Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

[Lucille]

Also, if what Reagan said is true, he wasn't anticipating being in his current position...I suspect that if Dean was giving his all to this venture, he was relying heavily on her income; not just for household bills, but probably to keep things going from a business perspective, as well.

I am not unsympathetic to the trials and tribulations of divorce, I've been there, more than once. But Dean has been on notice for some time that divorce plans were in the air.
I really REALLY do not want details of the divorce here, I'm just saying that from what Dean has said prior, it was not a total surprise.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164642&highlight=divorce

 

[cahrens]

Similar comments have been made, but the premise isn't the same. I don't know if Dean had an actual storefront, but I believe he said he was working toward that...this wasn't a case of somebody wanting purchasing snakes for himself, he was purchasing snakes for resale. To that end, one has to spend money to make money - if you don't buy snakes, you have none to sell.
Also, if what Reagan said is true, he wasn't anticipating being in his current position...I suspect that if Dean was giving his all to this venture, he was relying heavily on her income; not just for household bills, but probably to keep things going from a business perspective, as well.

That part aside, Dean did state several times that he didn't have the money. He didn't do it in a way that firmly shut down the talks, but he did say it. The sale was convenient for Chris - the fact that he was moving, combined with his previous transactions with Dean, probably made him a little too eager to make it happen. I'm not trying to lay anything on Chris' shoulders, but I've been there...and the situation scarily similar. As an outsider, it is easy to point out that sometimes we make bad choices; and I think Chris made one here. If someone doesn't have the money, sometimes it's best to accept that and go for Plan B. Making it work looked like a win/win for Chris, right up until it looked like he was losing. Again - I've been there. Made it work because it was easy for me...I knew the guy, we'd done plenty of deals in both directions...and I never saw a penny of the money from that last deal.

I'd like to think that Dean isn't going to leave this like that; but time will tell.

Actually, Dean told me in an e-mail on 10-31 that he just opened a storefront so it was already open at this time.

If Dean had ever said "I just don't have the money" that would have been the end of it. The things Dean did say made me believe that money wasn't the problem. Dean said...
"The problem for me is the weather has already turned"
Then there was a warm pocket of weather.

"it would be impossible to come up with 4000.00 in time for the
Christmas"
Then I started trying to work out a payplan for him stating "Just let me know
what size payment you can swing and we'll figure out the timeframe"

"I will see what
sort of cash I come up with this weekend and email you first thing Monday
morning and let you know how much I came up with. I think I can get close to
2000.00 but its going to be tight."

"I totally understand. Been trying to figure out how to work this for both of us
as well since this is so new for the both of us. Heres the thing, I will have
about 1000.00 tied up in PayPal tonight after my Super Pastel goes. I know I
can send you a 1000.00 for sure via PayPal"

"What I was thinking is if I do that for the first payment, I can send money
orders every two weeks, say from this past Friday for 500.00"


I tend to take people at their word. If you tell me weather is the problem, I try to find a day that will work. If you tell me you can't get the money by a certain date but you still want it, I'll try to make a way for it to work. If you tell me you're comfortable making payments on something and you really want it, I'll try to find a way to make it work. Was this convenient for me? Yeah, big time. That doesn't make it my fault though. This had to happen quickly if we were going to take advantage of the week of warm weather he had up there. The weather was the biggest factor in my trying to make this work so fast. I had room for them at the new house and I still have the old house so worst case scenario, I could have kept them there. The point is, I wasn't desperate to move them out. His weather just didn't give us much time to make it work.

The bad choice that I made was believing what someone was telling me. I've sent a lot of snakes out without payment and other than 1 person stiffing me on $125 out of the $500 he spent, I've had no problems. I realize that's not the standard in this industry but I have the luxury of approaching this as a hobbiest and not from a business standpoint. If I were running this as a business, things would be different. As a hobbiest, I can take this loss and keep on smiling.

 

[brd7666]

I am not unsympathetic to the trials and tribulations of divorce, I've been there, more than once. But Dean has been on notice for some time that divorce plans were in the air.
I really REALLY do not want details of the divorce here, I'm just saying that from what Dean has said prior, it was not a total surprise.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164642&highlight=divorce

Thanks for posting that link Lucille. I didn't see that thread before. I heard about it, and I asked another member about it, and that member forgot where the thread was located.

I think it's as clear as it gets about him knowing. Dean and Reagan both talked in that thread openly about getting a divorce. I think Dean was lying to Chris the whole time, just to get the animals. Chris even sold them to Dean for half of the market value. So even though Dean owes Chris $4000.00, the market value on all of those animals is really $8000.00.

After seeing all of the emails, text messages, links to other things Dean has done, Reagen's comments here, and links to threads here. I would not believe a word that Dean or Reagan said. I think they are both lying, and playing the game of pointing the finger at each other, rather than stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

Actions speak louder than words. So far the only thing Chris has gotten, is words, that only amount to lies.

