Inquiry Diana Carpenter, Maryland. Questionable customer service?

[PAVLOVK1025]

I recently contacted Diana for an 08 bee female for $700+shipping. After a couple of emails I agreed to buy it on receipt of the second picture, a dated one that would identify ownership. She marked it sold for me in the ad, stopped communication once I asked question and sold it to someone else. Gonna post the emails and PMs. This isnt more because of bitterness, more because I have a bad feeling about this seller in the first place.


I will post everything in the order that it was communicated.

Private Message: Bee female
Recipients: Tigerlilly

02-14-2010, 12:31 PM
PAVLOVK1025
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Trader Rating: (0) Bee female

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Pictures / Weight? Very interested, been looking for one for a while.
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 12:34:07 PM
Subject: Bee female

Hi I pmed you on Fauna but am sending you an email just in case. Do you have a weight for the bee female? Also any pictures? Thanks!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:40:03 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bee female


At last weigh in (the first of the month), she was at 1139g Her picture is attached. Thanks!


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 12:43:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bee female

Ok, I am more than interested now. For my security, can I have another pic with like todays newspaper or something specific?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:45:25 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bee female


Of course! I'll get that to you right away. Thanks!


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 12:47:13 PM
Subject: Re: Bee female

Okay thank you, I appreciate that. As soon as you get me that picture I can pay you 350 today and 350 on the first, assuming shipping is included. If it isn't then ill pay 350 today and 400 on the 1st. Will that work for you?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:49:33 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bee female


That would work fine However, shipping is not included in the cost of a single animal - but it may be slightly cheaper than $50. If you give me your ZIP I can get you a quote


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 12:50:50 PM
Subject: Re: Bee female

84120 is the zip and that's fine, I expected to pay shipping. So yeah just send me that pic and your paypal and we can get going. Name's Konstantin by the way.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


THIS IS WHERE IT GETS ODD...


From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:25:45 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bee female


I'm having a little trouble finding the camera so sorry it's taking so long! Looks like I need to do some spring cleaning early! But I'll have that picture to you soon - just wanted to let you know why its taking a while. Thanks!


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 3:03:32 PM
Subject: Re: Bee female

Sorry for the flurry of emails I'm just very interested and don't want to lose her to someone else.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:06:53 -0800 (PST)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bee female


Have you sent other emails? The last one I received was the one with your ZIP in it. (They may have landed in my Junk folder, though. Not sure why any would have, but I'll check!)

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 3:16:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bee female

That junk mail folder is what I'm worried about, don't wanna lose the sale because my emails are lost lol.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless


Re: Bee female
Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:29 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Diana Carpenter" <[email protected]>
Add sender to ContactsTo: [email protected]

Yeah, I'm not sure why they went in there. I did check you as Not Spam, though, so hopefully it stops now

I do have a camera phone, but its a bit old so it doesn't have a USB port on it unfortunately. Still trying to get that camera, though (And I did mark her sold for you on the thread )


Between those last 3 emails, the female gets marked sold in the thread and she made the comment that it is indee spoken for.

Tigerlilly
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Trader Rating: (0) ~'08 Male Bee $600 ~'08 2.2 Mojave group $1600 ~'09 Super Pastel $625 ~Lots more!

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1.1 '08 pair Bumblebee - $1150 shipped ($150+ discount!) as a pair; $700 for the female and $600 for the male (+shipping) if purchased separately. Female has been sold.


02-14-2010, 02:10 PM #5
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02-14-2010, 02:33 PM #6
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Trader Rating: (0) Female is spoken for, and I will fight to the death for her lol
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02-14-2010, 04:34 PM #7
Tigerlilly
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Trader Rating: (0) She is indeed spoken for

That was the last email, the rest of the communication is in PMs, and it gets weirder.

02-14-2010, 10:21 PM
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My emails arent going through, any word on those pictures? Is there a good number to reach you at?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PAVLOVK1025
My emails arent going through, any word on those pictures? Is there a good number to reach you at?

I did find the camera, but I set it down just before dinner and completely forgot about taking the pictures! I'm so sorry about that! I can will get them to you first thing in the morning.

As for the number, I can get that to you as soon as the kids get off to school in the morning (We have a "bank" of cell phones for our family that I keep in the kitchen once the kids come home from school. They aren't assigned a certain phone, so I'll have to see which one they don't grab in the morning. Some consider me an over protective mom )

02-14-2010, 11:12 PM
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Ok sounds good. Doesnt even have to be a dated newspaper if you can just put a piece of paper saying Diana Carpenter 2/15/10 thatll work for me. Theres been a lot of recent scamming activity on this site and Im a lot more wary than usual, so Im sorry. Anyways Im looking forward to hearing from you in the morning then. Email or PM. Talk to you soon.

