Dr. Jay Owens

[ldydrgn]

AAARRGGHHH!!!

What really burns MY A$$ is the fact that not long ago I WAS ACCUSED OF WANTING POWER!! I was accused of wanting to take over the site. I was accused of a lot more, too... grrr

I was given admin rights to help keep things straightened up.. moving posts, threads, editing profanity. Other admins were tired of me telling them what needed to be done so they said "Here, do it yourself!" and gave me the rights. I was also accused of moving in with Donnie because he was the "only single male admin on the site" Right.. like it carries any power in the Real World, LMMFAO!! I have no want for power.... It isn't me. (trust me on this) I got NO sleep night before last because of this. When Shane finally removed everyone from admin status I said: Good..I can take a nap now!

Now, on to the funny bits: The two people that cry the most about others just wanting to be admin for power are the ones pulling all of this crap! I guess it means a lot more to them than anyone else.

Eddie and Brett: What is up with you two? You were well respected and we all thought you were our friends. You have betrayed EVERYONE for own childish entertainment.

GROW UP!!

Kara, Jay... I am SO sorry about everything that has been happening. Shane WILL get this taken care of. He is working diligently to solve the problems.

 

[ldydrgn]

I am going to state for the record that we don't know yet for sure who it is, but Brett is the most likely suspect at this point. Investigations are being done.

what a pain.... sorry everyone

 

[JungleHabitats]

Well obviously there still hacking posts

i had posted three post this morning....

one i posted in the caging forum of my new cage
and two classifieds in the caging sections of my new cages one was pricelists for them and the other was the information for them...

Hello JungleHabitats, this is the new ad you placed at Redtailboa.net - Your one stop reptile community!

Category: Reptile Supplies :: Cages

Alan,
You could have gotten your point across without turning this post into an advertisement for your cages. There is a time and a place to advertise and this is not it.

Regards,
Redtailboa.net - Your one stop reptile community

I wont post the other proofs to not take up room anymore ... but seems like someone is playing favorites on whos companies advertises cages for sale. I will also expect to have my account removed once I make a post as to who/why someone removed my ads and why they were removed its a shame and i would strongly suggest doing some SERIOUS house cleaning there with people who play the favorites game or simply remove ads for there or there friends needs... what a crying shame
Alan

 

[JungleHabitats]

My apologies to the mod who had to fix this

I truely didnt mean it to be seen as a advertisement for my buisness but to show that it was a ad placed my sincere apologies for the inconveince it caused in your time to edit the post .
Alan

 

[natas]

Re: Well obviously there still hacking posts

i had posted three post this morning....

one i posted in the caging forum of my new cage
and two classifieds in the caging sections of my new cages one was pricelists for them and the other was the information for them...

Hello JungleHabitats, this is the new ad you placed at Redtailboa.net - Your one stop reptile community!

Category: Reptile Supplies :: Cages

Alan,
You could have gotten your point across without turning this post into an advertisement for your cages. There is a time and a place to advertise and this is not it.

Regards,
Redtailboa.net - Your one stop reptile community

I wont post the other proofs to not take up room anymore ... but seems like someone is playing favorites on whos companies advertises cages for sale. I will also expect to have my account removed once I make a post as to who/why someone removed my ads and why they were removed its a shame and i would strongly suggest doing some SERIOUS house cleaning there with people who play the favorites game or simply remove ads for there or there friends needs... what a crying shame
Alan

???

Shoot me a email ([email protected]) with a better explanation of what you are saying. I read the above and cannot make any sense of it...maybe its just how I am reading it?

Anyway for the record our classifieds are free and we do not discreminate at all (is that how you spell it? lol). Also we are a site are not playing favorites with companies in no way.

Also one last thing. I had to do a restore early today so if you posted something and its gone keep that in mind ok.

Also no one is going to delete your account unless you consistently break the rules. And the only rules we really have are no personal attacks or bad language.

 

[natas]

I meant to say "we as a site, are not playing favorites with companies in no way."

 

[Dr Owens]

Re: Re: Well obviously there still hacking posts

I read the above and cannot make any sense of it...maybe its just how I am reading it?

It's not just you. I'm still not entirely sure what the point was...

 

[Sybella]

I thought he was trying to say that someone edited his post, removing most of it and telling him that he wasn't supposed to advertise there. But yes...it is very unclear.

