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Desert Enchi Egg Bound Surgery... DUW!

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Well, I have now had a personal experience with reproductive issues in a Desert female. I am going to try and make this as short and summarized as possible because I hate to type… LOL
This is still going to be a long post due to pictures and descriptions of my experience. I am posting in hopes that a few questions can be answered and to let inquiring minds make their own decision on this topic. I believe there is some valuable information here and I learned a few things first hand.
On Friday 7/20/2012, this Desert Enchi aka Tiger female passed 2 slugs(infertile ova). She seemed to still have 2 slugs/eggs in her so I waited her out until today. Today I tried to manually palpate these eggs slugs out but they stopped about 3 inches from her vent. So we went to my colleague’s Veterinary practice. For those of you that do not know my background, I am a Certified Veterinary Technician and I teach Veterinary Assistance. My colleague is a good friend and great Veterinary Surgeon. Note; this picture was taken today before we left to the clinic.
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Once at the clinic we anesthetized her with a gas anesthetic (Isoflourane). Once under general anesthetic, we again tried to manually palpate the remaining eggs/slugs out. Again they stopped about 3 inches from her vent. So now we are off to surgery.
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In these pictures you can see the surgeon removing the first slug. Once removed, he found that she had a stricture in her oviduct that was preventing her from passing the slug. The stricture was so small that he couldn’t pass a red rubber catheter thru (1/8 inch diameter). The stricture was about 3 inches from her vent/cloaca.
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Now he is trying to remove the second slug. He tried to move it down and thru his original surgical opening. He found that she had another stricture in her oviduct so he had to make a second incision.
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Before he closed her up we obtained a sample from the lumen of her oviduct to submit for culture. I had collaborated with another breeder that is also a DVM and he recommended it since we were there. The results of the culture will be back in a week or so and I can give an update. I don’t think that it will yield anything diagnostic but you never know…. And if you don’t try, then it would be a waste not to, in my opinion.
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Post op pictures. She is doing well and I anticipate a full recovery.
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In closing I would like to voice my opinion on what I think is going on. My opinion is based on my experience, opinions from colleagues and information readily available from other breeders that have had similar issues with Desert female reproduction. I think at least 2 things are going on.
1) I think that Desert females have issues producing viable ova that can be fertilized. This could explain the very high infertility issues.
2) I think a large number have anatomical issues with their oviducts preventing the passage of eggs/slugs. Like strictures seen in this female.
I hope that this helps those with questions about reproductive issues in Desert females.
 
I hope she makes a full, uneventful recovery for you.

Thanks for sharing your experience. It's refreshing to see honest breeders doing so.
 
Holy crap, talk about an owner going above and beyond. You are amazing!!!! Thanks for this very informational thread. Ill be avoiding this morph. Just incredible. Jeep us updated on her progress!
 
Thanks for taking the time to share this information Alan!

Honesty is the best policy and that's more than I can say for some. ... Someone had to put the time in and post the findings...good, bad or otherwise... I can look back now and say I did my best and this is it....

Thank you for giving thanks Jerry. I'm sure we will talk sooner than later. :)
 
Hi Alan, I would also like to thank you for sharing this info and hope your girl makes a quick recovery. It is nice to get some real info on this morph not just hear say.
 
Thank you for taking the time to post this very informative thread. I hope she makes a full recovery for you, she is a good looking girl.
 
thanks Alan for the details and the pictures. I know this has been a topic a lot of people have commenting on. A new speculation I heard was that there is a certain hognose that slugs the first time everytime then goes on to produce. If there is for sure a reproductive problem then I do not want to try at any point and my females will remain pets, and given away to friends who want a single pet. I am glad that you had the capability to take care of your tiger, she is very beautiful. I cannot wait to hear more from you on other findings. Thanks again.
 
So glad to hear that she's in such great hands and has a chance of a full recovery. And, like many others, I really appreciate your sharing such valuable info on this subject with the rest of us. Thank you!!
 
Wow! Poor girl! I hope she has a speedy recovery. Maybe your experience will change peoples' minds about breeding their desert girls.

Thank you for posting this. I am very interested in reading the results of the tests.
 
I wonder if one would need to wait until the female is really big before breeding a female desert
 
Yes....big enough for many....but I said really big....I mean like 3000 gram big
 
QUOTE - dumjeYes....big enough for many....but I said really big....I mean like 3000 gram big >>

Well, if you believe that special requirements are needed for a individual morph with in a species than that is your right. Please post the results of your findings. Pictures of your experience would be proof of your findings. Lots of people speculate, very few post there findings with documentation.

Good luck and have fun! :thumbsup:
 
Thank you Alan! This is very interesting. Now I can be fully certain when I finally get a desert spider like I have wanted it will be a gorgeous pet/display snake regardless of the sex.
 
Alan

I in no way have been nasty or short with you. I was making a suggestion based off of your experience. Thats it. No need for you to be an :censored:

Im glad you did what you did...you have taken a step further than most and posted your results unlike most that is a great thing.

thank you
 
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