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Disappointed.....Venomoid advertising

Chris@TSE said:
Isnt there about a dozen or more other threads around here touching on this subject?


We do not need another, try staying on topic for a change. Last I checked this was about a particular person or persons advertising and the fact that some users simply do not want to see their ads displayed. Rich has already addressed this and did so very well.... Lets not turn this into yet ANOTHER "venomoid" rant..... I hate them just as much as any, but I hate seeing this crap repeated over and over again nearly the same.


Sorry Chris and Jim and others I have offended,I just haven't been able to find the real reason they do what they do,I thought someone might be able to inlightin me on the reasoning. If someone can delete my last post that would be cool,I don't wont trouble just wanting to now why. I appogize greatly, very very sorry. :unhappy:
 
It's OK Steve. I'm not offended. It's just that venomoids are an emotional issue and if people come to this thread to bash them then the original topic will be lost. That (I am guessing) was the reason for Chris's post.

There are many threads here regarding venomoids. Just use the search function using the term "venomoid" and you will find more info than you ever wanted to know. :p
 
Jim O said:
It's just that venomoids are an emotional issue and if people come to this thread to bash them then the original topic will be lost. That (I am guessing) was the reason for Chris's post.

You got it.
 
Jim O said:
It's OK Steve. I'm not offended. It's just that venomoids are an emotional issue and if people come to this thread to bash them then the original topic will be lost. That (I am guessing) was the reason for Chris's post.

There are many threads here regarding venomoids. Just use the search function using the term "venomoid" and you will find more info than you ever wanted to know. :p

Thank you much Jim I appreciate. I will go check it out and see if I can find my answers on another thread.
 
I fail to see how we went off topic (and I received more points, yawn) in discussing the fact that we don't like venomoids, and don't feel they should be advertised here.
Is $$$$ really that much of a king to you ?

bums me out, to no end !!!

greg
 
I don't have a problem with voids provided the surgery is done properly.

reina is supporting and advertising some of the biggest scumbags in the industry who do NOT do things properly.

Rich you are supporting guys like CRE and all the other butchers out there by allowing him to advertise on your site. If kenny "gorrila boy" yates came back and wanted to advertise would you let him as well? What about mitch triana? Or how about bobby pruett? There IS a line. I can see a line. It seems that others also see this line. I think you must also see this line as you are not slow or foolish.

I don't have a stake in your enterprise but I have to tell you that as a long time member seeing that banner makes me, for the first time, not 100% proud to be a member here.

There are those I won't share a drink with,won't do business with, hell there are some I won't even speak with. There is a minimum standard that must be met to associate with anyone, myself in particular and reina is most definately one of them who falls FAR below that standard. I am not alone in my thinking.

However, all that personal crap aside because all of THAT has nothing to do with why I don't like seeing that banner and why I think it's wrong to advertise his site.

What he does, those whom he supports, are WRONG. They ARE the bad guys in this industry. THEY are the parasites that make things tough on all of us and you Rich, are indirectly supporting them in your LLC.

I think you made the wrong decision.
 
Rich already explained this matter....... Money is not a deciding factor. I do not agree with venomoids, but I do not think that the opinion of a majority of members warrents barring such advertising. Ultimately it is up to the owner of the site and he has made his position perfectly clear last I checked....

You know, I don't like so and so..... don't let him run ads...

or...

You know, I don't like snake snares.... don't let them run ads....

or....

You know, I don't like thermostats.... don't let them run ads.... LOL

gets ridiculous....

Everyone is going to dislike something, don't like the ads? Don't click on them. Simple as that. Just know that the advertiser you may dislike is in fact helping pay the fees associated with running a site you happen to enjoy frequenting, they may not promote something you agree with but this sort of thing happens on every site running ads I have ever encountered. Casino ads, Porn ads, free iPod ads, free credit report ads, you name it...... you're always going to encounter something you simply do not want to see or you may not agree with. The only reason this is being brought up here is the fact that this Christian guy is pretty much collectively hated and of course venomoids is a fairly touchy subject around these parts, globally disliked for very good reason!

Regardless.....

Great, you don't like venomoids. I don't like venomoids.

This is news? I think not. Granted one could argue that someone is supporting it by allowing such ads to rotate yet where do you draw the line? You have to be somewhat accepting of all aspects of the hobby I would assume. A majority of keepers dislike venomoids, yet there are those who enjoy keeping them and they should have access to information about them. I'd rather see one of these people be informed than take on such an animal completely uneducated.... That would simply make bad matters much worse but I'm one of the last people who can speak accurately on the subject. I've never owned a void and never will.

Nonetheless, Lets stay on topic. Yes we all know venomoids are horrid and they promote the worst in the hobby..... But if you want to rant about it there are literally dozens of other threats DEDICATED to this subject. This is specifically about someone voicing concerns about a particular advertiser running ads here. Lets keep it that way shall we?

