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Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth

OK people, I'm done with all of this stuff....I'm just tired.

And you cant keep your lies straight :thumbsup:

Again, I assumed that telling everyone that there's someone on fauna selling and shipping sick snakes would have been a good thing...

It is a good thing... we appreciate you outting yourself. Yep... you did
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am
To: [email protected]

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!
Thanks-
Nick

I stand by my the thigs I've said.
I stand by the way I do business and treat others.

Scary thought huh..... this is the way you do business and treat others.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am
To: [email protected]

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!
Thanks-
Nick

I hold no malice towards anyone, regardless of what was typed. People make mistakes, all of us......but I can tell you, without a doubt, without a question, we have never knowingly and or purposely sold a snake that was sick. It simply is NOT the way we would do business.

Can someone have me a stamp made? Hey Nick.... didnt you also say the following? How is that not purposely selling a snake that was sick. You said... if he does not sell OR if he remains Ill. Which means... you knew he was sick. :shootfoot
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am
To: [email protected]

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!
Thanks-
Nick
 
Well, I'm certainly glad I stayed up for this: Think we got more than we anticipated, yet exactly what we should have expected...a vet report with no mention of IBD whatsoever, and still everything virtually unanswered.

Great theory on Nick selling a sick snake of his own(or from elsewhere) and trying to pin it on Kevin. With him being as inexperienced as he claims to be, flipping 300 snakes in a year's time is no doubt an overwhelming task...:
 
I have tried repeatedly to apply the Vet report to fauna message board, it will not copy.
Again, I stress, if anyone would like a copy and or can help me post it, just email.....nothing to hide.
As well, I would like to stress, we have never knowing sold an ill snake, it's simply not true.
We sterilize daily, our area is clean...as is our home.
The sick snakes WERE SENT TO US from Kevin....do ya get that?
To address the issue that I may have 'asked' for replacement snakes......Kevin offered them to me! That is his polite way of settling, and it's appreciated.
I PREFER a refund, AND NOT the possibility of more sick snakes.
I gave my buyer a choice, with the first choice being "cash", as I'd do for any buyer.
Not sure why I was told Kevin doesn't have the ability to refund our money, but admittedly, his financial affairs are his private concerns. I prefer a refund, but sadly, he's not offering one. Some people are stating that I requested snakes....but know at this point, anything would be better than what I have in-hand, nothing. Wait, less than nothing.
I didn't do anything except get sick snakes mailed to me.....why am I being attacked?
I am refunding my customer.
I do not purposely sell sick snakes. I have clearly made a huge huge error this time around by releasing a snake before its quarantine time had expired, but as stated prior, Kevin ensured me they were not sick, that he kept them thin, and we are far less experienced, so we took him on his word, and for that I stand corrected. I admit I was in error on this point, but I repeat, I have offered my customer a refund, Kevin has NOT done so!
Tell me, what was I to do when I realized what was happening, say nothing, do nothing, not start a thread even though Kevin ignored my emails? He offered no solution, so I wanted to tell others about uit so nobody else got the same thing, sick snakes.
Would it have been better if I did not tell everyone else that he sent me these sick snakes? Would it have been better if I would have permitted him to do this again, maybe to one of you, one of the people attacking me....for telling everyone that one of us is knowingly sending out ill snakes. Shoot people, one would think, instead of attacking me, you'd thank me for exposing the TRUTH!
Again, I can offer the Vet report......it will show a 3-4 year old snake with a weight of 700-ish grams!!!!!!!! Get that?!......a 3-4 year old snake, at 700-ish grams! Say WHAT?!...and I'm the bad guy?!
People, concerning any person under this roof, you'd NEVER have to worry about us knowingly or purposely sending you a sick snake, never! We're not of line of thinking, we do not need the money bad enough to purposely hurt others, it's NOT who we are! We are a good family, we love our animals, we care for them, genuinely.....and all the purposely hurtfull statements, they are unfounded.....they are simply uncalled for....they are not true.
Kevin sent sick snakes, I told everyone about it.....and now I'm paying for trying to bring to light that one of us is knowingly sending out sick snakes. Where's the justice folks?
By the way, I'm done with the childish back & forth. If someone wants to speak, or insult me, by all means, I posted my email address....come direct.
Also, I offered the vet report, email me....come direct.
I wasn't the one hiding, I was the one posting the event.....get it!?
I am approachable, if you have something to say, drop me a line........

