East coast colubrids Peter Jolles

[ravensgait]

I liked how he danced around the question you asked Kevin. The Guy can't see himself at all, pretty sad... Randy

 

[Jim O]

I liked how he danced around the question you asked Kevin. The Guy can't see himself at all, pretty sad... Randy

[SARCASM]I'm quite certain he would have been all meek and mellow over someone else's screw up. Sure he would.[/SARCASM]

 

[DISCERN]

Well, this whole thing was really interesting to say the least...wow...

Peter, I really believe Rich made some very good points, and I do hope you give some of the main points in this thread, not the out of control wars between other people who posted, but the points of better customer service and just the thought of perhaps treating others BETTER than what was shown, some serious thought.

I believe I met you briefly back in Daytona 2006 upstairs at your table. You seemed like a decent guy with some very nice snakes. We chatted for a sec and I ended up telling others about your table. I believe I even asked you a few questions, which you answered. How I am really happy now that you didn't go off on me! lol....

The main point I feel that made this thread the size it is was the fact that it really was such a surprise to see you act this way. You apparently had a good reputation and quality snakes, but when the rampant name calling came out and your stuck up attitude reared its' ugly head, that is perhaps why I think this thread received the attention it did. It was just shocking, especially your attitude towards John Schmitt, who is a pillar of both excellent animals and great customer service in this industry, and didn't deserve any of the BS you threw his way, but your apology to him I hope is heartfelt and sincere, and also to Thomas Davis.

Please leave this thread with perhaps a humble look at yourself and realize that the posters who were constructive in the main point are trying to tell you something you need to hear.

 

[WebSlave]

Couple of points and then I am out of here for good ---

1. I never asked anyone to post any email in this BOI. It has showed me a lot about the whole "herp industry". Kinda funny - and I have enjoyed this.
2. Kevin Murphy - how would I act in that situation with Rich in reverse? Well since it has happened to me on a few occasions I can tell you. (2wice with DHL and once with FedEx) I have dropped EVERYTHING to try and locate the snakes. That's how. I didn't treat the lost snakes in a cavalier manner and 1st worry about recovering $10.00. My 1st thoughts and actions were to recover the snakes so they would live. my customers have not had to lift a finger to recover the snakes if I could help it.
3. I think that everyone on here that has actually dealt with me is quite satisfied with the outcome.

All of the Blood Pythons are sold, sorry!

See you at Hamburg!!!!

- Peter Jolles

Go on, Peter. You just keep on blaming the other guy. What you have just shown me was that your apology to me was NOT sincere at all. Pity, I thought maybe you would spend at least a moment in some self reflection about yourself.

No snakes for me, eh?

 

[GotBoids18]

First off, I'd like to say that Peter is an outright BLEEP but I can't say it would keep me from buying from him in the future.. I haven't seen one person say anything bad about his animals and until I do, I can't rule him out as someone I won't buy an animal from in the future if he ever has anything I'm interested in available.. He says he doesn't care about money but he does.. Maybe he doesn't care about money enough to the extent that he will play the roll of Mr. Rodgers to get it? He is offering animals at a price that shouldn't be bickered over and he is looking for customers who understand that, not customers who want a lower price than his already reasonable one. Is it good business practice to be rude? Not in the slightest but I'd rather have a rude guy selling quality animals than an overly friendly guy trying to sell you a piece of crap at a haggled price. I don't understand why it is everyone's concern to lecture him on business etiquette..

 

[Wilomn]

I don't understand why it is everyone's concern to lecture him on business etiquette..

Some people ACTUALLY care about others. They ACTUALLY care that peter, and those who act as he has, are hurting themselves and perhaps, just maybe, they don't know it. So, these kind and caring people try to point out to peter and those like him, the percieved errors of their, peter's and those like him, ways.

That's it. Just nice folks trying to help.

Do you understand that?

I know it's rare, especially out in the real world, but here, which is damn odd when you stop and think on it, there are, really and truly, people who care enough about those they've never met, will never meet, to speak up and offer assistance.

 

[jsrocket]

All this because a seller told a looky - lu with a dumb offer to piss off. Go figure.

I have been a businessman for over 20 years. Would I speak like that to someone, and expect to stay in business long? Negative.

