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Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth

How old is the original complaint poster? I am so confused. I believe I read that he is a science teacher and has a fifteen year old daughter. On the other hand I feel like I am attempting to read an argument by an eight-year-old on the playground.

Based on the email exchange posted by Mr. South I can come to my own conclusion as to whom I would do business with in the future.

A simple piece of advance; the way you present your argument says everything about you. When I read 'LOL' in a formal setting all credibility goes down the drain.

The fact that you passed-off an animal that you knew was sick to another individual solely to re-coup your investment is disgusting!
 
I have some questions pertaining to this "INDUSTRY LEADER" or "TRUSTWORTHY BREEDER".

Why, Kevin, are you going to such great lengths to protect this breeder that has got you in the hot seat for possible IBD and a possible Coral that both of you are not convinced about?

I would stop shifting the blame onto this person until you reveal who they are because me, personally, I don't believe this person exists. This excuse of leaving someones name out of it is nonsense. If they are spreading illnesses, then it needs to be known. This is no worse than Nick selling a sick snake by you permitting these sale to continue.
 
I have some questions pertaining to this "INDUSTRY LEADER" or "TRUSTWORTHY BREEDER".

Why, Kevin, are you going to such great lengths to protect this breeder that has got you in the hot seat for possible IBD and a possible Coral that both of you are not convinced about?

I would stop shifting the blame onto this person until you reveal who they are because me, personally, I don't believe this person exists. This excuse of leaving someones name out of it is nonsense. If they are spreading illnesses, then it needs to be known. This is no worse than Nick selling a sick snake by you permitting these sale to continue.

Now, we are getting somewhere.
 
I have some questions pertaining to this "INDUSTRY LEADER" or "TRUSTWORTHY BREEDER".

Why, Kevin, are you going to such great lengths to protect this breeder that has got you in the hot seat for possible IBD and a possible Coral that both of you are not convinced about?

I would stop shifting the blame onto this person until you reveal who they are because me, personally, I don't believe this person exists. This excuse of leaving someones name out of it is nonsense. If they are spreading illnesses, then it needs to be known. This is no worse than Nick selling a sick snake by you permitting these sale to continue.


In regards to the above quotes:

Industry leaders are referencing other breeders who I have personally purchased multiple snakes from and had them come packaged in the same container/bag.

Trustworthy breeder is referring to the California Breeder who I acquired the original Het sharp pair from in trade. This breeder is the one who told me the Het was seen by a Vet. I trust this person with my childrens safety. They would not trade me a sick animal, or any animal with health concerns.

I STILL QUARANTINED the snake and only sold it for minimal cost with a full disclosure to the best of my knowledge. Again, that is why I FULLY refunded the money and shipped out a FREE pair of boas to Nicholas. I was CONFIDENT that I explained everything, but to be safe I offered the refund, free pair and future credit.

Finally, I will let any damage fall here. I WILL NOT pull any other peoples names into this incredible disaster to be damaged or questioned. It is bad enough that I am enduring this.

In regards to the Vet on my end. "Clean bill of health" meant that the vet had no idea why it was there but the snake appeared to be healthy. I have had a chronic cough that lasted almost a year and my personal Physician couldn't explain it.
 
The NEWEST EMAIL from Nicholas Giavasis

Nicholas claims that he is new and ignorant. This is just a hobby, but in this email he clearly explains what he wants and his history of having OVER 250 snakes come in and out of his care in the PAST YEAR ALONE.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:36 pm
To: [email protected]

Kevin, not sure Man.
Let us view, analyze for just a brief moment.
~The 3 snakes traveled together, in the same bag.
~I mentioned fairly quickly to you that the het Sharp was SO skinny, not eating, and looked ill.
~The above snake, het Sharp, died, and I wrote to offer you a body and or proof.
~You were kind enough to offer me the Pos VPI pair as compensation (appreciated)
~I expressed serious concern about the Pos Super, you in return told me he ate fine and you "kept him thin". I felt assured you were sincere.
~Vet told us that the snake was so close to death, he was surprised it lasted this long, and said he had not eaten if a very very long time. It died
~The post inspection should IBD caused death
~The Coral, weird, tongue will hang, acts so very odd.
~Since Coral traveled with the 2 that died, and is acting weird, maybe we can assume she is ill as well....??