How about just a straightforward answer to my last post? Sure, you could end up providing enough information about the seller that warrants awareness to everyone in the community. You have also provided evidence that suggests you had little regard for anyone in trying to move the snake out that was sick.

You sir will not address specific questions. How can you state that you don't sell sick snakes when you actually stated that you would try to unload a sick snake on someone else?

You haven't addressed your own words. you simply state "I don't sell sick snakes".



Again your own words-
------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am
To: [email protected]

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!

Yes, you could end up proving the seller is a bad risk but that doesn't negate what you have done.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2011 3:09 pm
To: [email protected]

Report just back from vet's office. You sent me snakes with IBD, and you would have had to know it!
I posted one thing on Fauna already, if needed, a copy og the IBD report goes on fauna, unless you take care of this issue!

It's needed, please post it. You stated very clearly that you have a copy of the "IBD report". You have been stating you are going to post it. Where, oh where is it? Is it really hard to follow what you say you are going to do? Why would you send this to be posted when you have a "IBD Report" ready to share?
 
Go figure nothing answered by this peoce of work. That's the normal MO. It was highly entertaining at first. But now I just find it so pathetic that I'm starting to gag.

Nick....
Noone has attacked you or is. People are merely making you stand by your words. But you do that already... Huh.
What's really crazy is that these are YOUR quotes. YOUR words. And you have backpedaled all the way.
Hint hint... If you ever should have to start a boi bg thread you should probably make sure you have your story right, with proof, and you'll probably need a justice of the peace now to notorize. Bc I think you've cried wolf a few to many times for everyone here.

Note to self: Never ever ever under any cirumstaces ever do business with NICK.

Stop typing, turn off the computer, and please god leave this awesome hobby alone please just stop. Get out of the reptile industry/hobby for good and leave it to people that do care about the animals and have honest business practices.

Morgan Weiss
 
Actually Nick, you proved you were lying with the report posted. The animal was pronounced dead at 3:06 PM on the 9th. It states clearly that a choice was made to send to CSU for necropsy. You email on the 10th that you had a report of IBD. That in of itself could not have happened from death at 3pm and the very next day you sent the email.

You falsely claimed someone had IBD and tried to blackmail them with it so you wouldn't post it here. It didn't work.
 
In case you stepped away from your computer and missed the phenomenal play that Nick executed... let me recap.

~I work to the highest levels of care, and I am honest.
~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes
~I do not, will not, and or would not knowing sell an ill snake.

I do not purposely sell sick snakes.

People, concerning any person under this roof, you'd NEVER have to worry about us knowingly or purposely sending you a sick snake, never! We're not of line of thinking, we do not need the money bad enough to purposely hurt others, it's NOT who we are!


And yet here is the email that he sent to his seller in regards to a supposedly sick snake. There was never any proof posted by Nick. The emails were actually posted by the seller.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!
Thanks-
Nick

~... I do not keep sick snakes.

For once he's telling the truth. He tries to sell them off as quick as possible. He even admits it to his seller in the above email.




I stand by my the thigs I've said.
I stand by the way I do business and treat others.

And this is what he is standing behind.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:22 am

Kev, Just saw a partial refund.......thoughtful.
What I will try to do over the next few days is try to sell this guy. If he sells for more than the balance I have invested, I will send you any overage. If he does not sell or if he remains ill/dies, I will let ya know. I increased temps and will monitor daily.
You're a Pro, all the way!
Thanks-
Nick

So do you really want to take a chance that you will be his next victim of receiving a sick snake that may be so ill that he thinks it may die?
 
There's more than a few things that aren't adding up here.

First, Nick doesn't have a single photo showing the alleged conditions of these animals upon their arrival. If I opened a bag to find drastically underweight snakes or one with snot hanging out of its nose, I would definitely take pics to send to the seller as I would be returning all 3 as soon as safely possible. I think the majority of us would do the same. Even if it did somehow slip his mind, there's no way I'll believe that it didn't occur to him to take a picture of the animal after its death. As of right now, there's no proof that a snake has even died. Also, why didn't Nick mention the snotty snake in his first email complaining about them being too thin?

Then, of course, there's this...

Two snakes, they never ate a meal under our roof, one arrived with snot hanging out of his nose, all 3 bagged together allowing for spread of illness

I in-turn sold one of these snakes to a very nice nice young couple

The above is your words, Nick. You claim one arrived sick. You complained about them all being in the same bag, recognizing the potential for disease transmission. Then you state that you sold a snake that had been in direct contact with the supposedly sick animal.

