Bad Guy DTS Herps

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Suncoast, hey I heard about you from my friends and they speak very badly about you. In any event, we can discuss your opinions at the Tampa show. In any event loud mouth, show one instance of any blither that was a legitimate complaint and you get a cookie. You are quick with insults but cannot stand behind your charges. You are the sissy of sissy marys and heard you ran away for a long time as you were caught in a scam. LOL.

No thanks Dan

You have been making that same offer for years. Someone then proves you wrong and your response is some variation of you regurgitating a bunch of bizarre statements and claiming victory. It is pointless. You have been proven wrong so many times in all of the "Bad Guy" threads on you it is ridiculous. In your own megalomaniacal mind, you simply can't admit the possibility that you are wrong. Medication would probably help that particular affliction.

Nice try on the deflection strategy. Two reasons it won't work:

I heard about you from my friends and they speak very badly about you

Get real Dan. You have no friends

heard you ran away for a long time as you were caught in a scam.

If this were true you would be pouring out the details. Please share Dan. If I am a scammer, I should definitely be outed. Won't happen though since you are simply spewing your usual stream of disjointed verbal diarhea.

That said, I am nauseous to find I am leaning the same way as Harald on this one. Congratulations. One of the many claims against you might actually not be your fault. Hard to believe but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

By the way, the Tampa Show was a week ago. It;s good that you stay current with the industry you are the self proclaimed King of.

 

[hhmoore]

Dan - I hope you feel better after all that...
Apparently, you mistook "rarely follow" to mean "I haven't got a clue", which is hardly the case. There have been a couple of threads that I followed pretty closely, at least til they started winding down. It doesn't really matter whether my interest was personal, professional, or as a moderator of this site - I've seen enough of your behavior to form an opinion...and that opinion has cost you business, as I've seen you advertise some things I was interested in. I suspect that I'm not the only one.
You may have proven to yourself that everybody has been wrong, and that their claims aren't legitimate, but you are in the minority. Whether you see it in yourself or not, even if it is as intentional as you claim, you are a cyberjerk. You might be a nice guy in person, I'll probably never know. Act like a jerk, people see you as a jerk. If that is the way you want to present yourself, have at it. I have no interest in rifling through your old threads to question the validity of the OP's (or your own) claims. Some of them I forced myself to read at the time...and I have enough self respect not to put myself through that again.

Oh, btw - I've read enough of your threads to see that you have skewed them in your own memory...or you are trying to fool me with your bluster.
Wow, I think my fever broke. I've got to water a few animals, then I'm going to bed. I'm sure there will be plenty to read here when I get up

 

[Roy Munson]

My comments were intentionally designed to be stupid…

Well, you've succeeded spectacularly in this, at least!

And despite I have proven all of the nasty idiots wrong…

In any event loud mouth, show one instance of any blither that was a legitimate complaint and you get a cookie.

Hey genius, the word you're looking for is "blather." I realize that Scam-ese is your first language, and English is second, but please make an effort, Professor.

 

[Kingetula]

I wasn't going to say anything but if this is how Dan is going to be I will share my experience buying from DTS.

As many of you know I collect Venomous snakes. Last year I came across an add at KS for 2 Raddies Viper (Hard to find subspecies) and 2 ammodytes

Dan helped me on shipping charges (He had a friend coming my way who could meet me with the snakes) as some of you know I am real picky about the snakes I buy. So when I got home and checked out my snakes I was anything but impressed. (I don't even think the pictures I was shown were the snakes I got but I can't prove it now)

Besides not having the appearance that I thought I was getting 1 of the 3 snakes was a problem snake. Didn't feed well and very small and ended up kicking the bucket a few months later. The other 3 ate fine and thrived but again a far cry from what I thought I was getting. I sold those probably 4 months later and recently saw 2 of them back on KS for sale. (I even contacted the seller to confirm where he got them from and they were the ones I use to have)

I've stayed silent mostly because DTS may have some thing I want in the future and don't like burning bridges but after 1 1/2 years and seeing his ads from time to time I just can't risk buying from him again. I don’t have a problem with Dan as a person just with the snakes I got from him.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