 

[hhmoore]

Just a reminder that my statement began like this:
Also, if what Reagan said is true, he wasn't anticipating being in his current position This was the part I was referring to:

However I did lie to Dean about attempting to work things out with him over the past six months so I can figure out a way I can make it on my own and get back to Kansas City. When he made the deal with Chris, he thought we would be paying the bills together. I never gave him a reason to think otherwise. Life is more peaceful and less fights if I just made it seem like everything is ok.

Their relationship is none of my business - I didn't know Dean or Reagan, other than talking to them in chat - but I don't think any of us would be surprised to hear that if a person wants a relationship to work, he can throw on a set of blinders and let himself believe it is working. I don't know how much Dean wanted things to work, but Reagan clearly stated in this thread that she had been lying to him...letting him think that they were working on things, and giving the impression that things were at least somewhat better.

Chris even sold them to Dean for half of the market value. So even though Dean owes Chris $4000.00, the market value on all of those animals is really $8000.00.

Ummmmmmm, yeah....that's called wholesale. Not a big surprise since a) Dean was purchasing for his store, and b) it was a fair quantity of animals. That was Chris' choice.

My statements aren't a defense of Dean's failure to pay Chris. I might hope that Dean will make this right; but I haven't lost my cynicism. Not even close.

 

[brd7666]

Just a reminder that my statement began like this:
Also, if what Reagan said is true, he wasn't anticipating being in his current position This was the part I was referring to:

Their relationship is none of my business - I didn't know Dean or Reagan, other than talking to them in chat - but I don't think any of us would be surprised to hear that if a person wants a relationship to work, he can throw on a set of blinders and let himself believe it is working. I don't know how much Dean wanted things to work, but Reagan clearly stated in this thread that she had been lying to him...letting him think that they were working on things, and giving the impression that things were at least somewhat better.



Ummmmmmm, yeah....that's called wholesale. Not a big surprise since a) Dean was purchasing for his store, and b) it was a fair quantity of animals. That was Chris' choice.

My statements aren't a defense of Dean's failure to pay Chris. I might hope that Dean will make this right; but I haven't lost my cynicism. Not even close.

I understand wholesale. My point was, that he got a collection of animals that were worth double of what he actually got them for. I was letting people know the actual value of the animals.

And as for Reagan's comment, I don't believe anything she says. I think it's all part of the sympathy game. People start to feel sorry for them, and it pulls their attention away from the real issue here. This thread isn't about a divorce, or the circumstances surrounding a divorce. It's about someone receiving animals that has done nothing but lie about everything. Everything from the very beginning, all the way up to now, has been one lie after the next.

 

[Paige n' James]

Just wondering why Dean doesn't try to sell them on this site to make some of Chris's money back? He should be able to EASILY make the cash back!! He could sell them to people with good trader ratings and ship first in case some people don't trust him.

Please consider it Dean!! It would greatly Improve members opinions of you!!! Just my .2 cents. V/R, Paige

 

[hhmoore]

Just wondering why Dean doesn't try to sell them on this site to make some of Chris's money back? He should be able to EASILY make the cash back!!

If the basic premise that has been put forth here is to be believed, it sounds like they are being considered assetts (in the divorce), even though the terms of the purchase haven't been completed (meaning Chris hasn't been paid).
The easiest resolution would be to return them...but Chris doesn't want them back. If they can't be returned, can't be sold, and can't be paid for, it's got the makings of a cluster stalemate - assuming that everything is to believed, that is.

He could sell them to people with good trader ratings and ship first in case some people don't trust him

Ummmm.....<trying not to lol>....shipping before receiving payment is how this whole situation started. Assuming (again) that the animals are a) still in Dean's possession, b) fit for sale c) there is interest in acquiring those animals, how would Dean's (or Chris') situation improve if Dean shipped some of the animals and didn't get paid?

 

[Paige n' James]

Yeah thinking about what I put and kind of back-pedaling on it because he obviously doesn't have the money to ship either first. But, I totally believe 95% of the people on this site are honest, hardworking people and wouldn't cheat anyone and go back on their word!! Yes, there are total flipping losers (Wysocki (sp) and the Wises)but by far there are more good guy posts!! Wondering what the average would be? And most people put the negative situations on the boi but there are hundreds of good transactions monthly I am sure!

 

[hhmoore]

Sure there are....and, I'd be willing to bet that if they were put up, with the animal payments to be sent to Chris & the shipping money sent to Dean, a lot of people would make purchases just to help Chris get his money. But, with the divorce flag being waved in the manner it is, I just don't see that happening.

