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Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

I have never said that Dean was involved in the Wise scam. I have said that it's possible, because that is a true statement, nothing more, nothing less. I brought up the Christina topic because it showed an accusation made by another member here towards Dean, just like Chris has now made an accusation. I never brought up any other members name that Christina threw out there, because they are not the topic of this thread. So to bring anyone else in this thread that Christina pointed a finger at, is really worthless. Those people are not the subject here.

way to throw out accusations without proof to further your agenda :thumbsup:

Alright, he's down to one income, fine. Explain this, why is it that Dean is not running ads anywhere on the internet, at least from what I've seen, to try and sell these animals? Here on Fauna, you can run ads for free. I can see if you don't have any money, how you might not be able to afford an account on a site that charges money to post ads, but there are plenty of sites that allow free ads, and I don't see any ads anywhere from Dean. Why is that? If he was so concerned about paying the money, don't you think he would be making some kind of an attempt to sell the animals?

And you know he's not attempting to how? There are alot of physical pet stores that dont advertise online. Maybe.... just maybe he is trying to get away from the online BS. I cant say I blame him there. I sure dont miss it.

I don't recall ever saying that I believed what Christina said. If I did say that, maybe you can show me where.

If you dont believe it.. then why are you putting so much stock in it?

You are entitled to your opinion, but for me, I would rather be a Mod on a well established site any day over a site that only has a handfull of members. So, neither of us knows what Dean would prefer, so for us to say would really be a guess. I never said Dean liked one over the other, my responce was in the form of a question.

Most of us in a staff position doesn't do it for the position.... it's because we like the site and thus do it for that reason. I dont have to have a staff position on a big site to boost my ego... I am perfectly content working on a site that I helped build from the ground up... seeing as I started off as a founding member, then mod, then admin.

That's not true. I have not dragged anyone into this thread, who was not somehow linked to Dean, in one form or another, regardless of who they are. Christina is specifically linked to Dean in a negative way. I brought her into this because of her accusations about Dean. She made accusations about others, and their names don't belong here.

Once again... you're putting stock in what she says. It was never proven they were linked other than her trying to deflect heat away from her by naming other folks. Dave has already posted that he doesn't believe Dean was involved... but your hell bent on believing he was. Personally I think you have a vindeta against Dean. Dave has more information on the Wise scam than anyone else on this site. He's had access to their accounts.... but yet your still holding fast to the theory that somehow Dean was involved because after Christina got busted she tried to throw others under the bus in hopes that it would keep that bus from hitting her.
 
A payment has arrived. $200. We've got a long way to go but it's a start!


There is a lot of you* that have participated in this thread that should feel like real a-holes right now. The way you guys will twist things to paint this picture of a shady, complex network of criminal activity when things are really what they appear to be. Dude is broke from getting a divorce. He's going to make it right, and has already started.

Meanwhile you guys are here turning on each other and displaying your nastiest traits. Disgusting. No faith in your fellow man.

Wow. Just wow.
 
Do you have a link for the trial were he was convicted of that?
Nope, sure don't. I don't have a dog in this fight either. I just find it disingenuous to completely ignore consistent, repeating evidence of fraud by a seller.
 
way to throw out accusations without proof to further your agenda :thumbsup:



And you know he's not attempting to how? There are alot of physical pet stores that dont advertise online. Maybe.... just maybe he is trying to get away from the online BS. I cant say I blame him there. I sure dont miss it.


If you dont believe it.. then why are you putting so much stock in it?



Most of us in a staff position doesn't do it for the position.... it's because we like the site and thus do it for that reason. I dont have to have a staff position on a big site to boost my ego... I am perfectly content working on a site that I helped build from the ground up... seeing as I started off as a founding member, then mod, then admin.



Once again... you're putting stock in what she says. It was never proven they were linked other than her trying to deflect heat away from her by naming other folks. Dave has already posted that he doesn't believe Dean was involved... but your hell bent on believing he was. Personally I think you have a vindeta against Dean. Dave has more information on the Wise scam than anyone else on this site. He's had access to their accounts.... but yet your still holding fast to the theory that somehow Dean was involved because after Christina got busted she tried to throw others under the bus in hopes that it would keep that bus from hitting her.

I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you, because it really isn't worth my time. I did highlight part of your post in red, and I will respond to that.

I am not convinced that Dean has a retail store. There are no listings anywhere for his business name anywhere other then his home address. There is nothing in any of the directory's that I can find.

He just created his business in October of last year, as you can see in this screen shot. The business is a home based business and not a store front.

As of this moment the business is in both our names.