LOL John, I never had one single bad transaction and had thousands of great ones and some scammer making a bad boy thread starter does not mean the deal was bad and it brings attention and good customers also. Normal and sane folks do not follow or belive the idiotic charges and the twisting of scenarios that you and your fool buddies are professionals at doing. People read both sides of the story and everyone can see the same old idiotic morons posting the bad words and making a guess against a one sided version of events and it's meaningless and fools no one but yourselves. They quickly dismiss such posters like you as being creditable anyway. No one has ever proven anything except my great offers to remedy some folks who tried to scam for more than the deal. And you cannot prove any deal where I did not meet the terms of sale, but you can read where I went beyond and above them for great customer satisfaction. So prove your blither or stick your comments where my foot belongs. If you cannot prove it, then you are as rotten as the person trying to scam for something more than they bought. Regardless, we will meet for sure and until then you can think about what to say to me in person. I want to see if in person your 125 pounds waste of space body will mouth off to me. You will stand tall to face me with your false charges and I bet you run like a big sissy as your friends say you will. I know you have been mouthing off badly about me for years, and you are going to held accountable and responsible for every word. Yea, the people you call your friends are the ones who told me about you. You better watch what you say to your friends as they say stuff behind your back. And hey, with thousands of sales, you gotta expect a few bad apple customers will cross your path. And you support bad apples, then you are rotten to the core yourself. Since you have no idea on what it's like to sell thousands of reptiles annually, you should shut up and stick to pointing your finger in your butt. I never proclaimed to be king of anything except being the first person in line to meet you in person to see you blither these charges.

Roy, how did you know my IQ was 150. Now take your finger out of your butt and put it in your nose as usual.

Harald: Have a good rest. Your guess work on sales is wrong. I don't want to sell to any fool who would believe the garbage spewed by a few scammers and idiot posters who tried to bully for more than the terms of the deal and that is the point of my arguments against these bullies who think they can threaten me into giving them way more then what they paid for. You can call me whatever names that make you feel like a man, but unless you take the challenge to outline any deal that I did not satisfy the customer on the terms of the sale, you better stay asleep as you won't be able to do it. Several fools and idiots tried to twist the facts of the deal to make it shine negative on me but they failed. Once it failed, they tried another strategy to say I was not good to the customers. Well I am great to customers, and hard toward customers who turn into scammers so if my being hard keeps them away, then that is my goal. I gotta run anyway to pack 6 orders, so let me know what snakes you wanted and we can make a deal. Remember I have one of the best guarantees in the business, live arrival and a two week extended guarantee on captive born snakes. Does anyone else have that guarantee? Dream on it.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Scott: What nonsense are you spewing? You were sent photos of the very few specimens I had remaining and you picked out the snakes and were delivered the exact snakes and confirmed that when you got home and said you were very pleased with them and later reported that they all fed eventually for you. Now you come here 2 years later to blither some idiotic nonsense that you are not sure about the snakes you got and one died months later in your care? What a joke. Yea, consider me off your list of people who would sell to a moron.

 

[deborahbroadus]

LOL John, I never had one single bad transaction and had thousands of great ones and some scammer making a bad boy thread starter does not mean the deal was bad and it brings attention and good customers also. Normal and sane folks do not follow or belive the idiotic charges and the twisting of scenarios that you and your fool buddies are professionals at doing. People read both sides of the story and everyone can see the same old idiotic morons posting the bad words and making a guess against a one sided version of events and it's meaningless and fools no one but yourselves. They quickly dismiss such posters like you as being creditable anyway. No one has ever proven anything except my great offers to remedy some folks who tried to scam for more than the deal. And you cannot prove any deal where I did not meet the terms of sale, but you can read where I went beyond and above them for great customer satisfaction. So prove your blither or stick your comments where my foot belongs. If you cannot prove it, then you are as rotten as the person trying to scam for something more than they bought. Regardless, we will meet for sure and until then you can think about what to say to me in person. I want to see if in person your 125 pounds waste of space body will mouth off to me. You will stand tall to face me with your false charges and I bet you run like a big sissy as your friends say you will. I know you have been mouthing off badly about me for years, and you are going to held accountable and responsible for every word. Yea, the people you call your friends are the ones who told me about you. You better watch what you say to your friends as they say stuff behind your back. And hey, with thousands of sales, you gotta expect a few bad apple customers will cross your path. And you support bad apples, then you are rotten to the core yourself. Since you have no idea on what it's like to sell thousands of reptiles annually, you should shut up and stick to pointing your finger in your butt. I never proclaimed to be king of anything except being the first person in line to meet you in person to see you blither these charges.

