Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

[DAND]

Back when the whole wise scam went down I was contacted by a few members here who took some of the things that were posted by Dean as red flags which caused suspicion of his involvement in the scam too. As far as I can tell he was not involved. I witnessed and copied every pay-pal transaction prior to and after the scam when christina gave me their pay-pal password and I saw the monies Dean paid out for the auctions he won were in fact paid to the wise's and not returned via their pay-pal account. Unless the wise's sent Dean money back in some other form I do not think Dean was involved.

 

[Killer Chams]

I dont have any ties to either party in this thread. But this thread is about Dean not paying Chris. What do the Wises' have to do with this? Lets let the law deal with the Wises'. And lets try and stay on topic....

 

[Focal]

I dont have any ties to either party in this thread. But this thread is about Dean not paying Chris. What do the Wises' have to do with this? Lets let the law deal with the Wises'. And lets try and stay on topic....

It has nothing to do with the Wises.

It's a personal beef that continues in the others absense.

This thread has proved Dean owes the money. No doubt, no opposition. But, if we keep trashing his name, and make this 1000 pages of accusations, even if he makes right on this deal, he won't be able to make a come back again.

I've learned how the BOI can become both a useful tool and a malicious weapon.

 

[Southern Wolf]

With all respect, Christina named several people then and later. The range of people that she suggested to be involved was complete absurdity.

Nobody should give any credence to what that subhuman pair (the wises) has ever stated.

It wouldn't surprise me if she even tried to tarnish my name since I was going after them hot and heavy. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of the Wise's mouth... or from their keyboards.

 

[Southern Wolf]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=977078&postcount=2103

Two very nice ways of saying he didn't benefit from the scam. Neither says he didn't try.

Dave... you're really reaching here.

 

[Lucille]

even if he makes right on this deal, he won't be able to make a come back again.

Nick,

Let us come together, and reason. I hear what you are saying.

But all it would take is a token payment by Dean, or for him to call Chris and just keep him posted on what is going on.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for what they have done. A phone call to Chris would help save Dean's rep, but he has not called. Conclusions as to what kind of buyer he is are inevitable, if he will not make even the smallest effort to make this right.

 

[Focal]

Nick,

Let us come together, and reason. I hear what you are saying.

But all it would take is a token payment by Dean, or for him to call Chris and just keep him posted on what is going on.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for what they have done. A phone call to Chris would help save Dean's rep, but he has not called. Conclusions as to what kind of buyer he is are inevitable, if he will not make even the smallest effort to make this right.

Oh don't get me wrong, Dean seems to be fing this one up at this point. I feel very silly going out on a limb to give this guy a chance to respond before being labeled as a scammer.

 

[David Scarboro]

Oh don't get me wrong, Dean seems to be fing this one up at this point. I feel very silly going out on a limb to give this guy a chance to respond before being labeled as a scammer.

Don't, it's an admirable trait.

 

[Mackgc]

There's a couple things I don't get here,

If Dean sent the money orders or atleast the first one ($900) and if by chance it was returned, then how did he cash it when it should of been made out to Chris?

Does anyone know if he's posting on here under the wifes name?
I got divorced along time ago, and it does suck, but I can't figure out why Dean can't respond to this at all? A divorce does not stop you from paying bills or atleast for him fixing this issue! So did he tell the Electric Company that he can't pay or talk to them until the divorce is finalized?!

If his only income is his business, then I think he needs to find a new venture, since he's destroying it.

This divorce thing seems to be a smoke screen....

 

[hhmoore]

Christina Wise did say that the Stemples were in on the scam. It was hard to believe anything that Christina was saying, because there were so many lies that came from her, so what do you believe? There were members here who were concerned about Dean bidding on so many auctions, and Christina said that Dean was doing it so they would get more money (they being the Wise's), and it was all part of the scam. She said Dean was going to get some animals the Wise's had in exchange for his participation of raising the bids. If Dean had so much money to pay for all of these auctions, why is it now, that he can't come up with $4000.00? It is possible that Dean was involved with the Wise's scam, and his history even gives a resonable doubt. He was even a Mod on their web site, and was friends with them.

What I found odd also, was that Dean was getting Emails from the Wise clan (Wise family and non family members even) to stop with everything. They had other members email addresses, but Dean was getting all the emails. I really don't think the Wise's expected to see what happened once the scam was revealed. When things go wrong for scammers, they have been known to turn on one another.



