI has done a good thing for me in helping to get this dragon matter resolved, but it has also lost me several Beardie contacts who I valued for their opinions and standards.

Tracey, you had every right to defend yourself, as does Cheri and Axe. I did not feel it was my place to defend each of you since it would have just gotten turned around into something else anyway. Someone would have come on with garbage about "friends sticking together" and we all know that would have started another bashing contest.

Hope all goes well for everyone invloved in this thread and I will post the final outcome when the dragon matter has finally been completely resolved.
 
Cheyenness said:
Tracey, you had every right to defend yourself, as does Cheri and Axe. I did not feel it was my place to defend each of you since it would have just gotten turned around into something else anyway.

Thank you. I don't need to defend myself to the likes of Bill. :)
 
No worries Lisa....my post wasn't directed at you at all......just explaining why I went against your wishes after you asked we stop the thread until after the dragon was returned......I certainly did not intend for it to appear that way, though when I reread it after your post I realized it could be taken that way also.....
 
I find it it really funny, and a bit immature for someone to actually think people run in a pack like wolves doing "joint attacks".

I guess I can be included as a "joint attacker", when in actuality, we all frequent the same forum and have similar husbandry beliefs.

It stands to reason if people have the same husbandry standards, they will reply to a post in similar form. This in turn is summed up as a joint attack?

None of the people mentioned need anyone else to back them up. They are all independant individuals that have no problem standing on their own for what they believe is right.

If someone feels attacked over differing opinions, then that's a insecurity thing.
Not something any of the afore mentioned people deal with.
 
FYI...
Lisa e-mailed me, Cheri and Tracey and "ASKED" for our input here. Due to the fact that we had all seen or heard of the droopy eye thing before.

While you and Bill may find it entertaining to go OT just to get your digs in, everyone elses mission was to help Lisa get her problem straightened out.

Mission accomplished on our end. What's your purpose?
 
I guess you should've mentioned more names, maybe someone else would know who you are.....I've never even heard of you.......
 
Boss

I think the point above in case you missed it, was that you make this statements about several of us doing something on another site which outside of the fact it is not true and being friends, also not true, so that's why we commented on this thread, which also is not ture.......... none of us have ever heard or seen you on the site forum you make these statements about.

Kind of looks like someone put you up to saying those things as in intro for them to play games. kind of ......

It cool, whatever makes you row your boat, us Sweethearts are happy to make your day

but has nothing to do with this thread and the facts here, but I guess it serves your purpose or theirs
 
this has gotten away from the point of this thread with Boss's comments, and it is not productive to this thread that is in the process of resolving

Please, take it to this thread in HELL section, to continue
Boss..... you have been asked for proof of your accusations of other, please place them there

Sweethearts and Boss thread in Hell
 
REFUND STATUS!!!!!

Total refund has been received and the dragon made it back to the breeder. The refund was issued by JEFF and DAWN! This problem has been resolved to my satisfaction.

Thank you everyone for your help and Thank you Dawn and Jeff for following through on this purchase / refund.
 
We are glad that the dragon is back and that you have your money.Sorry for any inconvenience.Jeff and Dawn
 
I'm glad this had a good ending.....thank you unknown breeder and Jeff and Dawn for working things out as I figured you would! Seems that in life things often get complicated when they shouldn't but you guys cut through the junk and simplified it! Thanks!
 
This is from the ORIGINAL BREEDER of the female!

This is to everyone that has participated or viewed this thread over the past few days. My name is Rob Misiewicz and I’m the original breeder of the female that was the basis of this discussion. Around 10:20am this morning the dragon arrived back into my custody. She arrived alive and alert, looking at me like she might know who I am. Anyways, she has taken a bath and residing in her own enclosure. After she is 100% stabilized I will be taking her to the vet for blood work. I sent Lisa the remaining balance for the transaction, that JEFF sent to me Sunday. Jeff is the one refunding the total $280, NOT ME.

When I told Jeff I would buy her back from him, at what I sold her at, he refused. He wants me to keep the dragon at no cost to me. He is the one loosing his money here, no one else. I’m going to work something out with him because I feel that it is not his fault that all of this happened. To be honest it’s no ones! Jeff had a dragon, that to all of his knowledge, was 100% healthy. She was eating and gaining weight so he considered her healthy.

Jeff had no prior knowledge to what the “saggy eye” condition meant, neither did I, this is the first time I have heard what it can lead to, or what is already occurring inside the dragon. So if it did originate from Jeff or I, we were completely ignorant of the subject. I have gone through my whole collection and I have not seen “saggy eye” syndrome in my collection, nothing comes close to what I have seen here. Well actually, I do have one now, this female that I just received back, but the rest look good. I’m sure Jeff has closely examined each one of his animals and he can say the same thing, but you will have to talk to Jeff on that one. Now that I have been made aware of this condition I know I will be checking around forty eyes everyday to see if anything is developing, but I doubt it will.

Anyways I feel that this problem is solved. Lisa has her money back, I have the dragon and Jeff gave her Lisa her unconditional refund.

This next paragraph is for the people that wanted me to post and I was nowhere to be found. I was not hiding from anything that I am or stand for; I just don’t like to be caught up in the drama of these things. If you ask Lisa, Cheri, or Joe Regan I personally called them to talk about this situation over the phone for quite sometime. I put in well over six hours on the phone talking about this situation, so if you thought I was scare I wasn’t. I just hate the way these things can turn out on the boards, as everyone has seen. For some reason, people are always attacking or defending themselves when no real progress is being made. I prefer to handle these things over the phone or better yet, in person. If anyone wants to talk to me about this girl or check on her progress you can call or email. 248-879-4504 or [email protected], ask for rob. Thanks! I hope this thread clears things up for everyone.
 
ORIGINAL BREEDER POSTING UPDATE

Quick update. She arrived at 10:20am and at noon she has eat 14 1.5" Eublaberus distanti and 4 adult lobster roaches. It looks like she is going to make a full turn around.
 
Rob

Rob,Dawn and I want to thank you again for all of your help in this matter.You are a great person and have great dragons.Like always let us know when you have something available.We have bought several dragons from you and will continue to do so.Keep in touch.Jeff and Dawn P.S-thanks for letting us know that she is eating very well already,it makes us feel much better.Take care.
 
I didn't think you needed to reply myself....you weren't involved in the transaction originally.....

Very cool of you to step up and help.....

Good luck with her and let us know the outcome if you have time!

Take care
 
The outcome of this is VERY good, and most of all the dragon involved made the trip back safely to her human father and will receive the best of care.

Thank you Jeff, for following through on your promise and refund, it does redeem much of the initial actions and thoughts. Just so you know, I do believe that you were not aware that this symptom can be related to many medical conditions that can be serious. This industry sometimes has people that scam and run. I think we have all felt that bite at one time or the other, at minimum know others that have. Thank you for sticking with responding, not running and following through.

Rob, I hope you will let us know about her in the future and what you find out. Most of all thank you for being a stand up guy, caring breeder and never forgetting why we all first became involved with a reptile species.
 
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