Personally I may not like seeing that banner, but I can understand and respect Rich's decision as well.......
 
Speaking of Bobby Pruett.....guess who has a crumbier reputation on this site? You guessed right......Devenomized.
 
Chris, you're ranting about voids and the topic is THIS particular advertisement. It's not about voids, it's about what types of ads will be allowed here. By your logic then Rich should have no problems adveritsing porn and credit reporting agencies and all that crap that's everywhere else.

THIS thread is about opinions on WHY this particular advertisement is HERE on this site, NOT about the good and bad regaurding voids.
 
This particular advertisement is advertising what? A site dedicated to information and care of venomoid animals. And since the vast majority of members here disklike voids, and this Christian guy in particular the ad should not be allowed to run?

Is this to be my understanding of the matter at hand?

Yes, the vast majority of us are disgusted by seeing this ad run, myself included!

But guess what?

I'd rather see a new keeper set on making a void purchase have access to information regarding them prior to such an acquisition rather them purchase said animal on a whim without prior knowledge.... and you know this happens with voids. Keep this information from them by tearing down ads linking to sites such as this and you'll simply have more CLUELESS void keepers. Granted most are clueless to begin with, but I'd much rather see a void keeper with a bit more knowledge....

For Rich this matter is a touchy one, again where do you draw the line? It's definitely a "on-topic" type advertisement, its not porn or something completely unassociated with the herp world is it? Granted it SHOULD NOT BE ASSOCIATED with the herp world in many of our eyes but we must not let our emotions cloud a rational judgement.

It does not make me proud to be a member on a site where such an advertisement is allowed to run. It could promote new void keepers which is the last thing I would like to see, but it could also educate those who were set on making such a purchase prior to even seeing the advertisement..... Or even educate void keepers who already own such animals and obtained them prior to educating themselves about them.

Don't mind me, its a touchy subject for all of us...... I hate seeing the ad, but I have to agree and respect Rich's choice on this one for various previously mentioned reasons.
 
Chris@TSE said:
Don't mind me, its a touchy subject for all of us...... I hate seeing the ad, but I have to agree and respect Rich's choice on this one for various previously mentioned reasons.

And for those very various reasons I must disagree. There is far more than just a bit of info out there on voids.

This guy, while I personally find him closely akin to the scum in particularly fetid water, I have nothing personal against.

While emotion may be a deciding factor in some, for me it isn't. I don't like what he supports. I don't like the people he supports. I don't like the way he supports them. THIS guy is one of the bad guys as are THOSE he supports. THIS is not in question.

Whom we associate with, from whence comes our cash, says a great deal about what kind of person we are. Well, the we is perhaps a bit much but I suspect you get my drift well enough.
 
See I did not bother reading much of what this person has posted here simply because I do not wish to see anything he says........ Had I done so I would probably be agreeing with you. I'm simply basing my opinion on the topic and subject matter, not the person. Just thought I'd clear that up so my opinion "made a bit more sense" lol :)
 
Chris@TSE said:
See I did not bother reading much of what this person has posted here simply because I do not wish to see anything he says........ Had I done so I would probably be agreeing with you. I'm simply basing my opinion on the topic and subject matter, not the person. Just thought I'd clear that up so my opinion "made a bit more sense" lol :)
Chris,

I suggest that you click on the banner the next time that you see it and see who he supports as dealers in venomoids. You will see some names that may make you think twice about your position.

Rich used the term "slippery slope" when he and I communicated privately about this matter shortly before this thread was started. I respect that he feels that denying reyna advertising space could very well be the beginning of just such a thing. Some risks are worth taking. Rich has decided not to take that risk. That is entirely his choice. I just happen to disagree with his decision.
 
Since this apparently did not sink in to some people, let me repeat it:
WebSlave said:
Once I start applying my own person bias on allowing banner ads (or classified ads, for that matter), where do I stop? What criteria do I use to pick and choose which advertisers I consider "worthy" or "not worthy" of advertising here? Do I disallow competing websites? Do I disallow ads by people competing with my own reptile business? Do I block ads from people who may have a questionable reputation? Do I block advertising from people I just don't like personally? Once I put my foot on that slippery slope, where will I end up once I start sliding down the hill?

If 10 people think I should remove an ad, is that enough? Or should 20 be required? And what criteria should I use in choosing who can make that sort of decision? Run a poll for each and every advertiser?

Sorry, but no. I set up the FaunaAds site to be pretty much self service, and I intend on keeping it that way. Unless something is pretty much universally accepted as being offensive to the general public (porn sites, etc.) then I am not going to do anything at all about it.