Now, the second snake, dead, IBD, I paid a certain amount, I feel it fair that I receive that refunded so that I can make up at least part of the money spent on trying to save it, and to pay for the IBD report.
Also, the Coral, needs to go......to your place, or somewhere. We both know that if 2 are dead already, and IBD is reported, that the Coral most assuredly will also have IBD.
I am open to suggestions, but the fair thing to do is to refund the cost of the snakes, or have snakes sent to me from someone else, unassociated with your stock, as yours may also now be infected. I'm not sure Kev, I just want it all to go away Bud.......it's simply not fair to us. We paid for healthy snakes, we have 2 dead, and one retard.....if you did not know these snakes were ill, I'm not sure if you spent enough time with them, or you may have noticed they were less than half the weight as they should have been.
I have 2 dead, one which is not well. I spent x-amount, I prefer to have that amount, minus the $125 you've covered with a pair that I also need to dump because of fears they are bad too. Either way, I lost my money, I need help. I'm all ears, and I do not wish to argue....but right is right, and wrong is wrong. I am telling the truth, and I feel you are aware that I am telling the truth.
Also, again, I'd prefer to NOT say you sent out 3 snakes with IBD, but instead, allow you time to cure your stock, and move forward, untainted, good reputation, all this crap behind us. I know this could potential cost me many $1000's Bud, many $1000's!!!!! This is NOT a good day for us over here! Kev, I want to disappear into the sunset, but I will not do so with dead/sick snakes AND empty pockets.......you sent me sick snakes. Also, for thought, I have had over 250 snakes sent to me over the past year, maybe over 300, and none, none, were shipped together in the same bag or the same Tupperware container, none, never, ever, from nobody, none. You are a seasoned breeders, so it's very odd why you did this......especially when seasoned breeders are suppose to know better. I'm just confused Kev, absolutely confused.
What do I want, let's start with my money refunded....and you can pay for the Coral to be shipped back if you want her. She is sick, you can see it, you can sense it......she is not well, she doesn't move much, and if she continues to live, and since yours snakes were diagnosed with IBD, the Coral cannot stay here. Concerning her, you tell me what to do. Concerning my money, having it refunded would be a start to better relations and putting all of this behind us.
Thank you for listing Kevin, honestly, thank you for listening!
Nick
--- On Tue, 5/10/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:


From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
To: "Nicholas Giavasis" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 10:08 PM

First off please explain EXACTLY what is you want from me. Thank you.
Sincerely,

Kevin South
The Constrictors Labrynth
www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com
Phone: 209-855-1229
7 days a week, 9am to 7pm-Pacific Time
 
In regards to the Vet on my end. "Clean bill of health" meant that the vet had no idea why it was there but the snake appeared to be healthy. I have had a chronic cough that lasted almost a year and my personal Physician couldn't explain it.

the Het did have a "WHEEZE" but was examined by a Vet and cleared with a clean bill of health aside from an unexplainable "wheeze".

"Clean bill of health", and "I don't know why it's doing that", are NOT the same thing!
 
Wow... there is a lot going on both sides, but let's just look at Nick's last email.

Has he provided ANY vet reports?

I could "claim" IBD all day long, but unless there is hard evidence I would not give the time of day.

It sounds like he wants you replace his whole collection. No way man. You don't need to pay the price for his lack of quarantine understanding.

Refund the money for snakes (unless you already have) and walk away from this. It sounds like he's trying to take you for a ride.
 
