• Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

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    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

East coast colubrids Peter Jolles

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Peter as I stated above I am a participant in this thread and don't think it fair to hand out warnings to anyone else in this thread. If someone else wants to that's fine but unless someone goes ape poop(Jeez!) here I'm just another person posting in this thread... Randy
 
Chameleon Company said:
During times when major ethical issues are not being debated (scams, TOS violations, inferior products, etc), lesser issues may occasionally assume the role of filling otherwise idle time. While there are no minimum/maximum requirements/restrictions, due to the nature of these lesser debates, it is suggested that one be prepared to reveal the length of their schlong, the distance which they can urinate, the metal-alloy composition of their testicles, whether they can "fling poo" to home plate from center field on no more than one bounce, and various other characteristics relating to male endowment. Women who can write their name in the snow in CAPITAL letters, using only bodily fluids, are also encouraged to participate. :D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Jim, you are too much! AND...............:iagree:
 
jsrocket said:
You hit it on the head. So Mr. Jolles sent a rude email, or two. Who amongst us has not? Be Honest. If you are doing internet business, and you have never sent a blunt email, good for you.


Blunt is one thing. But out and out rude is a totally different animal.
If I were the person who tried to haggle with Mr Jolles, and he sent back
"I don't haggle on prices, Good luck with someone else". To me that's blunt.

But the rudeness Mr.(and I use mr loosely in this case) Jolles used was very uncalled for. Hence the reason I posted earlier that if I were interested in animals he had vs. someone else for even more money I'd go for the person with the animals for a bit more money. Because I refuse to deal with rude people even if they do have what I'm looking for.
 
BryonsBoas said:
Volunteering for the ECC blacklist.

Bryon Adzic
Laura Fopiano
B&L Exotics

No need for sending you e-mail addys since there is no chance of us contacting you anyway. Thanks.

Back to the down-ward spiral.

Bryon and Laura,
I wouldn't lend much credence to Mr Jolles' Blacklist Page.
It would seem that it is only visible from the link posted in this thread.
I have yet to find a single link to it from his website.

Apparently, he doesn't believe in it enough to make it truly public.
 
PLEASEEEEEEEE. Even though I'm an unknown could I also be added to the "black list".
If for no other reason to remind me NOT to buy from you in the future if you have animals I may want!..LOL
 
OH boy, where do I start??

Let me tell you a brief but true story. For over a week now I have been sitting in a hospital room not knowing whether my wife of 10 years or my newborn son would fully recover from the various ailments that labor and delivery can create.

Here in Central Illinois we received about 6 inches of snow so while sitting on the 11th floor of the hospital I could look out the window while holding my infant son. It's amazing what the world looks like with freshly fallen snow. You don't seem to be able to see the dirt and grime that normally covers the world. You don't see the muggings. You don't see the homeless person looking for their next meal. The world is what the world should be.....peaceful and awe inspiring.

So, as I was contemplating life, as I was holding my baby son, the bad part of my personality came out and I had to view the BOI from my cell phone. As I was reading this particular thread and seeing a known good guy self-destruct, as I was seeing other people I have respect for inserting their feet into their mouths, I had to take a step back. I had to look away from my cell phone and view the wonder that was literally outside my window and in my very own lap. You see, I had to force myself to remember what beautiful really was. Thankfully, this time at least, it only required me to look at my beautifully son. Remembering how fortunate I am to be holding something that represents so much more than the typical bickering that I can engage in.

Jolles, here's my advice for you. Think twice. As a seller I know how frustrating it is to have lowball offers. I also know how tempting it is to fire off our first thoughts on the matter and simply allow our pride to blind us to the actual effect of our decisions. I have no doubts of any kind that you're a good guy who simply has a temper. I share that same boat with you my friend. The only difference is that I.....think twice. Stating my true opinions can often times lead me down a path that ends up costing much more money then what I could have made. Such is the situation for you. While I don't doubt that you will still sell your animals I also firmly believe that this thread will unfortunately cost you a few as well. That's a shame as I don't doubt that your calm self probably did not desire such a result. You're a good guy Jolles and you need to remember that BEFORE replying to emails or other threads.