It looks like it's in Dean's name, and no one elses. You can see who owns the business in this screen shot. Your name is not there.

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Actually, Dean told me in an e-mail on 10-31 that he just opened a storefront so it was already open at this time.

If he had a store, then why did the animals ship to his house, why not ship them to the store?

Without that guaranteed income, his new store front has to pay both home and shop bills on it's own and take care of the animals in his care.

Where is this store front? Why can't it be found? If you do a Google search with Dean's business phone number, it pulls up nothing. If you do a reverse search it pulls up nothing. If you search by his name or business name it pulls up nothing. If you search using the word pets, it pulls up nothing. I used quite a few ways to search for his store front, and none of them found anything.

He no longer has an I-Phone, the only reason Utta was able to reach him on his phone is because I told him he had until the end of February to get the phone out of my name. He will more than likely be losing his business phone number, as we can't figure out a way to allow him to port it without me being stuck with the ETF.

I have three cell phones in my name. I called Verizon and asked them if I wanted to put one of those numbers in someone elses name, could I do that. They said yes I could as long as I signed some paperwork transferring the number to someone else. So I don't think much effort went into figuring that out.


In this next quote, you will see the day Reagan claims she left Dean.

Davey, I just checked the calendar to get the exact date I left. I left on my payday which was 12/17.

In this next quote, which is four days later, you can see Dean says he will be sending another payment.

Dean,
Where you at? I e-mailed you and haven't heard back. I still haven't received either of these money orders. Please don't leave me in the dark on this. Let me know what's going on. Thanks. -Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Strictly Exotics
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Address


All they have told me so far is that is hasn't been cashed yet. It is possible that I may have sent it to a wrong p.o box, from what they said or put the wrong zip code on it which might be delaying it. I plan on sending one out for 500.00 tomorrow evening and hopefully I can find out when I can get a re-issue on the 900.00 one.



This is a post by Chris on 2-17-11, and it's a text that Dean sent back to him on that day.

Me at 11:01
So answer me this... Where is the money order for 900 that you said you sent?

Dean at 11:06
I have been out of my home since all of this went down in dec so i ended up using the refund to say to stay in a weekly motel so i could keep the snakes warm. All the utilities were in her name and shut off. I had on choice but to use the money

If Dean has a retail store, why is he dragging the snakes out of his house that he claims has no power, into a motel, so he can keep the snakes warm? Why aren't they in the pet store where they belong?

Reagen says she left on 12-17, and Dean claims to have opened a store in October. In October, as far as he knew, his family life was business as usual. Reagan even said she made him think everything was fine. So, why is it that Dean can't post about his new store front on his Facebook page? He post's on there about his other business events, like shows he's doing, t-shirts, and so on. Why no mention of a store? Why no mention of a store anywhere?

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Here is the quote of Reagan saying she led Dean on into thinking all was well. So, if all was well, and he did open a store, why not tell the world?

However I did lie to Dean about attempting to work things out with him over the past six months so I can figure out a way I can make it on my own and get back to Kansas City. When he made the deal with Chris, he thought we would be paying the bills together. I never gave him a reason to think otherwise. Life is more peaceful and less fights if I just made it seem like everything is ok.

Dean's last log in here was on December 21, 2010. That's two months after he claims to have opened a store. Why wasn't he talking about it here in the forums? Did he post somewhere on this site, that he opened a store? Maybe I didn't see it. If he opened a store in October, he was still active here for two months after that, why is there no mention of a store from Dean? Can someone show me where this store is?

If that cell phone is his business phone, then how does he run credit cards at his store. You need a phone or internet to run a credit card. No retail store can make it without the ability to take credit cards. If that phone is his business phone, then why is there no listing for it if he really has a store? If people can't locate a business in the directory's, then how are you going to get customers?
 
Do you have a link for the trial were he was convicted of that?

Just because a person isn't convicted of something, doesn't mean they didn't do it. If you have been following the Wise scam, you can see how hard things can be, and chances of them ever being arrested are not very good.
 
It looks like Dean has begun to pay the OP back. Whether or not he continues remains to be seen. Now that every square inch of his life has been exposed and questioned, maybe people should back of the carcass and simply monitor whether or not he pays all of it back. After all, there are plenty of other people who have screwed others out of more money who have quietly oozed off of the front page.........$13,500.00 from Mitcham and $5-7K from Adam Wysocki, anybody remember those?


Naw, there's no personal drama involved in those, or if there is, people are correctly staying away from it and focusing on the actual scam(s) at hand.