 

[ldydrgn]

Considering the source as well as the direction this is going... shouldn't this thread be moved to "Web Watch & Cult Headquarters"

Just a thought.

 

[savannah_babe]

well, i would like to thank those of you who are understanding our situation at redtailboa.net. i am a frequent member there as well. but to be quite honest, i didnt know it had even spread over here until recently. im very sorry. yes, shane (natas) has had to fix, and apologize for quite a bit lately, and has been quite busy fixing problems. so somethings, like other account deletions, or other things he might not be aware of. as of this moment, he has a lot on his plate. if something happens, you just need to let him know. as well as the other admins of redtailboa.net. you are always gonna have those one or two people who tend to take things personally. i knew brett personally, and to be honest, he isnt that bad of a person. (on my part, and im not taking sides by far). however, after doing the reading i can say i do not agree on what was happening. the admin and mods of rtb are trying desperatly to keep things clean, and are trying their best to fix the broken right
now. i as well as everyone else over at redtailboa.net appreciate your patience regarding what has happend.

Kelly

 

[WebSlave]

Considering the source as well as the direction this is going... shouldn't this thread be moved to "Web Watch & Cult Headquarters"

Well, this sort of thing happens quite frequently here. Although the later part of this thread most certainly should be over in the Web Watch forum, the earlier part should not. Matter of fact, the first few messages in this thread were extracted from yet another thread here on the BOI where it was leading off on an off topic tangent.

Sometimes, trying to get people to draw between the lines is far more work than the results would make worthwhile doing. Especially when there is a gradual evolution to the thread going off topic like this one did.

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

How am I the "LIKELY" suspect?

I am truely flattered at the respect given to my hacking skills. But I can assure you all that I have none nor the desire to hack RTB or any other site for that matter. My account at RTB has not had administrative power for a few days now. I haven't changed my shortcut in the favorites folder and it still lets me load the site at http://www.redtailboa.net/admin.php but there are no admin tools or access there. I have not been to any other admin's house or place of business since well before this started. And I do NOT have any admin friends pulling pranks nor do I have any knowledge of any of this crap going on till after the fact like most everyone else. I have NO ACCESS to do the things to RTB I'm being accused of nor do I wish anything bad to happen there. I have been spending the past few days just chatting and posting as normal trying to stay well away from the drama that has been taking place. I have a theory or two myself. but it's just theory. I have no way to prove anything other than my whereabouts at any given time. But nevermind what I can and cannot do at RTB. Why would I? RTB is my home and I have no beef with any one there enough to try and damage it. I am fully aware that even if I could that since shane has the server at his house that surely he can tell who is doing what...maybe? I really don't know anything about code and very little about PHP or even HTML. I am doomed to forever using Front Page But I don't want to leave the site or be run out. These people are like family to me. I just want all this crap to go away and stop. I seemed to have angered some people that are close friends to some of RTB's other admins and because of that a Lynching has obviously begun. A lot of weird things going on there that are just impossible to have happened from here. Yet, I am the likely suspect? Ironic because I highly doubt anyone is more pissed about these things going on than I am with exception to maybe Shane since this is all his baby.

I would also like to take the time to apologize to all at the BC Forums who I offended. I clicked on a link from our site posted by one of RTB's members pointing out some RTB bashing going on there and also found a few shots at me personally from Dr Owens. I'm human. This set me off. I got mad. So before addressing these statements, I decided to poke around a bit to see who exactly I was dealing with then got side tracked with the whole doctor/physician license thing and never even got to address what I really wanted to discuss lol... It's rather hard for anyone to keep anything straight and civil when a mob is bashing personal physical threats and twisting every single thing you say into something totally different. And maybe a few things I did say were from anger but I didn't just get that way for fun so I won't take all the blame for everything. We have 2 entirely different types of sites with 2 entirely different perspectives and we are both fairly set in our ways and ethical/moral stands. I think I can learn to live with that at least till Fluffy eats Bob [please pardon my feeble attempt to lighten this situation with the fluffy joke" I really don't won't Fluffy to eat Bob. That would be a bad thing for us all.]

 

[JeffMarjama]

This thread is still going on?