Roy, how did you know my IQ was 150. Now take your finger out of your butt and put it in your nose as usual.

Harald: Have a good rest. Your guess work on sales is wrong. I don't want to sell to any fool who would believe the garbage spewed by a few scammers and idiot posters who tried to bully for more than the terms of the deal and that is the point of my arguments against these bullies who think they can threaten me into giving them way more then what they paid for. You can call me whatever names that make you feel like a man, but unless you take the challenge to outline any deal that I did not satisfy the customer on the terms of the sale, you better stay asleep as you won't be able to do it. Several fools and idiots tried to twist the facts of the deal to make it shine negative on me but they failed. Once it failed, they tried another strategy to say I was not good to the customers. Well I am great to customers, and hard toward customers who turn into scammers so if my being hard keeps them away, then that is my goal. I gotta run anyway to pack 6 orders, so let me know what snakes you wanted and we can make a deal. Remember I have one of the best guarantees in the business, live arrival and a two week extended guarantee on captive born snakes. Does anyone else have that guarantee? Dream on it.

Dan, It appears to me that you are trying to clutter the accusation with flim-flam so that it will disintegrate into a name-calling bash-fest, to further support your accusation that a few here have a "hard on" for you....(which I, for one, do not see as that being the case).

Please stick to the facts of this case. I see a tracking number (two in fact) but I do not see proof that these tracking numbers are for the animals in question or that they are to the OP.

Can you provide proof/screenshots?

OP, can you provide emails, or tracking numbers, and paypal evidence to support your claim?

I do realize that sometimes using Paypal stumps some of us and we make mistakes. Mistakes can generally be proven and are not scamming attempts. Please lay out your evidence.

Lastely, did you sell the snake to your friend? If you did..it would appear that in that case the snake was fine when it was sold, because as Harald implied it would be unlikely that your friend would pay for it if it already had blisters?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Deb, I am not sure what you are asking there? What is an OP and what screen shots do you mean? And there was no mistake in that Andy filed for 200 dollar claim as he did it. I am also not sure what you are asking if I sold the snake to my friend? I sent the frenata to Andy for free since he was buying 2 more egg eating snakes and in consideration of his report of candoia that passed months later, so he sold the snake to his friend for 300 dollars and his friend allowed it to soak and get blisters and they tried to get me for the 300 dollars. Weird and wild stuff.

 

[Kingetula]

Scott: What nonsense are you spewing? You were sent photos of the very few specimens I had remaining and you picked out the snakes and were delivered the exact snakes and confirmed that when you got home and said you were very pleased with them and later reported that they all fed eventually for you. Now you come here 2 years later to blither some idiotic nonsense that you are not sure about the snakes you got and one died months later in your care? What a joke. Yea, consider me off your list of people who would sell to a moron.

Dan, Yeah it did eat once or twice and also spit it back up. IT WAS A PROBLEM SNAKE THAT I HAD TO WORK WITH and it just didn't make it! Second look at your trader rating (IT WAS A YEAR AGO NOT 2 YEARS AGO!) Unfortunately I jumped the gun leaving that... (Lesson learned, I left it when you told me you would have a friend bring me my snake so there was no shipping charge and I thought I was getting different snakes... I should have waited)

I didn't come here to give you a bad name (you did that yourself it looks like) I was just pointing out my experience with DTS. I pretty much made up my mind I wasn’t going to get burned twice by you and why I have not came back.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

Beth, I am not sure what you mean because I sent him the ground boas in March 2008 and did not hear they died until months later. I am not sure if you're informed of this, but my companies terms are live arrival and 2 week health guarantee on captive born snakes. As such, his entitlement to any consideration months later was void.

The man is simply trying to scam me and attempting to harm my companies business but he know nothing said here will ever do that. Despite he did not heed the advice to feed the baby snake in shed, I offered a free replacement and he goes into paypal for 200 dollars and emails me that I owe him 310 dollars.

A scammer is all. And a nut.