The motives behind why Dean did what he did don't really matter. All that matters is that he repays his debt. This other drama regarding his personal relationships, questioning whether or not a tornado really damaged his parent's house, second guessing whether a lack of conviction is really a conviction, or a rose by any other name is still a rose or debating whether he wipes sitting down or standing up is really sad.

Keep the damn thread on the front page until he pays his debt........in the meantime if any of you feel the burning need to continue delving into his personal life, his past, his secret pact with the Wise's or his wife's cup size, seriously, consider starting a support group and pursue this soap opera somewhere else.
 
Nope, sure don't. I don't have a dog in this fight either. I just find it disingenuous to completely ignore consistent, repeating evidence of fraud by a seller.

I find it incredible that so many scumbags flock to this hobby.

How many people have been scammed by members of the community that outwardly appeared to be fine upstanding citizens?
 
For those of you who seem to think that I have some kind of a personal problem with Dean, that simply isn't true. I was accused earlier in this thread by Reagan about assuming, and for those of you who are saying I have a personal problem with Dean, you are doing that as well.

The fact is, I want the truth. If I make a mistake, and I'm proven wrong, then what I set out to do was accomplished, and the truth was presented in one form or another. How this thread makes me look is not a concern of mine. Chris did not deserve what has taken place here, and it's been shown, that from start until now, this whole transaction has been full of lies. Those lies have come from Dean, and Reagan. Read these next two quotes carefully. You will see that they contradict themselves.

He no longer has an I-Phone, the only reason Utta was able to reach him on his phone is because I told him he had until the end of February to get the phone out of my name. He will more than likely be losing his business phone number, as we can't figure out a way to allow him to port it without me being stuck with the ETF.

I took Dean's cell phone where he no longer has a smart phone. He has an inexpensive phone(I paid $15 for a cheap gophone to replace his iphone) that I only pay an additional 9.99 a month for, no need for me to pay for a data plan. I am wanting to take that line and give it to my youngest son when I go home for spring break.

In the top post you say that you took Dean's phone away. You talk about early termination fees also. You also say that you told Dean to get the phone out of your name, but he can't do that, you have to do that, because you claim that the contract is in your name. So it isn't possible for him to get the phone out of your name.

In the bottom post you say he has a cheap phone, but that cheap phone still has the same number as the I-phone had.

If you have ever had a cell phone contract, then you would know, that you can't just up and stop paying for a data plan, you are under contract. Not only that, but you claim you went and bought another phone. You would of had to pay to switch the I-phone phone number over to the cheap phone, while still having to pay for the data plan, because you are under contract. So you say "no need for me to pay for a data plan." That is a lie. Not only would you still be paying for a data plan, but you would also be paying the additional 9.99 a month, plus taxes for the new cheap phone. Which means, you now have a numberless I-phone, or it has a new number that you are paying the data plan on, because you are under contract, and in addition to that, you added another 9.99 plus tax to your plan. You talk about the early termination fees in the top post, but yet you are willing to pay for these other additional fees.

If you did all of these things, they would have told you, to just sign over the number to him right then and there, it would have been cheaper for you. In both cases you would have had to pay for a new number, but you would of walked away with the I-phone with new number, and Dean would have walked out with his same number under his own name. No contract would have been broken.

Until the divorce is final and the business is completely out of my name it does concern me.

I already posted to show that your name is not associated with the business. So, now on to the divorce.

I posted your marriage license to show a few things. One of those was to show some of the things that are found on county web sites in their public records. I have been through Cleveland County Public Records, and there is nothing in there about you filing for a divorce. Marriage licenses, and divorces are public record. I have found another court case where Dean was involved, but nothing about a divorce. I have not posted the other court case about Dean in this thread.

So, maybe you are, or maybe you aren't getting a divorce. But regardless of that, here is something that I believe.

I believe that when women make a claim about hardships, and so on, people are more symathetic, then if a man posted the same thing. So, by you making post's here, and not Dean, it raises the level of sympathy, and some people will try to be a little more lenient, and show more mercy, and by doing so, they will be more defensive of your situation. Regardless of whether the truth is even known.

In this case, had Dean come on here and said the same things you did, after seeing the evidence against him, people would have jumped all over him, and said he's just making excuses, which is one of the things Chris has gotten plenty of. Dean is not posting here, because you are posting for him. There is no reason Dean can't post here. I'm not saying that Dean should post here, I'm just saying that there is no reason why he can't.

Dean has made a step in the right direction by sending Chris some money. If his current rate of payment continues, Chris will have been paid off in five years. Not quite what he had in mind, but it's better then not getting any money at all. I hope he continues to pay Chris, and eventually pays his entire debt.