02-15-2010, 03:58 PM
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Trader Rating: (0) Hey


Any word on those pictures?


02-16-2010, 02:00 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) Re: Pics?

Hey any word on those pics?




So all contact stopped, and suddenly the animal is sold to someone else. I received her emails just fine, so her excuse about an email discrepancy in her ad is fishy. I hope Chuck isnt posting a ba guy thread in a week or two.

 

[PAVLOVK1025]

New information. A quick google search turned up the same picture as the bee she is selling, for sale in August 09
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143169

 

[StrictlyExotics]

I am right there with you Konstantin... The bee pics looked aweful familiar to another one but I do not know where. When she emailed me about the bees... She did in fact say that the female was sold before she sent me a pic of the male. The pic of the male happens to be the SAME pic in your post. So what I dont get is, is that the pic of the male or the female? I had her send me the pics of all the Mojaves too. Never did I get a pic of BOTH bees however.

 

[Willow]

*sigh* I would be shocked if a bee over 1000 grams still looked like that....i highly doubt the bee in that pic is over 1000 grams...considering they darken up alot as they get that size, i haven't seen a bee that yellow once it hit over 1000 grams...also a female bee that large for only $700? I told you in chat that seemed fishy considering people are still selling hatchlings for around that much

other then that....goooood find on that post from Aug....I had a few funny feelings as well when you where in chat talking about wanting to buy that bee....the fact that the picture is in another post from back in Aug sure doesn't help this situation look any more innocent

 

[~Drummer215~]

smells like a scammer to me

 

[PAVLOVK1025]

I am right there with you Konstantin... The bee pics looked aweful familiar to another one but I do not know where. When she emailed me about the bees... She did in fact say that the female was sold before she sent me a pic of the male. The pic of the male happens to be the SAME pic in your post. So what I dont get is, is that the pic of the male or the female? I had her send me the pics of all the Mojaves too. Never did I get a pic of BOTH bees however.

Oh its not just my post, in her email she sent me that picture as the female also.

 

[jntreptiles]

I also agree that a bee over 1000 grams would not be as vibrant, as they do tend to darken up considerably by that weight.

I only followed the classified because I was possibly interested in some of the Mojaves myself, but thought that some of the prices to me seemed a little high, so I was just waiting to see what happened in the ad before offering a price I thought was reasonable.

In following the ad, I to was lead to believe that Pav had purchased the animal and was awaiting a final picture for confirmation. It seemed as Tigerlily had agreed to all of the arrangements that Pav had presented to her.

Now, I dont agree with Harold as to the first one who sends money wins. Once I reach an agreement with a client even a verbal, I honor that commitment so long as the buyer does not breach that in any way. However, I do agree with him that you were not scammed.

I do believe that there was definitely something funny with the supposed missing emails, and in my opinion what it boils down to is Chuck was able to cough up the total balance due all at once and the sale was passed onto him.

Once again, IMO defintely questionable customer service on the part of the seller.

Pav, good luck with finding another Bee and....

Chuck, hope all works out well on your end

 

[Willow]

I do hope that this situation works out for Chuck, as i know it wasnt his intention to mess anything up for Pav...altho with the info presented so far and the fact that the picture seems to be stolen...its not looking to promising on weather he will get a bee shipped to him =(

 

[garweft]

Let's see....

1) New account on Fauna

2) Underpriced yearling bumblebees

3) Stolen pictures

4) Dropped communication after request for additional pics to prove she has snake

1+2+3+4 doesn't add up to good news. Glad to see you didn't rush in and send any money. At worst you miss out on a good deal, but I doubt that the seller actually has them. I feel bad for anyone that sent money.

I actually hope that they get what they bought..... just don't think it's going to happen.

 

[garweft]

If it's not too much trouble for a moderator an IP check would be nice. Just to get an idea on location or any other accounts.

 

[shlages]

A big red flag for me with her was her acct name is amazingly close to a reputable breeders. Too close.Also I noticed that @ least 1 known scammer also caught using stolen pics has been logging in here & reading LOTS of B.O.I. threads. Maybe to figure out how they went wrong in other scams.We all need to watch out... I feel a helluva s**tstorm coming.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Just to let everyone know... I was looking into the Bees as well as the Mojaves. I will say that she did tell me right off, the only bee left was the male. Could it bee because she only had ONE pic of the bee, maybe. I got an odd feeling from this deal right from the start and felt that the picture was seen by me somewhere else but could not place where. The "male" bee pic I received is the same one Konstantin got as the female pic.

I havent really been paying attention to all the Mojave pics out there but who knows.
I DID check around the BOI to find a Diana Carpenter and, to no avail, I did not find one. I had bad instincts about this deal and decided that it just wasnt for me. I dont know why but, from the begining, it seemed fishy.