And all I am asking of you is to send the emails to prove it.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Scott, wait a minute here. I got the snakes from germany and showed you the photos and you wanted the one with the stripe and I told you it was going to a zoo and the rest were yours that you picked. And you had the exact photos of the snakes I emailed you to compare with what you received so if you had any question then, then why did you not compare the snakes with the photos in the email? Much less, I think I only had those few remaing snakes so there was nothing else to get them mixed with. You received the same exact snakes you saw in the photos. The fellow who delivered them was a government agent and he was not about to swap his for yours and if you had any doubt, then why not tell me now? BS if you ask me. You got the snakes in the photos and that was that.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Beth, I already posted the emails where he asked for 310 dollars plus 75 dollars and that is the only email I have. I do not have emails from the April shipping but posted the tracking number.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Scott: You received the exact snakes that you picked out in the photographs and your claim of being burned is bogus. Unless you can provide any evidence that the snakes you picked out were not the snakes you received, then you are full of crap. The only thing burned is your creditability as you cannot proclaim garbage without evidence. You never reported to me about any issue with any snake and come here a year later with garbage with no evidence. It is a joke at best.

 

[Kingetula]

Scott, wait a minute here. I got the snakes from germany and showed you the photos and you wanted the one with the stripe and I told you it was going to a zoo and the rest were yours that you picked. And you had the exact photos of the snakes I emailed you to compare with what you received so if you had any question then, then why did you not compare the snakes with the photos in the email? Much less, I think I only had those few remaing snakes so there was nothing else to get them mixed with. You received the same exact snakes you saw in the photos. The fellow who delivered them was a government agent and he was not about to swap his for yours and if you had any doubt, then why not tell me now? BS if you ask me. You got the snakes in the photos and that was that.

You know what Dan. I started to write a reply and argue this some more but it does no good. I can't prove it as I stated in my first post (to much time has gone by) But I also didn't come on here to lie to everyone or burn a bridge. I thought about it before I even wrote one word, (should I do this or not). I wanted to point out my experience with DTS from how I viewed our transaction but everyone knows there are 2 sides to every story and it is the reader to make his own judgment. I don't have a problem with you as a person just the snakes I got. I'm not after your money, a free snake or a discount on future purchase but I am just agreeing with the OP that I have had a snake that I got from you that died too and was crap from the time I got it. As you pointed out I made you aware that it didn't eat and that I finally did get it to eat but that doesn't mean it was healthy or snake that should have been sold.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

LOL John, I never had one single bad transaction and had thousands of great ones and some scammer making a bad boy thread starter does not mean the deal was bad and it brings attention and good customers also. Normal and sane folks do not follow or belive the idiotic charges and the twisting of scenarios that you and your fool buddies are professionals at doing. People read both sides of the story and everyone can see the same old idiotic morons posting the bad words and making a guess against a one sided version of events and it's meaningless and fools no one but yourselves. They quickly dismiss such posters like you as being creditable anyway. No one has ever proven anything except my great offers to remedy some folks who tried to scam for more than the deal. And you cannot prove any deal where I did not meet the terms of sale, but you can read where I went beyond and above them for great customer satisfaction. So prove your blither or stick your comments where my foot belongs. If you cannot prove it, then you are as rotten as the person trying to scam for something more than they bought. Regardless, we will meet for sure and until then you can think about what to say to me in person. I want to see if in person your 125 pounds waste of space body will mouth off to me. You will stand tall to face me with your false charges and I bet you run like a big sissy as your friends say you will. I know you have been mouthing off badly about me for years, and you are going to held accountable and responsible for every word. Yea, the people you call your friends are the ones who told me about you. You better watch what you say to your friends as they say stuff behind your back. And hey, with thousands of sales, you gotta expect a few bad apple customers will cross your path. And you support bad apples, then you are rotten to the core yourself. Since you have no idea on what it's like to sell thousands of reptiles annually, you should shut up and stick to pointing your finger in your butt. I never proclaimed to be king of anything except being the first person in line to meet you in person to see you blither these charges.

Still a legend in your own mind I see. Vague BS threats and amorphous comments about people talking behind my back. Pretty much stock Scumlaro. Everybody is wrong except the almighty Herp King. Anybody who has a problem with him is a scammer. We've heard it all before Dan.