Have I bit my tongue, and tried to be pleasant, when some idiot is on my last nerve? Affirmative.

Having said that, I have to come down on Peter's side. If you have ever been in business long, you know there are countless times when you want to tell someone to just go away, and come back if and when they have a clue. But you can't. You have to make all nice, to avoid any crybaby backlash. It's incredibly frustrating.

He said it for me, for all the times I couldn't, and I can totally relate.

I don't really care if the pilot who's flying my plane is an ass kisser. I just care that he's a good pilot.

I think Peter's a decent guy, and his anti - flake attitude sits fine with me. JMHO

 

[GotBoids18]

Some people ACTUALLY care about others. They ACTUALLY care that peter, and those who act as he has, are hurting themselves and perhaps, just maybe, they don't know it. So, these kind and caring people try to point out to peter and those like him, the percieved errors of their, peter's and those like him, ways.

That's it. Just nice folks trying to help.

Do you understand that?

I know it's rare, especially out in the real world, but here, which is damn odd when you stop and think on it, there are, really and truly, people who care enough about those they've never met, will never meet, to speak up and offer assistance.

Giving advice/help to people who are willing to receive it is a wonderful thing but why keep trying when you are blatantly shut out? After the first few "I don't care" posts by Peter, it should've been completely clear that he doesn't want guidance. Everything after that point was just antagonistic behavior on behalf of the people who continued to post, unusable/unneeded information that made the thread WAY too long to read through and pull useful information from. He is completely out of line for acting like that but what do I care?? He has made it completely clear that he doesn't. Does that make him a "Bad Guy" in the commonly understood reptile sales way?? Not in the slightest.

 

[Jim O]

All this because a seller told a looky - lu with a dumb offer to piss off. Go figure.

I have been a businessman for over 20 years. Would I speak like that to someone, and expect to stay in business long? Negative.

Have I bit my tongue, and tried to be pleasant, when some idiot is on my last nerve? Affirmative.

Having said that, I have to come down on Peter's side. If you have ever been in business long, you know there are countless times when you want to tell someone to just go away, and come back if and when they have a clue. But you can't. You have to make all nice, to avoid any crybaby backlash. It's incredibly frustrating.

He said it for me, for all the times I couldn't, and I can totally relate.

I don't really care if the pilot who's flying my plane is an ass kisser. I just care that he's a good pilot.

I think Peter's a decent guy, and his anti - flake attitude sits fine with me. JMHO

So because you don't have the peter to do it yourself, you applaud him and say he's OK because you've gotten some vicarious pleasure here. Considering the source (you), I'm not surprised.

Oh, and I agree about the pilot. But he works for the airline and they are responsible for customer service and sales, and for hiring the competent pilot. Irrelevant analogy.

He is completely out of line for acting like that but what do I care?? He has made it completely clear that he doesn't.

Actually he does care, else he would not have kept coming back. If you don't see that then perhaps you don't understand human nature very well. And the more times he posted his childish insistence that he is rude and arrogant, then the more obvious it will be to potential customers. If it was let go at once or twice someone might have thought "bad day, I'll give him a chance". All that we did here was to keep giving him more rope as long as he'd take it before the trap door swung open under him. He did a fine job. And that is the purpose of the BOI.

As for the definition of "bad guy", well I agree that jolles is not one of those scammer types. But he's not much of a human being either to act the way he does. Many of us would not want to give our hard earned money to anyone who acts that way, irrespective of the quality of their wares. Most of what he will ever offer will be on the order of "commodity" level animal. That is unless he is the first to discover some new morph, or the only one offering it. Someone else will almost certanly always have what he has, and people who know that might choose to vote with their wallets.

 

[jsrocket]

JimO, JimO, You are still the pedandic SOB I remember from the days of yore. I will not waste my time arguing with you. I have other things to do, and said my piece. Some of us have to work for a living.

 

[jsrocket]

"pedantic"

 

[GotBoids18]

Many of us would not want to give our hard earned money to anyone who acts that way, irrespective of the quality of their wares. Most of what he will ever offer will be on the order of "commodity" level animal. That is unless he is the first to discover some new morph, or the only one offering it. Someone else will almost certanly always have what he has, and people who know that might choose to vote with their wallets.

Point taken and understood. I'm not saying I'd ever be interested in anything he has available but as I said earlier, if I was, this post wouldn't keep me from buying from him.