For the rest of you, I can only offer this one thing. Take some time to look outside. Take some time to take stock in what actually matters. It's such a shame that it took the birth of my baby boy to remind me of this. Sometimes, we need to step back and stop the baiting. We need to take stock in what the BOI should be vs finding our amusement to the detriment of a good guy. Yes, he did bring a lot of this upon himself and he certainly baited some of you. But, at some point, whose going to be the bigger man? Did the purpose of the BOI actually get served this time? No, and it's threads like this, the one's where we simply find our amusement vs showcasing the bad guys that do more harm then good.

With a person like Peter you have to know when your words are falling on deaf ears. You knew his ears were closed due to his pride and temper yet you felt the need to still shout it at him. The better approach would be to simply let things die down and then offer up some friendly advice. It's amazing how much more effective friendly advice is vs offering it up during a heated debate.

Now, back to the more important things in my life. I reckon I don't plan on being nearly as active here as I once was. My once source of online enjoyment has, unknowingly until a few days ago, became more a source of stress for me. When I look back, it will be the time I shared with my babies vs the creation of bad guy threads, for people who never really fit that category to begin with, that I will cherish the most.

Bob
 
Griz said:
OH boy, where do I start??

Let me tell you a brief but true story. For over a week now I have been sitting in a hospital room not knowing whether my wife of 10 years or my newborn son would fully recover from the various ailments that labor and delivery can create.

Here in Central Illinois we received about 6 inches of snow so while sitting on the 11th floor of the hospital I could look out the window while holding my infant son. It's amazing what the world looks like with freshly fallen snow. You don't seem to be able to see the dirt and grime that normally covers the world. You don't see the muggings. You don't see the homeless person looking for their next meal. The world is what the world should be.....peaceful and awe inspiring.

So, as I was contemplating life, as I was holding my baby son, the bad part of my personality came out and I had to view the BOI from my cell phone. As I was reading this particular thread and seeing a known good guy self-destruct, as I was seeing other people I have respect for inserting their feet into their mouths, I had to take a step back. I had to look away from my cell phone and view the wonder that was literally outside my window and in my very own lap. You see, I had to force myself to remember what beautiful really was. Thankfully, this time at least, it only required me to look at my beautifully son. Remembering how fortunate I am to be holding something that represents so much more than the typical bickering that I can engage in.

Jolles, here's my advice for you. Think twice. As a seller I know how frustrating it is to have lowball offers. I also know how tempting it is to fire off our first thoughts on the matter and simply allow our pride to blind us to the actual effect of our decisions. I have no doubts of any kind that you're a good guy who simply has a temper. I share that same boat with you my friend. The only difference is that I.....think twice. Stating my true opinions can often times lead me down a path that ends up costing much more money then what I could have made. Such is the situation for you. While I don't doubt that you will still sell your animals I also firmly believe that this thread will unfortunately cost you a few as well. That's a shame as I don't doubt that your calm self probably did not desire such a result. You're a good guy Jolles and you need to remember that BEFORE replying to emails or other threads.

For the rest of you, I can only offer this one thing. Take some time to look outside. Take some time to take stock in what actually matters. It's such a shame that it took the birth of my baby boy to remind me of this. Sometimes, we need to step back and stop the baiting. We need to take stock in what the BOI should be vs finding our amusement to the detriment of a good guy. Yes, he did bring a lot of this upon himself and he certainly baited some of you. But, at some point, whose going to be the bigger man? Did the purpose of the BOI actually get served this time? No, and it's threads like this, the one's where we simply find our amusement vs showcasing the bad guys that do more harm then good.

With a person like Peter you have to know when your words are falling on deaf ears. You knew his ears were closed due to his pride and temper yet you felt the need to still shout it at him. The better approach would be to simply let things die down and then offer up some friendly advice. It's amazing how much more effective friendly advice is vs offering it up during a heated debate.

Now, back to the more important things in my life. I reckon I don't plan on being nearly as active here as I once was. My once source of online enjoyment has, unknowingly until a few days ago, became more a source of stress for me. When I look back, it will be the time I shared with my babies vs the creation of bad guy threads, for people who never really fit that category to begin with, that I will cherish the most.

Bob
Congratulations Bob!
I agree with you on taking a step back. I too have found the real world outside the Internet and plan on spending much more time there.
 