 

[Roy Munson]

Roy, how did you know my IQ was 150. Now take your finger out of your butt and put it in your nose as usual.

Hah! Yes, your genius-level I.Q. is evidenced by the cleverness of your comebacks!

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deb, I am not sure what you are asking there? What is an OP and what screen shots do you mean? And there was no mistake in that Andy filed for 200 dollar claim as he did it. I am also not sure what you are asking if I sold the snake to my friend? I sent the frenata to Andy for free since he was buying 2 more egg eating snakes and in consideration of his report of candoia that passed months later, so he sold the snake to his friend for 300 dollars and his friend allowed it to soak and get blisters and they tried to get me for the 300 dollars. Weird and wild stuff.

OP means original poster..that would be Andy. As for the claim of scamming for money, he said it was a mistake....sigh.

As for him selling the snake to his friend..I haven't seen him admit to that..or did I miss a post (I admit that I have been trying to weed out the extraneous posts)?

 

[LakesideBoas]

Actually, I am done with your scam. You received healthy and happy candoia and a healthy frenata and egg eaters and the frenata is a 300 dollar snake so if you gave it away or sold it to your friend, that is your issue. I do not wish to discuss these matters further as it is my perception that you are trying to take advantage of a good deal and do not call to harass.

Dan

In a message dated 10/2/2008 1:22:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Dan, I don't know where we stand on this. I bought from you thinking you where a reputable dealer and the snakes where in good shape. This hole thing has been a nightmare. If this Frenata dies I will be out 310 plus the 75 on the egg eater. I will not settle for that. Please let me know what we can do about this. I am willing to ship the Frenata back for a refund or try and hold on to it and hope it survives, but if it dosn't, what can be done? I am a breeder and I have never had a snake die from eating while in shed. expecially to think that a small finch egg liquid going down a snake would be called a lump?? they do not take the egg all the way down. Please let me know what we can work out, Thanks Andy
---- [email protected] wrote:
> Andy, well I did not mean to be blunt but could have left it as it arrived
> healthy and alive and offered nothing and still been within the terms of sale.
> And your email was that they candoia arrived fine so I am not sure what
> guarantee any dealer gives beyond a report such as that. And although I believe
> you when you say they showed shortly with a respiratory condition and died
> and such, again, what can be expected of any dealer who ships healthy stuff
> and then it somehow gets sick. And I shipped 30 of those snakes and no one
> reported any respiratory but still believe you. I never even saw a photo of
> them dead? I believed you so no big deal. Heck, I buy 3-4000 dollars of
> reptiles a month and 5-10 percent of them end up with some issue or another and I
> never once got a dime consideration from people I have handed well over
> 100,000 dollars to for reptiles and that is from several different folks. Not a
> single dime. If I tell them something had an issue or imperfection or
> respiratory, they say it arrived alive and end of conversation. I bought snakes
> from folks with good reps and got stub tailed and disease ridden snakes and they
> dodge responsibility. I am not throwing that up for any defense, but that
> is how people deal in this business and it stinks that they do that. I do it
> for a hobby and it turned into a job and now its difficult keeping up with
> the expenses the job created so its fun most of the time, but sometimes hard.
> Even on the egg eater. I recommending allowing the red to shed before
> feeding and you got it and fed it the same day and it died the next. I have seen
> that happen before with other snakes that ate while in shed. Their body
> freaks at the bloat and they cannot get their skin off and they stress internally
> and die. It happens rarely, but does happen and I have done it myself a few
> times to snakes.
>
> Dan
>
>
> In a message dated 10/1/2008 11:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> I don't know if I would call it a Free Frenata. as those other snakes died
> in a very short time. I really appreciate you stepping forward and trying to
> make good of the situation. I think that Scott just really got worried after
> spending the 310 to have a snake shipped and then Freight(SP?) telling him
> that it was a bad deal and that the snake would most likely die. We are not use
> to getting snakes that do not fair well. I guess it's another lesson about
> getting LTC vrs CB. Any way. I am very sorry that we are all going through this
> and hope you can understand where we are coming from. Thanks Andy
> ---- [email protected] wrote:
> > Andrew, I sent you a FREE perfect frenata and your friend calls here
> making
> > threats?
> >
> > Dan
> >

Proof?