And to be honest, I would prefer for the most part that people just make their own decisions about what they do or do not do. So if you see an ad that you find offensive, just don't click on it. If the advertiser is not getting any hits, they will soon quit the advertising anyway. If they do get the hits, well then, what is that telling you?

You are perfectly welcome to disagree with my opinion, but quite frankly NO ONE has presented a logical argument that was anything other then "I don't like this person or what he stands for". I am sure there are other people here that some people would feel the same way about. And there are people here that would feel the same way about one or more persons posting on this very thread. Sorry, but my intention is to be fair and impartial in as many ways as possible in how this site is run. That certainly has to include my not jumping on any bandwagon (or lynch mob, if you prefer) about some issues that are hot topics in their eyes. Some of you are requesting that I be a judge in this issue and decide the worthiness of someone running advertising here. I believe you can go all the way back to day one of the BOI and make note of my statement that I will NOT take up the gavel and act in such a manner. This has not changed, and is not likely to change within my lifetime. I fully expect everyone to make their own decisions about such things without my making proclamations of the sort that someone is not worthy of being here based on some criteria of the moment that some people, even a majority, may deem as relevant.

cthulhu77 said:
I fail to see how we went off topic (and I received more points, yawn) in discussing the fact that we don't like venomoids, and don't feel they should be advertised here.
Is $$$$ really that much of a king to you ?

bums me out, to no end !!!

greg

Here's a clue, Greg: When you are viewing your own warning points, click on the link that says "View Post" and it will display the post the warning point(s) apply to. Go ahead and tell me THAT post was not off topic within the thread you posted it in, please.
 
I will say I was disappointed to see the ad also, but I respect Rich's choice to allow it.

The sad thing is, however, that even though Reina has stopped "trolling" (for the moment anyway) he's still getting his much desired attention with this thread.
 
"but quite frankly NO ONE has presented a logical argument that was anything other then "I don't like this person or what he stands for". "

Hmmm. It would appear to me that the argument would be that I happen to feel that elective surgery on hapless animals to protect the imbecilic would be considered wrong...by most animal keepers.

But then, I don't have a clue, do I ?

greg
 
cthulhu77 said:
"but quite frankly NO ONE has presented a logical argument that was anything other then "I don't like this person or what he stands for". "

Hmmm. It would appear to me that the argument would be that I happen to feel that elective surgery on hapless animals to protect the imbecilic would be considered wrong...by most animal keepers.

But then, I don't have a clue, do I ?

greg

Please stay on topic!..lol..this isn't about how wrong venomoids is for our hobby.....It's about making the right decisions based on one's own morals and ethics.......Maybe Webslave should apply his own personal bias when making decisions who advertises here....unless he already is and doesn't see anything wrong with venomoids. I for one wouldn't have a problem if he didn't allow people like Christian to advertise the irresponsible act of venomoid surgery.....I have a feeling alot more folks wouldn't hold it against him but I guess that wouldn't be the "right thing" to do....

man....this thread shouldn't even be here...........
 
Most think it was a bad moral decision to allow the ad. But On one hand its money earned threw advertising. On the other hand it offends some paying members to the site. So keeping or renewing the ad a good or bad business decision?

Also this some what apply's to the topic . I have seen a lot of ads for fire arms. Now me personally I have no problem with it. But I know a few people who were turned off by it . So much that they don't really want to do business here because of it. Just wondering everyone's opinions on that. I don't think it was a big enough issue to open a thread.
 
To be honest....I kind of feel that firearms should be advertised somewhere else too.....but isn't that site Rich's too? What do firearms have to do with reptiles???? I have nothing against guns as my Grandfather was a very well known gunsmith but Rich might as well allow the advertising of porn....

This whole thread is really kind dead.....

Rich has made his decision and I can gripe and moan about it but I know it won't do any good except get people pissed off....including myself....
 
Bthacker said:
Please stay on topic!..lol..this isn't about how wrong venomoids is for our hobby.....It's about making the right decisions based on one's own morals and ethics.......Maybe Webslave should apply his own personal bias when making decisions who advertises here....unless he already is and doesn't see anything wrong with venomoids. I for one wouldn't have a problem if he didn't allow people like Christian to advertise the irresponsible act of venomoid surgery.....I have a feeling alot more folks wouldn't hold it against him but I guess that wouldn't be the "right thing" to do....

man....this thread shouldn't even be here...........

OK, I will try to be fair about this. Prove to me that this is such a hot issue to the majority of the people here and not just a handful that this is a major hot button with. At the moment there are over 23,000 registered members on this site. Show me that even a significant fraction of the people registered here feel the way you do and I will consider it. By "significant" I mean at LEAST 10 percent. Any less then that, sorry, but you just aren't proving the case that this is the deadly hot (no pun intended) issue you make it out to be.
 
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