 

[Dr Owens]

So before addressing these statements, I decided to poke around a bit to see who exactly I was dealing with then got side tracked with the whole doctor/physician license thing and never even got to address what I really wanted to discuss lol... It's rather hard for anyone to keep anything straight and civil when a mob is bashing personal physical threats and twisting every single thing you say into something totally different. And maybe a few things I did say were from anger but I didn't just get that way for fun so I won't take all the blame for everything.

Brett,
Please don't attempt to portray yourself as a victim because that's more than just a little bit pathetic...in fact, it's insulting. The bottom line is this: you and Eddie attempted to unjustly discredit and defame me on both the BCF and the BOI. You called me a liar and a criminal when in reality it was you that was lying. Additionally, you continued with your personal attacks well after I had refuted your allegations. In fact, you went so far as to insult the fact that I have taken a break from my career in order to spend time with my father while he is battling a terminal disease. Your behavior was absolutely deplorable...yet you have the audacity to actually say, "I won't take all the blame for everything"?

Personally I find it very sad when a person can't take responsibility for their own actions, but rather attempt to displace the responsibility for their mis-doings onto others.

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

Dr Owens, after deleting the post where I simply ASKED if you were really a doctor, you finally showed evidence later that you passed med school so...You are a Doctor. You do not hold a license to practice medicine though and you list yourself as a physician in all of your profiles. Physician by definition is any Doctor authorized by LICENSE to practice medicine. I could not find any record of any license in public record either past or present so I asked. I was concerned because you are known from time to time to dole out medical advice as a PHYSICIAN, on at least 2 occasions way back when, to me. so I was concerned and asked. I had a right to. That's why such licenses are of public record.

Furthermore, the question I asked about your father has been twisted completely out of context. I would post a link to the comment but it and many other now twisted comments were conveniently deleted from BC forums. I did not know the depth of your father's illness and when you said you let your temporary resident training license expire so you could care for your ill father, I simply asked "wouldn't you be able to serve him better with a valid license to practice medicine" I'm sorry this offended you....I was told later that it was twisted into "If you are a doctor why is your dad sick?" see how things get twisted? I never said any such thing.

I didn't want to even bring this up, but what set me off besides all the remarks you and a few others but mainly you, Dr Owens made about RTB.net was the remark you made which I notice too has been deleted from your site now where you called me a "little man" but made a note that that was not meant as a physical description and then you went on to say that I don't know the meaning of excercise. Now then...yah I know "sticks and stones" but it struck me as odd that a medical doctor would judge and poke fun of someone for their physical stature without knowing the medical facts. I have a life threatening food allergy called excercise induced anaphyalxis. It is totally unavoidable and every time I eat anything I have to pretty much stay immobile for 4 or more hours until the symptoms subside...else I end up in an ER somewhere in anaphylactic shock. To complicate this, I am diabetic so skipping meals is not an option. I am under orders from my PHYSICIAN to limit excercise and activity. Try watching your weight under these circumstances. So yah...I'm a big dude. But I'm alive. Right now that's the best I can do with myself.

Now then..I appologized in public on the BC forum for even mentioning the situation about your father when I had no idea what the circumstances really were. I can see how this would upset you and I am truely sorry I ever brought it up although I was in NO WAY making fun or criticising you for that decision. At the same time, I hope you can at least see how your comments may have set me off. I don't think the oath you took was called the hypocrite oath. Or maybe it was? hard to tell.

 

[Dr Owens]

I cannot believe that I am even having this "discussion."

Dr Owens, after deleting the post where I simply ASKED if you were really a doctor, you finally showed evidence later that you passed med school so...You are a Doctor. You do not hold a license to practice medicine though and you list yourself as a physician in all of your profiles. Physician by definition is any Doctor authorized by LICENSE to practice medicine. I could not find any record of any license in public record either past or present so I asked.

The term "physician" distinguishes between "doctors of medicine" and all other doctors (i.e. PhD, DC, DVM, DDS, DMD, OD, DPM, etc.). I'm sorry that this is so difficult for you to understand.

I was concerned because you are known from time to time to dole out medical advice as a PHYSICIAN, on at least 2 occasions way back when, to me. so I was concerned and asked. I had a right to. That's why such licenses are of public record.

Providing general medical advice is not the same as practicing medicine. I have not treated a patient since I left my residency. Incidentally, any medical advice that I gave you was given when I was licensed.

You are not concerned. You are merely attempting to reitterate your previous unfounded attacks. Your motives are transparent...and pathetic.

