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Dr. Jay Owens

Just to clarify, because I know some people are having trouble with this, once one earns a degree, it's theirs for life. Just as an AA, BA, MS, etc. isn't taken away whether you work in the relative profession or not, neither is an MD (or doctorate in any other subject). While certification and residency (Ie: training hours) are required to work as a full-fledged. licensed, practicing physician, your right to use the title "Dr." starts as soon as you've earned your college degree. And, it doesn't have to be medicine related. One can have a doctorate in anything.

For example, I had a high school teacher that had a doctorate in philosophy and used the title Dr.

Another example; When I took Med. Asst. classes (pharmacology, medical terminology, ethics, etc) in college, one of my instructors was a wonderful woman who had her doctorate in nursing. It felt silly to call a nurse "Dr." but we did. :)

I hope that clears things up for everyone. ;)

I have a question though...What's this BD issue, thing, whatever, "that doesn't exist?" You guys lost me there.
 
JuliusSqueezer said:
and closed minded for not agreeing with him that BD does not exist. It exists and I'm by far not the only person in this hobby that has seen and dealt with it. Closed minded goes both ways Jay. How about you open your eyes?
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Brett,
As I said on the BCF, please point out one single place where I have EVER said that BD doesn't exist. I can assure you that I have never said that. Once again you have lied.

Even though you don't appear to actually read what I have said on the subject, I'll state my position for everyone else:
Burmese Disease exists.

There I said it. Now, let me say this...
No one knows what causes it or why it develops. Consequently, when Brett espouses all of his "information" about the disease (which he does quite adamantly), what causes it, how it's transmitted, etc. he is either 1) making it up, or 2) stating his opinions as facts. You be the judge.

All I have asked Brett to do is to present the evidence about BD that will support the "facts" (i.e. his opinions) as he presents them. I have done nothing more, and nothing less. However, he has yet to do so.

I only say that to refute his previous statement as the real topic of this thread is Brett's and Ed's attempt to somehow "discredit me."

As for the rest of your post...it's not even worth my time to respond to it. You can say whatever you like, but the bottom line is this...I am a doctor (x2) and I have never claimed to be something I am not. This entire thread (as the one on the BCF) is nothing more than two people behaving as trolls in an effort to give someone (me) a hard time.
 
IBD?

I have a question though...What's this BD issue, thing, whatever, "that doesn't exist?" You guys lost me there.
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It refers to IBD (Inclusion Body Disease), a lethal condition in boids that JuliusSqueezer touts himself an expert on. However, being a research scientist myself at one of the most prestigious medical schools in the country - I'm assured that he hasn't the intellectual capacity to carry out the complexities of proper scientific research, the education to understand it, nor the funding and resources it would take to come to a competent conclusion. He simply swirls his fact deficiency’s, poor scientific understanding, and monstrous ego into “conclusions".


Just to clarify, because I know some people are having trouble with this, once one earns a degree, it's theirs for life. Just as an AA, BA, MS, etc. isn't taken away whether you work in the relative profession or not, neither is an MD (or doctorate in any other subject). While certification and residency (Ie: training hours) are required to work as a full-fledged. licensed, practicing physician, your right to use the title "Dr." starts as soon as you've earned your college degree. And, it doesn't have to be medicine related. One can have a doctorate in anything.
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Now there's an informed statement. Ed & Brett, make certain to read this comment over and over again until it sinks in that what you suppose is not only wrong, but to continue to do so is slanderous and make you a simpleton liar to the entire public.

Randy May
 
Sybella said:
Just to clarify, because I know some people are having trouble with this, once one earns a degree, it's theirs for life. Just as an AA, BA, MS, etc. isn't taken away whether you work in the relative profession or not, neither is an MD (or doctorate in any other subject). While certification and residency (Ie: training hours) are required to work as a full-fledged. licensed, practicing physician, your right to use the title "Dr." starts as soon as you've earned your college degree. And, it doesn't have to be medicine related. One can have a doctorate in anything.
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Sybella,
You are correct, but please allow me to add a few points of clarification. Once someone graduates from medical school, they have 2 major obstacles to overcome in order to become a licensed physician. First, they have to pass part 3 of the National Boards, which I did in December 2001. Second, they have to complete their first year of residency (i.e. their internship year), which I completed in June 2002.

Once those two things are done, it is simply a matter of turning in your license application in order to obtain a permanent medical license from the state board. For the record, these applications are freaky huge and they delve into every little detail of your life before a license is ever issued. This investigation is done to make sure that a medical license is never given to someone who has ever been convicted of a felony, or someone who might have mental health issues, or has substance abuse problems.

Anyway, the only reason that I don't carry a medical license right now is simple...I haven't been practicing, and I've already explained why. Since I am currently going through the licensing process in both Kansas and Missouri, it is actually kind of funny that these guys decided to "go on their little crusade" now. If they had tried to do this a few weeks from now (assuming that the board doesn't drag their feet), they would have found my license information when they did their search.

So...there's a little faq on the process of medical licensure. Maybe someone will learn something from it. ;) :)
 
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:) Thank you, Randy. I know what IBD is, but BD is different...is it not? I think I just saw that Jay wrote "Burmese Disease." What is this?
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What Brett is actually refering to is "Burmese Disease." I think (hope) that most people are familiar with IBD (even though there are huge misconceptions about it throughout the industry). Burmese Disease is a condition or a series of symptoms that have been seen in Burmese pythons in captivity (I am not aware if anyone has ever looked for it in WC populations). It is characterized by (basically) chronic respiratory problems that are very difficult to treat (if they are even treatable) that will ultimately result in the death of the animal.