Nicholas Giavasis said:
I prefer to have that amount, minus the $125 you've covered with a pair that I also need to dump because of fears they are bad too.
Do I sense another "unsuspecting customer" in the future, Nick?
Waiting for that vet report....and pics of the dead snakes. Might as well throw in a pic of the so-called coral that shows her problem(s).
 
I believe i have read everything, but i'll still ask. Has the OP provided any pictures of the dead snakes to anyone? Has the OP provided actual vet reports or necropsy results to anyone?

Nicholas could you please provide the documentation of the vet results and pictures of the dead snakes that you received from Kevin?

I know you think it's nice of you to try and keep the IBD thing of Kevins quiet so that he has time to "cure" his collection, but i don't believe it works that way.
 
Do I sense another "unsuspecting customer" in the future, Nick?
Waiting for that vet report....and pics of the dead snakes. Might as well throw in a pic of the so-called coral that shows her problem(s).


Photos of long term captives and quarantine area would also be helpful. Can we see pictures of your reptile area?

What is the vet's name/address/number?
 
Nick can come in here with Jesus Christ himself as a witness and I wouldn't believe a word he said. His actions are far beyond barbaric.
 
Personally, I'm glad this thread is here. I'll be avoiding both parties like the plague!!
 
Well according to Kevins emails that he provided, Nicholas said it was time for a necropsy on the May 9th email at 8:30 PM, then on the May 10th email at 3:09 PM he had the necropsy results. Has anyone ever gotten a necropsy report back that fast?
 
Very good example on both parties of why dealing with flippers can be very dangerous. Kevin did you breed the "thin" male this year?
 
Personally, I'm glad this thread is here. I'll be avoiding both parties like the plague!!

I'm prrrrrrretty sure you are gonna wanna jump out at the next pullout and check your brakes Big Nick!! You are on a runaway path right now Chief on about an 8-9% downgrade!!! But; I knew this two years ago, I think?
 
Nick can come in here with Jesus Christ himself as a witness and I wouldn't believe a word he said. His actions are far beyond barbaric.

You know that's the name of the vet he took them to right? :rofl:

Unless Nick provide photo proof, copies of vet reports, and another relevant health information he would not see a dime of a refund from me.
 
Well according to Kevins emails that he provided, Nicholas said it was time for a necropsy on the May 9th email at 8:30 PM, then on the May 10th email at 3:09 PM he had the necropsy results. Has anyone ever gotten a necropsy report back that fast?

One day? No.
I just went through an IBD scare, had one of my boas euthanized, necropsy and then sent 6 tissues samples (brain, liver, etc) out for pathology testing. The entire process took 2 weeks, I was told it typically takes 2-3 weeks to get the results from the lab (tests came back negative thank goodness!). It cost about $600.

-April
 
let me clarify: I did get the necropsy results back the next day (nothing amiss found) - the pathology reports that actually test for IBD took 2 weeks; you cannot determine IBD simply from the necropsy.
 
A TRUSTWORTHY BREEDER

Does not exist since no proof was given


The Constrictors Labrynth said:
I HONESTLY DONT HAVE A VET REPORT .

Didn't take it to the vet


And I do not think there is an IBD report, and I'm beginning to doubt there were any dead snakes. This might be one of those deals where a customer feigns deaths in order to get a refund.



At this point, I'm thinking both parties are
1) spinning fairy tales and
2) on my 'do not do business with' list
 
One day? No.
I just went through an IBD scare, had one of my boas euthanized, necropsy and then sent 6 tissues samples (brain, liver, etc) out for pathology testing. The entire process took 2 weeks, I was told it typically takes 2-3 weeks to get the results from the lab (tests came back negative thank goodness!). It cost about $600.

-April

:iagree:That's for sure. Pathology cultures take more than 24 hours to turn around. There is no possible way it took one day for a vet to say beyond the shadow of a doubt that is was IBD.

Nick is blowing smoke. :icon_bs:

There are issues on both sides of this problem, but I hate to see anyone get blackmailed with IBD.
 
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