I saw Sierra reading this thread when I posted my previous comment, so she is checking in - so this message is to her. These animals haven't been paid for, so you don't have a claim to them. I don't know or care what has been going on between you and Dean - but together you are effectively screwing over Chris...and (now) in full view of this site. I doubt the latter has any meaning to you, and I'm not convinced that the former does either; but if YOU are part of the reason that Chris can't get paid (the animals can't be sold), then do the right thing and release them. You may have been financing the venture, and I don't doubt that you feel Dean owes you money, but these are not legitimate assetts for the two of you to hold. They are, at this point, stolen property...I don't know if law would consider them as such, but I suspect that most of the people reading this do.

 

[chongorojo]

I'm guessing Sierra is the new girlfriend??

 

[Miss Tuniwha]

I'm guessing Sierra is the new girlfriend??

no, it's Dean's Wife's s/n

 

[DAND]

I'm guessing Sierra is the new girlfriend??

No, that is Dean's wife's (Reagan's) screen name here on Fauna Sierra Marie I believe is the whole name.

 

[chongorojo]

D'oh... I knew that. Guess my mind took it where it wanted to go lol...

Thanks guys!

 

[LauraB]

she is checking in - so this message is to her. These animals haven't been paid for, so you don't have a claim to them. I don't know or care what has been going on between you and Dean - but together you are effectively screwing over Chris...and (now) in full view of this site. I doubt the latter has any meaning to you, and I'm not convinced that the former does either; but if YOU are part of the reason that Chris can't get paid (the animals can't be sold), then do the right thing and release them. You may have been financing the venture, and I don't doubt that you feel Dean owes you money, but these are not legitimate assetts for the two of you to hold. They are, at this point, stolen property...I don't know if law would consider them as such, but I suspect that most of the people reading this do.

Well put. And agreed ... stolen property.

 

[JordanAng420]

I just think it's wierd that his User Name says Oklahoma, and when someone here did a search for his business information, it came up as Las Vegas, Nevada. Maybe I missed something here? (which is very possible, as this thread is incredibly difficult to follow)

 

[David Scarboro]

I saw Sierra reading this thread when I posted my previous comment, so she is checking in - so this message is to her. These animals haven't been paid for, so you don't have a claim to them. I don't know or care what has been going on between you and Dean - but together you are effectively screwing over Chris...and (now) in full view of this site. I doubt the latter has any meaning to you, and I'm not convinced that the former does either; but if YOU are part of the reason that Chris can't get paid (the animals can't be sold), then do the right thing and release them. You may have been financing the venture, and I don't doubt that you feel Dean owes you money, but these are not legitimate assetts for the two of you to hold. They are, at this point, stolen property...I don't know if law would consider them as such, but I suspect that most of the people reading this do.

That is a good warning, but it isn't going to help. Both of these people are scum, and as such they can be counted on to take the low road.

 

[Matt2979]

I just think it's wierd that his User Name says Oklahoma, and when someone here did a search for his business information, it came up as Las Vegas, Nevada. Maybe I missed something here? (which is very possible, as this thread is incredibly difficult to follow)

I have no idea about his business address, but I have sold to and bought from Dean and his shipping info (including his return address) was in Norman, OK.

 

[JordanAng420]

I just did a who is search on Dean's web site. He still owns the domane name until November of 2011. So if is web site is down, it's because he has pulled it from public view. If he pulls it from public view, his email is still active. My web site has been pulled from public view. by me, and my email still works fine.

Domain Name.......... strictlyexotics.net
Creation Date........ 2008-11-04
Registration Date.... 2008-11-04
Expiry Date.......... 2011-11-04
Organisation Name.... Dean Stemple
Organisation Address. 2501 Vegas Valley Dr
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Las VegasOrganisation Address. 89121
Organisation Address. NVOrganisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... Dean Stemple
Admin Address........ 2501 Vegas Valley Dr
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Las VegasAdmin Address........ 89121
Admin Address........ NVAdmin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... [email protected]
Admin Phone.......... +1.7025389676
Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ YahooDomains TechContact
Tech Address......... 701 First Ave.
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Sunnyvale
Tech Address......... 94089
Tech Address......... CA
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... [email protected]
Tech Phone........... +1.4089162124
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... yns1.yahoo.com
Name Server.......... yns2.yahoo.com

Registry Status: ok


How many more lies are we going to see here.

Here's where the search says he's located in Las Vegas.

 

[JordanAng420]

I have no idea about his business address, but I have sold to and bought from Dean and his shipping info (including his return address) was in Norman, OK.

I wonder if the search info is accurate then. I dunno, just something that stuck in my mind the whole time I read this thread.

 

[Utta]

I wonder if the search info is accurate then. I dunno, just something that stuck in my mind the whole time I read this thread.

on his website it stated that he lived in Las Vegas as well, and i recall him stating that he used to live there before he moved out to live closer with his parents.