I have seen a lot of scams over the years. Often times, the scammers will post about some kind of problems in their life to distract from the real issue, or to gain sympathy. Could you be getting a divorce, I guess it's possible. Maybe they don't post that on their web site in the public records, but I don't see where you have filed for a divorce. ALL of what Chris has gotten from Dean is one lie after the other from the very beginning of this whole transaction. So Dean has been dishonest from the beginning, how do we really know you are being honest? We don't, so if people express their concern, then you should see why, especially if you are being honest, and after reading your first or second post in this thread, you have to wonder how honest you really are.




There might be something in the Wise thread. Christina spoke about this in chat, and there were several members present when she was accusing Dean. I was in that chat as well.

Dean was pretty open about driving the bids up - heck, I did it on a number of auctions, myself....are you going to accuse me of being involved next? While a part of that was to compensate for the some of the cheap trying for a huge score on an auction that was (as far as we knew at the time) held to benefit people we cared about. Driving the bids up served a couple of purposes: a) it brought the bids to a more realistic level - ie, closer to the value of the animal. If it needs to be explained, how many people do you think would have contributed if it was obvious that everything was going for 10-20% of its worth? That brings us to b) it actually helped encourage donations. c) Dean paid for every auction he won.

He could do it then, why can't he pay now? You really went there? Let's spin the table for just a moment....when you found yourself without your previous income, were you as able to come up the same kind of cash for things? (spin again) When my wife left, I shut down all my spending in a panic...and I was working two jobs. When I ended up out of work for a period of months, I juggled finances to cover things as well as I could, for as long as I could. I know that brings us back to the subject of Dean buying snakes when he didn't have money...but I've already said all I can on that matter, as it depends too much on the things Reagan has said. The simple fact is that being able to spend a good chunk of money in March doesn't mean you will be in a position to spend that same amount or more in November (especially if you spent it in March, lol).

As far as him being a mod on their site - when I mentioned that to him, his response was that Christina had done that without his approval, and that he had never made a single post on that site. I had already looked at the site, and didn't remember seeing anything by him...when I checked again, I confirmed that he had no posts. His statement at the time was that he'd been distancing himself from the Wise's, and did not want to be associated with them or their site.
Hell, Nick built their site....he was the admin and a mod. Does that implicate him in the scam, as well? (I believe Christina has actually tossed that into the ring, along with another name or two).

Nothing I've said in this post is in defense of Dean...I'm simply disputing your logic. Dean owes Chris the money...you'll get no argument from me, or anybody else, on that count. There might be some grains of truth in some of the other things you've said....heck, there could be a lot of it. But when the same things that you use to support your theories can be used against multiple others to show the same things, it raises some serious doubts in my mind.
Again, Dean owes Chris...and there are aspects of the story that has been presented that do not have the ring of truth, and some that are downright suspicious (or at least not understood by me).

 

[brd7666]

Dean was pretty open about driving the bids up - heck, I did it on a number of auctions, myself....are you going to accuse me of being involved next?

First of all, I'm not the one who said that Dean was involved in the scam. Christina was the one saying Dean was in on the scam. I'm only passing on what she said. I'm not saying what she said is true, I'm only saying that she said it. I may have said that it's possible, because it is possible. Not you, or anyone else can say in certainty that he was not involved. And from what is plastered all over the internet about Dean ripping people off on Ebay, I think it was worth bringing up. People don't have to agree with it, they don't have to like it, and they don't even have to read it, but the fact is, it was all said, and I'm passing it on, because it shows Dean's history, and to be honest, his history does not look to good.


Also, this thread isn't about you, so even if she or anyone else said you were part of the scam, I would not bring it up. If you would like to start a thread about you, I will be more then happy to discuss you there. Christina never accused you of any wrong doing to my knowledge. She did accuse others, and there is absolutely no reason to drag their names into this thread. When I see a bad guy thread on one of them, I will likely mention it then, until then, it has no use.

He could do it then, why can't he pay now? You really went there? Let's spin the table for just a moment....when you found yourself without your previous income, were you as able to come up the same kind of cash for things?