Here's a copy of the paypal dispute he submitted claiming 200 dollars.

And a copy of his email telling me he is out 310 dollars on a free snake I sent him. And he even lies in his email as he sold the snake to his friend Scott.



Dan, I don't know where we stand on this. I bought from you thinking you where a reputable dealer and the snakes where in good shape. This hole thing has been a nightmare. If this Frenata dies I will be out 310 plus the 75 on the egg eater. I will not settle for that. Please let me know what we can do about this. I am willing to ship the Frenata back for a refund or try and hold on to it and hope it survives, but if it dosn't, what can be done? I am a breeder and I have never had a snake die from eating while in shed. expecially to think that a small finch egg liquid going down a snake would be called a lump?? they do not take the egg all the way down. Please let me know what we can work out, Thanks Andy



10/6/2008 PP-558-062-177 Not as described
Dispute
ANDREW BILLINGS $200.00 USD 10/6/2008 Open View

Dayum! Go to sleep and the whole thread degenerates! We were doing so well too...

Beth, the disputed "e-mails" (I quote them as they are without full headers) were post by both the OP and Dan and they do match each other so I'm inclined to believe them. (with all this back and forth it was easy to miss them)

As for the selling of the "free" snake, Andrew doesn't deny that that happened and if he fixes the payapl dispute it will reflect that. I really feel that that was the original cause for all this and it's a shame really.

I don't know what the other problem is, so I'm keeping my schnoz out of that until I can read some more!

Dan, if Andrew gets the paypal thing straightened out is that going to be good enough for you or are you just going to tell him no deal? It sounds to me like you do try to make your customers happy by replacing things and giving free items. That is a good thing. Perhaps you should back off that a little, save it for repeat, long standing customers or something. If you try to make everyone happy all you end up is miserable!

Also about the tylenal, Harald and I feel like you make just be right here and we both felt the need to medicate ourselves over it! (It was a joke, silly )

Dan boasts. Dan brags. He toots his own horn and can be one of the most obnoxious people when he gets his dander up. (Sorry, Dan, it's true ) I still think that if I hadn't bitten my tongue to bleeding and try to make sense of this last night we would not have found out what happened with the paypal request and we'd still be arguing over that, ad nausium. You do catch more flies with honey, even though the sweetness may gag you.

 

[Kingetula]

Scott: The only thing burned is your creditability as you cannot proclaim garbage without evidence.

Lucky for you isn't it? Do you think I have nothing better to do than to ruin my creditability?

and confirmed that when you got home and said you were very pleased with them and later reported that they all fed eventually for you.

So you do recall me reporting that I finally got her to eat. (You didn't mention why I felt I had to call you back and tell you this. Sure I was finally happy that I thought I didn't waste my money that maybe the snake would come around... never did.

You never reported to me about any issue with any snake and come here a year later with garbage with no evidence. It is a joke at best.

Didn't you just say I reported that I finally got the snake to eat... Oh yeah but you left out that I contacted you prior because it wouldn't eat. Why in the world would I contact anyone to tell them the snake I got from them ate unless I was having problems getting that snake to eat! It was a crap snake you passed on to me and you know it! It shouldn't have been sold!

 

[LakesideBoas]

Lucky for you isn't it? Do you think I have nothing better to do than to ruin my creditability?

and confirmed that when you got home and said you were very pleased with them and later reported that they all fed eventually for you.

So you do recall me reporting that I finally got her to eat. (You didn't mention why I felt I had to call you back and tell you this. Sure I was finally happy that I thought I didn't waste my money that maybe the snake would come around... never did.



Didn't you just say I reported that I finally got the snake to eat... Oh yeah but you left out that I contacted you prior because it wouldn't eat. Why in the world would I contact anyone to tell them the snake I got from them ate unless I was having problems getting that snake to eat! It was a crap snake you passed on to me and you know it! It shouldn't have been sold!

Remembering the minute details of every transaction is a little much to expect from anyone, although it does look like there is a discrepancy there. You may have reminded him by posting those details.

I'm not trying to be a stinker, but no-one can say for certain which animals out of a given litter will thrive or not especially if the animal is WC(you didn't mention if the species you purchased were CB or WC).