 

[Jim O]

Point taken and understood. I'm not saying I'd ever be interested in anything he has available but as I said earlier, if I was, this post wouldn't keep me from buying from him.

According to his website he's moving to boids, so you never know. It would be your choice. Either way, know not to make an offer for less than his price, and don't ask for more photos, and don't ask lots of questions.

I've bought from some big names and from many small dealers, and I've made offers that have been rejected. Only once was I treated outright rudely by a seller. Bob Clark and Doug Price and Ralph Davis all spent lots of time on the phone with me, took photos, etc. Yes, I did buy from each of them, but not every time I contacted them. But they treated me the same way each time. And I was not a big time customer for any of them, and each of them has done more for herpetoculture in their own way (like them or not) than peter jolles will likely do in a lifetime. In my opinion, jolles could have handled this better, which makes me worry about what would happen in a deal gone wrong. And by going as far as it did, this thread produced some interesting information about jolles in a relevant transaction.

It seems as though he doesn't like to admit he's wrong. Look at the exchange between him and Rich, where jolles is clearly the one at fault. He continually faults Rich for his own mistake and blurts out that he won't buy from Rich again because of his own mistake. Only some time later does he apologize. Now imagine that you are trying to rectify a mistake that he made (we all make them) and he reacts with the "it's your fault" type of crap that he spewed at Rich. I think, and most people agree, that how one handles the one situation gone bad is much more telling about one's character and ethics than are the last 100 that went well. Blaming others for one's own mistake? Not just blaming, but blasting them. Odd behavior for a "good guy".

 

[CurtisF]

What a thread......What a thread.....

 

[jsrocket]

He was ruthlessly attacked by multiple people for a minor indiscretion. He responded. I don't see that as "odd" behavior.

 

[Jim O]

He was ruthlessly attacked by multiple people for a minor indiscretion. He responded. I don't see that as "odd" behavior.

OK now take the foot out of the mouth and see that I was referring in that paragraph to his transaction with Rich Z and how jolles blasted Rich for jolles' own mistake. So quick you were to find fault, that you didn't bother to read the post. Typical.

 

[EricIvins]

Okay, lets try a second time. First, why was this even posted on the BOI? Second, what has this thread done to help the "community" as a whole? Third, if your answer to #2 is to show the true personality of Peter Jolles, when did the BOI start serving as the Miss America Pageant ( I.E. personality/character contest )?

 

[East_Coast]

Guys, sorry - I could not stay away. Keep this going. I kinda like all of the attention.

Yeah - I was quick to get angry with Rich. Later when I discovered I was at fault I was HIGHLY embarrassed. I actually walked by his table at MARS in August of 2004 but I was too ashamed to confront him. As he stated in his post - I did go up to him in 2005. After he posted that email I am sure glad I did. I wonder how many of you in here would have done that. It is quite easy to be bold and brave behind a computer screen, eh?

I was mostly angry at his cavalier manner in responding to the mix-up --- no matter who was at fault. I think it was in August and I remember it was very hot that day. Maybe he was not cavalier but that was my perception. They were live animals. I apologized for a reason, either way I made the mistake.

Ahhh, those were the days. back when I though that morphed corns were cool. Chuckle.

Keep this going guys. What's the old saying? "any publicity is good publicity".

Kepe it going. I promised to stay away but I am afraid I will not be able to - at least not until I am banned.

Kind of funny that if you click my "karma" button --- the red button to the left --- you will see that many of the attackers in here have given me warning points; yet they are allowed to personally attack with impunity.

Oh, and Rich --- if I want to buy anything I will. I have plenty of friends and this will have zero effect, as stated before. Money talks and, believe it or not - many people have their support to me.

PETER JOLLES

 

[Cat_72]

Kind of funny that if you click my "karma" button --- the red button to the left --- you will see that many of the attackers in here have given me warning points; yet they are allowed to personally attack with impunity.

"Karma points" are simply given out by other members here to express their opinion about the posts you have made here. Anyone is free to give the "attackers" bad karma as well, if they choose. Kind of lets you know what the general public feels is all.

"Warning points" are issued by mods, and as far as I see, you don't have any of those.

 

[Cat_72]

Oooops.........I guess you do.