Sure I went there. You and others spin things to your light, I'm going to spin things to my light. And I don't care what people say about me here. I did not start this thread, Dean did. So let's just follow your spin for a minute. Let's say he has no money. Why did he lie about sending payment? Not once, but twice. And not just lie about sending payment, but lie about everything from the beginning until now? Why did he make excuse after excuse to Chris? How come, after all the lies, and excuses, he totally stopped communicating to Chris?

I find it amusing that you and others continue to bring your scenario here like it's relavent. It's not relavent, you are you, and Dean is his own individual. Everyting I have brought here is somehow directly associated with Dean in some way or another. This wouldn't be here if Dean would have communicated. So Harold, (I will discuss you here) when you had debt, and you had some difficult times, did you just blow off the people, or companies you owed money to? Did you tell them on more then one occasion that you were sending money, but it never arrived? Did you just turn your back on your creditors, and leave them to wonder? Nothing Dean is going through, can justify his actions.

(spin again) When my wife left, I shut down all my spending in a panic...and I was working two jobs.

Maybe you can talk some sence into Dean, and tell him to go out and get a job.

The simple fact is that being able to spend a good chunk of money in March doesn't mean you will be in a position to spend that same amount or more in November (especially if you spent it in March, lol).

Maybe so, but it does not give Dean a free pass to lie continously, make excuse after excuse, stop all communication, and blow off the people he owes money to.

As far as him being a mod on their site - when I mentioned that to him, his response was that Christina had done that without his approval, and that he had never made a single post on that site. I had already looked at the site, and didn't remember seeing anything by him...when I checked again, I confirmed that he had no posts. His statement at the time was that he'd been distancing himself from the Wise's, and did not want to be associated with them or their site.

I can't remember if I ever went on their site or not. Christina said Dean asked to be a Mod. So, who are you going to believe, a proven scammer, or a proven scammer. Either way, it doesn't matter, the fact is Dean was a Mod over their. If he didn't want it, then why didn't they remove him from it? I think there is more to the story then meets the eye (my opinion). Why would their site even need a Mod, I can't believe they had much traffic to begin with. Also, Dean's name was in the list of nominees for Mod here, he may have said that, because he might not of wanted Rich to think he had some kind of a conflict of interest. Where would you or anyone else want to be a Mod, on this site, that is well established, or a site that has no members?

Hell, Nick built their site....he was the admin and a mod. Does that implicate him in the scam, as well? (I believe Christina has actually tossed that into the ring, along with another name or two).

Again, you are dragging someone else into this who doesn't matter. I don't recall her bringing Nick's name into the mess, but even if she did, this thread isn't about him. If she accused him of wrong doing, then when the time comes, or if it ever comes, and we see a bad guy thread on Nick, then we can throw that into the mix. Until then it's irrelavent.

Nothing I've said in this post is in defense of Dean...I'm simply disputing your logic. Dean owes Chris the money...you'll get no argument from me, or anybody else, on that count. There might be some grains of truth in some of the other things you've said....heck, there could be a lot of it. But when the same things that you use to support your theories can be used against multiple others to show the same things, it raises some serious doubts in my mind.
Again, Dean owes Chris...and there are aspects of the story that has been presented that do not have the ring of truth, and some that are downright suspicious (or at least not understood by me).

You, and others can dispute my logic all you want, I really don't care. The fact is, it is logic, whether someone agrees or not. Me supporting my theories on Dean, have nothing to do with anyone else Christina may have accused. Those people were not involved with this transaction. This transaction revolves around Dean, and what Dean has or hasn't done. I have brought things to light in this thread to show resonable doubt. This might not be a court of law, but it is along the same lines as a lawyer would be doing. At this point in time, I don't care who was accuse by Christina other than Dean, or, what anyone who is not one of the two parties involved with this transaction have done, unless they can be linked to something that is considered questionable, where Dean or Chris was involved.

So, if anyone else wants to question my logic, please feel free to do so. But don't be surprised if I question yours right back. The way things stand at this point in time, Dean is not a good guy. Only time will tell if he makes good, and I hope he does.

Someone else even made a post in this thread about buying meal worms from Dean, and they never got what they paid for. Why is that?