I did not sell a sick snake knowingly!

Knowingly? Is that your loophole? After all, since a vet didn't tell you the snake was sick, how could you know? :rolleyes:

I have 2 dead, one which is not well. I spent x-amount, I prefer to have that amount, minus the $125 you've covered with a pair that I also need to dump because of fears they are bad too.

Here we see you stating in an email that you're going to try to sell another pair even though you believe they might be sick.

~I do NOT keep or sell sick snakes, I was SOLD sick snakes

I'm not saying that you weren't sent sick snakes, but if you were, then it appears you sold some too.

Now here's where I really get confused.

Kevin sent me snakes, two never ate, now dead.
Post death vet check being done, report in fairly soon, and I will post a copy.
Kevin disconnected phone, not answering me, not addressing problem.
Not sure what to do when we're ripped off!

Now maybe I'm just miscalculating the time stamps, but the above post was made by Nick on 5/10/11 at 6:11pm. If that's the case, then why did Nick, in an email to Kevin sent 5/10/11 at 3:09pm, say...

Report just back from vet's office. You sent me snakes with IBD, and you would have had to know it!

I realize this might just be a time zone issue, but thought I'd bring it up.

Finally, the vet report that supposedly proves IBD gets posted, but like a few others have mentioned... I don't see IBD anywhere on that report. Also, the report itself seems rather strange to me. It appears to have been made the same day that the snake died (5/9/11), but since Nick claims the results from the necropsy weren't received until 5/10/11 how could this prove anything?

Then there's the fact that I've never received a single piece of paper from a doctor, lawyer, or vet that wasn't pasted with their name, logo (yes Raintree Animal Hospital has a logo), address, phone number, email, website, etc. I'm not saying it's definitely a fake, but just pointing out some of the things that seem strange to me.
 
Not that Nick needs another nail to seal his coffin, but his profile states that he lives in Centennial, Co., the vet report posted is for a vet in Fort Collins, Co. Based on how he has presented himself on the BOI, I find it hard to believe that he cares enough to drive 100 miles each way to take the snake to the vet, further adding to the argument that this was not his vet report... :shrug01:
 
This thread is flat out disgusting. Has a single photo been provided to even show that the original snakes died? I can't believe that child protective services allow this person to care for children. I have read nothing but poor ethics, poor business practices, lousy communication and threats. If I were being accused of something I knew was false I would be on this site 24-7 trying to clear up the misconception. The fact that the person with a horrible, I mean horrible track record isn't motivated to clear up his position makes me wonder. Nick, why are you not running on all cylinders to clear up your situation if you are the one who is correct?
 
Nick if you would kindly email a couple of photos of the snakes in question, I will be more than happy to put them up here.
Thanks.
 
Hey Nick... you're moving on up

But unlike George Jefferson... it aint to the east side in a deluxe appartment in the sky.

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You may stand by your name and your business practices.... but ya aint standing by much. :thumbsup:

It would have been so much easier to just be honest and use some sort of ethics and morals. Now your name is mud!
 
I would like to add, as a veterinary technician, that there is no way he got a necropsy with histopathology back the next day. When we send these out at my work, turn around time is at least 3 days, more often 4 or 5. Even 'simple' cytologies take longer than over night.
 
Ok...I am going to make an assumption and say that Brad and Wendy are the couple he sold the snake to.

If that is the case then I also want to point out that Nick is a bald faced liar.

Nowhere in that report does it state that the snake has or is suspected of having IBD.

Nowhere in that report does it state that the animal is 500 or 700 grams as Nick is stating. (incidentally, the pics do not support those weights either.)

Nick also stated that their animal died...the vet report says that they decided to euthanize. Not the same thing at all.

The vet report also shows a number of anomolies that would lead me to believe this was a general vet...not a reptile specialist. Most general vets couldn't diagnose death let alone IBD in a reptile.

Go to bed Nick....this one is over

That would be my guess, is that Wendy and Brad are the couple he sold the snake to, who did pay for a vet visit. They sent him a vet report of THEIR findings.

However, NOTHING in that report indicates IBD. "Skinny/wobble/disoriented" could just as easily be any number of things, including dehydration, as IBD.

Nick, where is YOUR vet report from YOUR snake at YOUR vet?
 
A) it looks like Raintree does advertise they treat exotics, although i don't know how much they specialize.

B) I have sent an email to someone I have reasonable certainty is Wendy to notify her of this thread. I hope she'll choose to come and share her side of the story.
 
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