Furthermore, the question I asked about your father has been twisted completely out of context. I would post a link to the comment but it and many other now twisted comments were conveniently deleted from BC forums. I did not know the depth of your father's illness and when you said you let your temporary resident training license expire so you could care for your ill father, I simply asked "wouldn't you be able to serve him better with a valid license to practice medicine" I'm sorry this offended you....I was told later that it was twisted into "If you are a doctor why is your dad sick?" see how things get twisted? I never said any such thing.

I don't know who twisted your words in that manner. It was certainly not me. However, to say that you "did not know" the depths of my father's illness is a bold faced lie. In the first post that I made in response to your accusation I said, "I haven't practiced medicine for exactly 1 year now because I chose to take a leave of absence while I am tending to my father who is dying of cancer." You knew exactly what my father's situation was, yet you decided to be mocking about it. ANYONE would be offended by such insensitivity.

I didn't want to even bring this up, but what set me off besides all the remarks you and a few others but mainly you, Dr Owens made about RTB.net was the remark you made which I notice too has been deleted from your site now where you called me a "little man" but made a note that that was not meant as a physical description and then you went on to say that I don't know the meaning of excercise.

Actually, what I was questioning was your apparent lack of self esteem. I have never understood your need to frequently bad mouth people like Bob Clark or companies like NERD simply because you don't agree with some of their practices. People with low self esteem often compensate for it by trying to run other people down in order to try to make themselves feel more important. Since you do this so often, it is a logical conclusion.

Now then..I appologized in public on the BC forum for even mentioning the situation about your father when I had no idea what the circumstances really were.

As I said before...you knew exactly what my situation was with my father. Please see my previous post in which I referenced people who can't take responsibility for their own actions. "Revising history" in an attempt to place yourself in a better light is really nothing more than lying.

I can see how this would upset you and I am truely sorry I ever brought it up although I was in NO WAY making fun or criticising you for that decision. At the same time, I hope you can at least see how your comments may have set me off. I don't think the oath you took was called the hypocrite oath. Or maybe it was? hard to tell.

That's really nice Brett...offer an apology (of sorts) and then follow it up with an insult. Your character (or lack thereof) shows more and more with each post.

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

Interesting diagnosis of self esteem issues. Are you a psychologist too? Or are you speaking from your own experience. Please note that you are at least as guilty of mudslinging as anyone else involved. Whatever I said that may have been offensive was still done so without resorting to childish name calling. BTW what exactly is an "a$$hat"? You called me that behind my back long before any of this current crap started and to be honest, I like the sound of it but I have no idea what it means.

It is evident that you wish to remain angry and continue to grind the axe. I have better things to do than to be bothered so unless you really really need me to answer to something really really important, I'm through with this whole issue.

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

Oh wait! No I'm not. One more thing:

*** Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) ***
Physician \Phy*si"cian\, n. [OE. fisician, fisicien, OF.
physucien, a physician, in F., a natural philosopher, an
experimentalist in physics. See {Physic}.]
1. A person skilled in physic, or the art of healing; one
duty authorized to prescribe remedies for, and treat,
diseases;

** WordNet (r) 2.0 ***
physician
n : a licensed medical practitioner;

You are neither authorized nor licensed to practice medicine. You are not a physician.

Ok...NOW I'm through.

 

[Dr Owens]

Interesting diagnosis of self esteem issues. Are you a psychologist too?

Actually, I have a good deal of training in both psychology and psychiatry.

Or are you speaking from your own experience.

Not at all.

Please note that you are at least as guilty of mudslinging as anyone else involved.

If defending my honor when it's attacked is "mudslinging," then I guess I "slung mud." You might also be refering to the post in which I said "the asshats are at it again." When I made that statement I was refering to the "Bob Clark" bashers on RTB.net.

It is evident that you wish to remain angry and continue to grind the axe.

Really? It was you that brought the topic back up. I simply responded to your lies and half truths.

I have better things to do than to be bothered so unless you really really need me to answer to something really really important, I'm through with this whole issue.

As I said...you were the one that brought this back up. You are also the one that created this whole situation in the first place.

Once again I will reitterate, please go back and read my post about people being unable to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Gary O]

JAY SLINGING MUD?????

How in the world could anyone say this? I see Jay keeping his cool during all this while most(me included) would have blown up by now.

Due props to Dr Owens! More people should handle things as Dr Owens has handled this.