 

[Southern Wolf]

Also, this thread isn't about you, so even if she or anyone else said you were part of the scam, I would not bring it up. If you would like to start a thread about you, I will be more then happy to discuss you there. Christina never accused you of any wrong doing to my knowledge. She did accuse others, and there is absolutely no reason to drag their names into this thread. When I see a bad guy thread on one of them, I will likely mention it then, until then, it has no use.

Everytime someone refutes what you have to say and uses part of their life as an example you come back with the same ol thing. Guess what... this thread aint about you either... but you're sure putting in enough posts

Newsflash... if you can do it... so can we. Just a thought.... stop and think about this for just a couple of seconds. You keep bringing up things that Christina said as though they were truth. Eventually someone will destroy that theory and you'll feel like a fool. Just like those folks that thought the world was flat. Enough folks said it... so it must be true. When in actuality it was far from the truth.... folks just didn't want to see the bigger picture.

Sure I went there. You and others spin things to your light, I'm going to spin things to my light. And I don't care what people say about me here. I did not start this thread, Dean did. So let's just follow your spin for a minute. Let's say he has no money. Why did he lie about sending payment? Not once, but twice. And not just lie about sending payment, but lie about everything from the beginning until now? Why did he make excuse after excuse to Chris? How come, after all the lies, and excuses, he totally stopped communicating to Chris?

Actually Chris started this thread... not Dean. When this order was placed... how do you know he DIDN'T have the money or expected the money. At that time... he had two incomes to count on. Since Reagan left he is down to one income and THAT will dry up your money PDQ! Just an example.... When I work nights I get extra pay for working night. However if I am not able to get a night shift and have to work days then I loose $300 a month. This month I have plenty of money.... who know's what next month will bring... or the one after that. Just because I have it now doesn't mean I will have it in 3 months.

I find it amusing that you and others continue to bring your scenario here like it's relavent. It's not relavent, you are you, and Dean is his own individual.

Actually... It's experience that we bring here. What is amusing is you decline to listen because you think you have all the answers.

Maybe so, but it does not give Dean a free pass to lie continously, make excuse after excuse, stop all communication, and blow off the people he owes money to.

I agree with ya 100%

I can't remember if I ever went on their site or not. Christina said Dean asked to be a Mod. So, who are you going to believe, a proven scammer, or a proven scammer. Either way, it doesn't matter, the fact is Dean was a Mod over their. If he didn't want it, then why didn't they remove him from it? I think there is more to the story then meets the eye (my opinion). Why would their site even need a Mod, I can't believe they had much traffic to begin with. Also, Dean's name was in the list of nominees for Mod here, he may have said that, because he might not of wanted Rich to think he had some kind of a conflict of interest. Where would you or anyone else want to be a Mod, on this site, that is well established, or a site that has no members?

I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Christina's mouth, you however seem to put a lot of stock in it. Why is that?

As for needing a mod... I can answer that since I am an admin on another site. We have mods to take care of problems when we (admins) are not there. The mods on our site get on at different times of the day so normally we can catch problems before they get out of hand.

I was listed as a nominee as well.... and I have power on another site... does that make me a bad guy? I was also on another site at the time that Rich doesn't like. I didn't hide that either. As to "Where would you or anyone else want to be a Mod, on this site, that is well established, or a site that has no members" ..... I am rather happy that I started out as a mod on a site that had just a few members.

This is nothing against Rich.... but you cant compete with a small site when it comes to a more family type atomospher. Every year several members get together to hang out and find herps...We have had members travel from Washington State and Vermont down to IL for the gathering. I am happy that I started off on a small site and if Rich told me that he would make me a mod or even co-admin of this site if I resigned from the other site... I'd tell him to get bent. So to answer your question... I'll choose the small site of this big site anyday. (sorry Rich )

Again, you are dragging someone else into this who doesn't matter. I don't recall her bringing Nick's name into the mess, but even if she did, this thread isn't about him. If she accused him of wrong doing, then when the time comes, or if it ever comes, and we see a bad guy thread on Nick, then we can throw that into the mix. Until then it's irrelavent.

Pot.... Kettle.... Black.

You're doing the exact same thing. You brought Christina into this... and it's not about her. But you seem to put alot of stock into what the lowest of the low has said. Ever think that maybe... just maybe she was trying to get some of the heat off of her?