I am looking forward to the day that I come here, and give Dean a big apology, and I will be happy to do so, when Chris is paid in full.
 
It looks like Dean has begun to pay the OP back. Whether or not he continues remains to be seen. Now that every square inch of his life has been exposed and questioned, maybe people should back of the carcass and simply monitor whether or not he pays all of it back. After all, there are plenty of other people who have screwed others out of more money who have quietly oozed off of the front page.........$13,500.00 from Mitcham and $5-7K from Adam Wysocki, anybody remember those?


Naw, there's no personal drama involved in those, or if there is, people are correctly staying away from it and focusing on the actual scam(s) at hand.

The motives behind why Dean did what he did don't really matter. All that matters is that he repays his debt. This other drama regarding his personal relationships, questioning whether or not a tornado really damaged his parent's house, second guessing whether a lack of conviction is really a conviction, or a rose by any other name is still a rose or debating whether he wipes sitting down or standing up is really sad.

Keep the damn thread on the front page until he pays his debt........in the meantime if any of you feel the burning need to continue delving into his personal life, his past, his secret pact with the Wise's or his wife's cup size, seriously, consider starting a support group and pursue this soap opera somewhere else.

Thank You Craig!...Chris is out $4000 and is doing the least amount of crying about it.
 
Brian, you posted his business enough showing he has a registered business and he is acting as his own registered agent and he wants all legal documents to go to his home address. Good thing he is at least acting as his own registered agent, had he listed an attorney here(like some people do). You would of said he didn't even own the company. Look up what registered agent means.

As far as the phone goes, I work for the company I have my Cellphones through. I know my contract is for the number. The terms and conditions state as long as I have a smart phone on that line I have to pay a data plan. However I went and bought a 15 gophone, anyone can do it and register that sim card and phone to the number in contract. I no longer have to pay the data plan. He doesn't want service where I work and I have a block on my account from him porting the number out, so I won't be stuck with the ETF fee.
 
As far as the phone goes, I work for the company I have my Cellphones through. I know my contract is for the number. The terms and conditions state as long as I have a smart phone on that line I have to pay a data plan. However I went and bought a 15 gophone, anyone can do it and register that sim card and phone to the number in contract. I no longer have to pay the data plan.

I have to back this up GoPhones are AT&T. You only pay for the data plan if you have a data phone, you can pop the SIM into a cheap phone and cancel the data plan. AT&T does sweeps of their system to detect what phone you are using and will add a data plan if it detects a phone without one unless you are grandfathered in but that is a different story.
 
Wow, I cant believe I read that whole thing. Glad to see the OP is getting some of his money back, and like everyone else is saying, a phone call would have gone a LONG way to settle this a few months ago.

BTW, where did someone get banned, I must have missed that???
 
A possible reason that Dean has not posted here has already been stated - whether anybody chooses to believe it, or not: Reagan said he changed his password, and doesn't remember it. That would also be a good explanation as to why he hasn't posted anything else here (the ads that a couple of people mentioned not being posted).
I have confirmed that the email attached to Dean's account is no longer valid. That means that he cannot use the automatic system to get/reset his password.


I will also say that Dean contacted me today to see if there is anything I can do to help him get access to his account. I did think of one possibility, but I'm not sure if it can be done...and, even if it can, I can't make it happen so I passed it along to Rich.
 
Wow, I cant believe I read that whole thing. Glad to see the OP is getting some of his money back, and like everyone else is saying, a phone call would have gone a LONG way to settle this a few months ago.

BTW, where did someone get banned, I must have missed that???

tat2joeelliott was banned in post # 337
 
Not that it really matters but his 30 day ban has nothing to do with this thread. He earned it elsewhere.

His comment, while very crude, didnt seem like something to be banned over. Oh well, sorry for taking away from the subject at hand (although I think 80% of the posts on this thread do that!!!)
 
A possible reason that Dean has not posted here has already been stated - whether anybody chooses to believe it, or not: Reagan said he changed his password, and doesn't remember it. That would also be a good explanation as to why he hasn't posted anything else here (the ads that a couple of people mentioned not being posted).
I have confirmed that the email attached to Dean's account is no longer valid. That means that he cannot use the automatic system to get/reset his password.


I will also say that Dean contacted me today to see if there is anything I can do to help him get access to his account. I did think of one possibility, but I'm not sure if it can be done...and, even if it can, I can't make it happen so I passed it along to Rich.

An admin (or possibly a mod) can give his user account a new email and password and send that info to him. It only takes a couple of minutes.
 
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