Congrats on the new baby, Bob! I am glad everything worked out and Mommy and Baby are healthy.
 
I have dealt with Peter multiple times. In each and EVERY transaction, I was treated with good customer service, great communication and healthy animals. My pair of Okeetee Corn's are still with me and thriving and the other animals I received are still doing well. These were the FIRST animals that I bought after getting back into snakes after 15 years away. I emailed him and called him many times regarding that $90 pair of hatchlings. He was very helpful and had the "no question is too dumb" when contacting him about the animals I purchased from him. Peter was a Marine and being a former Marine I understand his penchant for being direct and no nonsense, but in my personal experience, I saw none of that.
After reading this entire thread, I wouldn't have handled it the same way, but I feel the need to say that as a herper he is top notch. Even if you feel his is an A$$%ole, there is not better person to trust your money with. I am not defending his actions in this thread, but feel that an honest and fair personal perspective is needed here. I challenge anyone to find someone he has screwed or sold a bad animal to...you won't.
My only tidbit Peter, is that you will save yourself and your bloodpressure a lot of trouble if you put FIRM next to the price. If they STILL call and try to bargain, then I say take off the gloves and call them any name you want to. I understand where you are coming from, but just being clear from the start will not give everyone the ammo that they have to complain here.
Take it or leave it..just my 2 cents. :D
 
He was very helpful and had the "no question is too dumb" attitude when contacting him about the animals I purchased from him.

I need to proofread better.
 
Peter is a good guy in my book and Ill do business with him anytime. Many of you attacked like a bunch of damn harpies and didnt let up. Peter is entitled to do business anyway he likes. He hasnt stolen or ripped anyone off yet many of you have treated him as if he had. That little wuss who made the first claim is a freakin baby WAAAAAA I bet he cried to his Mom before he posted here, I swear be a man and let it roll off your back.

Keith Hillson
 
Congratulations on the birth of your son Bob. I hope mother and baby are home soon.

I cant believe this thread is still going...
 
Sledgehammer said:
Bryon and Laura,
I wouldn't lend much credence to Mr Jolles' Blacklist Page.
It would seem that it is only visible from the link posted in this thread.
I have yet to find a single link to it from his website.

Apparently, he doesn't believe in it enough to make it truly public
.

Considering the folks that are on the " black list " we'd be honored to be among them even if it truely doesn't exist.

CONGRATS Bob on the baby boy. Hope everyone gets well enough to get home soon.
 
HA HA Jim Ohlstein called Peter a asswipe and a pompous ass and he got zilch for a warning. I call a guy a baby and I get a 2 ??? Way to show consistency...Are you fresh out of the kingsnake.com forum moderator school for the mentally irregular?
 
getula said:
HA HA Jim Ohlstein called Peter a asswipe and a pompous ass and he got zilch for a warning. I call a guy a baby and I get a 2 ??? Way to show consistency...Are you fresh out of the kingsnake.com forum moderator school for the mentally irregular?


Now whos the little :bawling: .Do using dose wurds make yu feal big an strong?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Just be consistant...and no those words dont make me feel big and strong ... Omnipotent and Colossal maybe but big and strong not so much.
 
getula said:
Just be consistant...and no those words dont make me feel big and strong ... Omnipotent and Colossal maybe but big and strong not so much.


:firedevil Watch how consistent i will be.
 
christopher66 said:
:firedevil Watch how consistent i will be.
Is the taunting of members going to be something all the mods do, or will it be just a few who engage in this behavior?
 
Wilomn said:
Is the taunting of members going to be something all the mods do, or will it be just a few who engage in this behavior?

Good thing im not a "moderator" then,huh.
 
christopher66 said:
Good thing im not a "moderator" then,huh.
You are able and willing to give points. You, I had hoped, would not go the way of some who are also moderators.

You really can't have it both ways and expect to be respected. Either you're a mod, and should be held to a higher standard, or you're just a guy who can ding people and therefore deserving of nothing not accorded to regular members.

If you get picked on, will we see atagonism towards a moderator as a penalty? While YOU may not think so, what will those who also have your power, especially the one who does not deserve it, think of someone else disrespecting one of his peers by decree?

THIS is why I decided not to play this game.
 
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