You, and others can dispute my logic all you want, I really don't care. The fact is, it is logic, whether someone agrees or not. Me supporting my theories on Dean, have nothing to do with anyone else Christina may have accused. Those people were not involved with this transaction. This transaction revolves around Dean, and what Dean has or hasn't done. I have brought things to light in this thread to show resonable doubt. This might not be a court of law, but it is along the same lines as a lawyer would be doing. At this point in time, I don't care who was accuse by Christina other than Dean, or, what anyone who is not one of the two parties involved with this transaction have done, unless they can be linked to something that is considered questionable, where Dean or Chris was involved.

And we have given reasonable doubt to your accusations. The key is... your accusations are not a slam dunk. You can squabble over what we bring to the table... but the fact is we are bringing experience and offering input from a different perspective.

 

[brd7666]

Everytime someone refutes what you have to say and uses part of their life as an example you come back with the same ol thing. Guess what... this thread aint about you either... but you're sure putting in enough posts

Funny, every time I refute something someone says, someone comes on here and rufutes what I say. So where does it go? I never said this thread was about me, and I bet you have just as many post's in this thread as I do, and to be honest, I could care less how many post's you make, or what your post's are about. Other people's lives are just that, other people's. Dean's life is Dean life. What happens in someone else's life, and what happens in Dean's life, are not the same. They are both unique, and in no way, shape, or form, are they associated with each other, unles you are Dean or Chris. So just because something tragic happened in your life, does not give Dean a rhyme or reason for his behavior.

Newsflash... if you can do it... so can we. Just a thought.... stop and think about this for just a couple of seconds. You keep bringing up things that Christina said as though they were truth. Eventually someone will destroy that theory and you'll feel like a fool. Just like those folks that thought the world was flat. Enough folks said it... so it must be true. When in actuality it was far from the truth.... folks just didn't want to see the bigger picture.

People can try to destroy that theory, but the fact is, the theory is out there, and has been out there for quite some time. So it will never be destroyed. It's possible that it can lose credibility, but it will never be destroyed. It's not possible for it to be completely destroyed, because there will never be proven facts that are capible of destroying it. If Christina herself, were to post on here publically, that she lied about Dean's involvement, then that could possibly lay it to rest. The chances of that happening aren't very good.

I have never said that Dean was involved in the Wise scam. I have said that it's possible, because that is a true statement, nothing more, nothing less. I brought up the Christina topic because it showed an accusation made by another member here towards Dean, just like Chris has now made an accusation. I never brought up any other members name that Christina threw out there, because they are not the topic of this thread. So to bring anyone else in this thread that Christina pointed a finger at, is really worthless. Those people are not the subject here.

And as for me feeling like a fool. That will never happen. I don't care what others think of my opinions, thoughts, or ideas. I will sleep fine regardless of anyone's opinion of me resulting from this thread. I have done nothing wrong, and I have nothing to hide.

Actually Chris started this thread... not Dean.

Chris was the tool that Dean used to start this thread. This thread isn't here because of Chris's actions. It's here because Dean has lied about everything from the very beginning up until now. So, Chris might of been the one who sat down, and typed it all out, he was only doing so, as a result of Dean's actions. If Chris had his way, he would have his money, and this thread would not be here.

When this order was placed... how do you know he DIDN'T have the money or expected the money. At that time... he had two incomes to count on.

I don't know that he had the money, and on the other hand, how do you know he did have the money? Regardless of whether he did or didn't have the money, he gave Chris lie after lie, followed by excuse after excuse, and then he stopped all communication. The proof here is what he's done since he received the animals. And that proof says a lot, none of which is good.

Since Reagan left he is down to one income and THAT will dry up your money PDQ!

Alright, he's down to one income, fine. Explain this, why is it that Dean is not running ads anywhere on the internet, at least from what I've seen, to try and sell these animals? Here on Fauna, you can run ads for free. I can see if you don't have any money, how you might not be able to afford an account on a site that charges money to post ads, but there are plenty of sites that allow free ads, and I don't see any ads anywhere from Dean. Why is that? If he was so concerned about paying the money, don't you think he would be making some kind of an attempt to sell the animals?

Actually... It's experience that we bring here. What is amusing is you decline to listen because you think you have all the answers.