The issue here is not whether or not BD exists. The problem that I have had with Brett's statements about BD is the broad sweeping statements that he has made that are not backed up by any sort of evidence. He has some very strong opinions on the subject, and that is fine. However, those opinions should be presented for what they are...opinions. They should not be presented as facts (which is most usually the case). I have asked Brett (on the BCF) to present some evidence to support his claims, but he has yet to do so.

Now...let's not get into a debate about BD here. This isn't the topic at hand.
 
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Sybella,
You are correct, but please allow me to add a few points of clarification. Once someone graduates from medical school, they have 2 major obstacles to overcome in order to become a licensed physician. First, they have to pass part 3 of the National Boards, which I did in December 2001. Second, they have to complete their first year of residency (i.e. their internship year), which I completed in June 2002.
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LOL!! I thought I covered that when I said, "While certification and residency (Ie: training hours) are required to work as a full-fledged, licensed, practicing physician," ...unless you can get your certification without passing the board exams? I didn't think that was possible.

Thanks for adding to this...this has gotten interesting now. :)
 
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...unless you can get your certification without passing the board exams? I didn't think that was possible.
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No, it's not. As I said before, two things are required for full licensure...

1) Passing all three parts of the national board. (You have to pass parts one and two before you can even sit for part 3.)

2) One year of post-graduate training (the internship year).

If one or the other is not completed, then you're SOL. ;)
 
Sybella said:
Then I did cover it. Now I'm confused...what did I say that was wrong?
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Absolutely nothing. I was just expanding on and clarifying the points that you had brought up. Nothing you said was "wrong." :)
 
What Brett is actually refering to is "Burmese Disease." I think (hope) that most people are familiar with IBD (even though there are huge misconceptions about it throughout the industry). Burmese Disease is a condition or a series of symptoms that have been seen in Burmese pythons in captivity (I am not aware if anyone has ever looked for it in WC populations). It is characterized by (basically) chronic respiratory problems that are very difficult to treat (if they are even treatable) that will ultimately result in the death of the animal.
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My bad, but what I stated about his ability to comment on the subject still applies (reguardless of the syndrome or specific disease).

:)

Randy May
 
Just fyi, I've been to Jay's house dozens of times and I've seen all of his degrees and licenses, etc. on the wall in his office.

Another FYI - I'm a moderator at the BC forums and ReticEd aka Julius Squeezer has been nothing but a pain in the ass over there for the last couple years.
 
Interesting how when I post on redtailboa.net that I am resigning from their site due to the systematic campaign of libel and defamation set forth by two of the admins, the post is deleted post haste.

Now, I generally thought rtb was a good site, but the PeTA-esque tactics of Brrett and the outright libel from Eddie have left a bad taste in my mouth. Couple that with the aforementioned deletion, and it seems to paint a very unflattering picture indeed.
 
Stupidity should be outlawed.
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It is, but the prison system is too full already.

It would be better if they could isolate the "stupid" gene and breed it out of the human race. Of course allot of culling would be necessary. :uzi:
 
It is nice to see that the BOI works for the good guy. I still can not believe that someone would go as low as this just to cause trouble for a good guy.

But as they see it is not working. Jay has kept his cool this whole time.

These people need to find something else to do. cause they are looking like fools here.
 
I can't understand all the personal attacks lately. What is more out there is one against Dr. Jay Owens. Yes I said Doctor. From what I know about Jay is he is a super good guy. He is fair and I don't ever recall anyone ever saying they were ripped off by him.

In reading this post I am more than impressed how Jay has kept an even temper about him. Personally if it was me ears would still be burning and certain peoples deepest darkest secrets would have been found out and posted for all to see. Jay kudo's to you. Maybe one day I will be able to keep things in prespective and hold my temper as you have in this matter..
 
I feel that any enforcement is a joke when you have a likely fraud as a moderator.
One that claims to be a physician, yet no state checked, has a current or an expired license showing in their records.

Which means he is either lying about being a physician or is not supplying his real name on the BOI.

Maybe some deeper digging needs to be done on that person.
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If he graduated from med school. then he is a doctor.


His name is not what is at debate here Jason..
Its what he has in his profile.

Full Name Dr Jay Owens
Location Kansas City
Interests
Occupation Physician

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His name is Jay Owens..........nothing wrong there.
Nothing wrong with being from Kansas City
Nothing wrong with having blank as your interest.
and nothing wrong with his occupation being a physician.

My sister would probably put the same thing on her profiles if she were to go to forums.

She has graduated med school and is currently doing her residency in New York or New Jersey.......(I forget which New it was)

Yes she gives medical advice. She has to. She is a resident and she sees patients.

She also visited my Aunt's office and saw some of her patients.
I believe that who ever she saw was reviewed by my aunt.
The kids loved her and so did the parents.
She is called Doctor. Everyone calls her Doctor. Her wedding invitation and announcements say Doctor.

her husband graduated the same time she did. He is in exactly the same situation she is in. Except he is internal medicin and not pediatrics. he also did a rotation with someone from his family (forget who). He is up there with her doing his residency in one of those "New" States.

To me and my family she will always be Jo-an and he will always be Charles. To everyone (her fellow residents doctors and nurses) she will be Doctor.

Oh yeah, she also scrubbed in to a couple of my uncle's operations he had to perform. he introduced her as Doctor as well.

So yes I can see why Jay is called Doctor.


and also PHd are also called doctor.

MD= Medical DOCTOR
DO= DOCTOR of Osteopathy
Phd = also called Doctors


What was my point? ..........Oh yeah. Once medical school is completed....you get the tittle Doctor...either MD or DO

Same exact thing for the lawyer degrees.
Once you get your Juris Doctorate Degree...............you are called a lawyer wether you have interened in a facility or not. You are called a lawyer wether you have passed your bars or not.
 
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