She did not post that the female Bee was sold until Konstantin threatened me with bodily harm that she, the bee, was his. I did notice though, her constant contact was great until there was some questioning at hand.

 

[Willow]

happen to still have the pics of the mojos? posting them may help if they are stolen as well

 

[shlages]

Re: 09 Super Pastel female

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shlages
Hi, Do you have any pics & weight on her?Hope to hear from you soon,
John
Here's the PM & link to the pic for the "F SUPER PASTEL".
Dunno if this is gonna work...


She's at 890g as of the first of the month.

Here's a picture:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8906/suppastelf.jpg

Thanks!

 

[shlages]

UGH!!The Here's the Pm & link/Dunno if this is gonna work was supposed to be @ the top not in the middle.

Re: 09 Super Pastel female

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shlages
Hi, Do you have any pics & weight on her?Hope to hear from you soon,
John

She's at 890g as of the first of the month.

Here's a picture:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8906/suppastelf.jpg

Thanks!

 

[StrictlyExotics]

John,

I could post them but what I dont like about posting them is that I cannot prove that she sent them to me. If I can prove that they were sent by her, I would DEFINITELY post them.

 

[Willow]

ehhh...i may be wrong...but that doesn't look like a super pastel...looks kinda like a fire

 

[Willow]

Dean...did she email them or PM them to you....either way there should be a header with the date and what not that you can copy and post along with them

 

[shlages]

Willow-That's what I was thinking... DEF not a super.
Dean-Why wouldn't you be able to prove it? Wouldn't a screen shot show who sent the messages? Or copy & paste?

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Re: Bumblebee
Sun, February 14, 2010 8:55:40 PMFrom: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>


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Ah, I can completely understand that feeling! Take your time and definitely take what's best for you!




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From: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 9:46:56 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Basically, I am just doing the math. I have a couple of collections of animals that I am looking at. I am trying to figure out where the best value for the money is for me. The other deal has all proven breeder size females, some morph ones too. But, its also 5000.00. I just want to get the best value for my dollar all together.

Dean




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From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
To: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:36:36 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


I can just let him know that you're looking them over right now and tell him I'll let him know I just didn't want you to be completely off the Mojaves and not let him have a chance - no problem at all with letting you make a decision since you were the first interested Thanks!




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From: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 9:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Hi Diana,

I havent made up my mind yet as to what I want to do. If you have someone interested, please, go ahead and sell them. Just let me know if you do so I can my decision as to what I want to buy a little easier.

Thanks,

Dean




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From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
To: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:24:29 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Dean,
I just wanted to check and see if you're still interested in the Mojave females - I have someone wanting to know if they're still available but if you're still interested then I can let him know Thanks!




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From: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:32:02 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Have any of the males ever been proven to breed? Any wobble issues with the bee? How do you ship and are you capable of taking payment with a credit card through PayPal? Let me know and sorry for the joke towards Konstantin in your ad. I wasnt trying to take it over... LoL

Dean




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From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
To: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 6:20:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


At my last weigh-in (at the first of the month), he weighed 833g. He's eating F/T rats every 4-5 days.

The Mojave male weights are 907g and 879g. Both are eating on the same schedule as the Bumblebee.

The females are at 1116g and 1080g. They eat F/T rats every 3-4 days.

Pictures are attached. Thanks!




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From: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:06:08 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Diana,

What is his weight and how is his feeding regime. Also, can you give me the vitals on the Mojave's as well as pics.

Thanks,

Dean




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From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 3:15:00 PM
Subject: Bumblebee


The female bee was actually just sold. However, here's the male. Thanks!


Re: Bumblebee
Sun, February 14, 2010 6:20:49 PMFrom: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>

4 Files Download All
Susan - Mojave.jpg (47KB); Sally - Mojave.jpg (59KB); Dan - Mojave.jpg (53KB); Alex - Mojave.png (586KB)

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At my last weigh-in (at the first of the month), he weighed 833g. He's eating F/T rats every 4-5 days.

The Mojave male weights are 907g and 879g. Both are eating on the same schedule as the Bumblebee.

The females are at 1116g and 1080g. They eat F/T rats every 3-4 days.

Pictures are attached. Thanks!




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From: Dean Stemple <[email protected]>
To: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:06:08 PM
Subject: Re: Bumblebee


Diana,

What is his weight and how is his feeding regime. Also, can you give me the vitals on the Mojave's as well as pics.

Thanks,

Dean




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From: Diana Carpenter <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 3:15:00 PM
Subject: Bumblebee


The female bee was actually just sold. However, here's the male. Thanks!