I have plenty of experiences myself. But I'm not dragging my life history into this thread. My life experiences are mine, and not Dean's, unless we had some kind of an experience that we were both involved with. You can say, this happend to me or that happened to me, but the fact remains, you are not the one in question here, Dean is. I'm not downgrading your experiences, I'm saying those belong to you, and your individualism. You and Dean are not one.

I agree with ya 100%

Thank you, at least we can agree on something.

I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Christina's mouth, you however seem to put a lot of stock in it. Why is that?

I don't recall ever saying that I believed what Christina said. If I did say that, maybe you can show me where.

As for needing a mod... I can answer that since I am an admin on another site. We have mods to take care of problems when we (admins) are not there. The mods on our site get on at different times of the day so normally we can catch problems before they get out of hand.

I was listed as a nominee as well.... and I have power on another site... does that make me a bad guy? I was also on another site at the time that Rich doesn't like. I didn't hide that either. As to "Where would you or anyone else want to be a Mod, on this site, that is well established, or a site that has no members" ..... I am rather happy that I started out as a mod on a site that had just a few members.

This is nothing against Rich.... but you cant compete with a small site when it comes to a more family type atomospher. Every year several members get together to hang out and find herps...We have had members travel from Washington State and Vermont down to IL for the gathering. I am happy that I started off on a small site and if Rich told me that he would make me a mod or even co-admin of this site if I resigned from the other site... I'd tell him to get bent. So to answer your question... I'll choose the small site of this big site anyday. (sorry Rich )

I did ask the question.

Where would you or anyone else want to be a Mod, on this site, that is well established, or a site that has no members?

You are entitled to your opinion, but for me, I would rather be a Mod on a well established site any day over a site that only has a handfull of members. So, neither of us knows what Dean would prefer, so for us to say would really be a guess. I never said Dean liked one over the other, my responce was in the form of a question.

Pot.... Kettle.... Black.

That's not true. I have not dragged anyone into this thread, who was not somehow linked to Dean, in one form or another, regardless of who they are. Christina is specifically linked to Dean in a negative way. I brought her into this because of her accusations about Dean. She made accusations about others, and their names don't belong here.

You're doing the exact same thing. You brought Christina into this... and it's not about her. But you seem to put alot of stock into what the lowest of the low has said. Ever think that maybe... just maybe she was trying to get some of the heat off of her?

I brought her into it because of her accusations, nothing more, nothing less. It allows others to see that there could be other possibilities that Dean may not be on the up and up, and if his Ebay history has anything to show, it shows just that.

And we have given reasonable doubt to your accusations. The key is... your accusations are not a slam dunk. You can squabble over what we bring to the table... but the fact is we are bringing experience and offering input from a different perspective.

You can offer all the input you want, and you said the key words right there "different perspective". That doesn't mean that you are right and I am wrong, you are entitled to what you believe. I can say this for sure, you don't see bad guy stuff about me all over the internet, do you?

 

[cahrens]

Update...

A payment has arrived. $200. We've got a long way to go but it's a start!

 

[brd7666]

A payment has arrived. $200. We've got a long way to go but it's a start!

Glad to see it. Thanks for posting. Hopefully you will get the rest of it.

 

[Lucille]

Glad to see it. Thanks for posting. Hopefully you will get the rest of it.

Ditto here. Keep us posted.

 

[Matt2979]

Woo-HOO!! I know it's a drop in the bucket, but a flood has to start somewhere!! Thanks for posting that, and I hope you get plenty more to post!!!

 

[Killer Chams]

Thats great you got your first payment man. I think Deans got issues that much is readily apparent but it looks like the guys' trying to pay his debt now.
So I give him some credit for that. Although he should have maintained better communication throughout the sitiuation.

 

[SamanthaJane13]

A payment has arrived. $200. We've got a long way to go but it's a start!

AWESOME!!!

I'm so glad for you, Chris!!

And Dean...PLEASE keep those checks coming to clear your name!!

Only YOU can restore our faith in YOU.

I'm glad you came forward and are starting to do the right thing!!

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

A payment has arrived. $200. We've got a long way to go but it's a start!

Im glad to see that you've recived something... Im sure with that there will be more to come as I belive Deans name in the industry does mean alot to him...
I am sorry that it had to go this route and got this far before you were able to recive any of the money your owed... But then again it could have been avoided by a simple Phone call from Dean to you...