Ed Clark,don't buy frogs from him!

[LakesideBoas]

Harald's post #295 links to post #186 which gives a timeline of sorts.

 

[Ed Clark]

Kelly and her crazy frog friend have posted over and over that I ignored her.

here is a message she sent on aug 15, I will post my reply to her also.


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From: k412
To: ed clark
Posted: 2 Aug 15, 2008 2:02 am
Subject: Just wondering
Would it be inappropriate to ask for a refund Ed? I know this was a replacement frog but I don't want to let all of the money I spent on the setup to go to waste. I was on tttf and they don't think I did anything to cause it, not that you did btw. He was treated for CF right? One of the members there said that it sounded like it. They are a lot nicer there. I like this forum but that one seems nicer to noobs. Thanks, take care- Kelly

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[Ed Clark]

This is my reply to her also on Aug 15, Kelly is a liar again in saying I ignored her.


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From: ed clark
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Posted: 2 Aug 15, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: Just wondering
Kelly, I guarantee live arrival only, no its not possible for that frog to have anything at all.

I also paid for the fedex priority shipping to you which cost me alot.



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Posted: 2 Aug 15, 2008 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: Just wondering
That is completely understandable from a business perspective. No problem I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.
Let me know the difference in the shipping cost and I will send a MO.
Thanks again- Take care, Kelly

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[hhmoore]

OK, boys and girls, here is one of the moments you have been waiting for.

Ed contacted me, asking if I would confirm the statement about the wellbeing of the frogs he sent to the zoo. I agreed, stipulating that the emails be forwarded to me with intact headers.

The only editing I have done is to remove the Zoo person's info, and to eliminate some extra line spaces.
Both emails were dated Sept 4 (today)

X___, hello. how are the frogs doing that I sold to the zoo. ornates,pyxies and australian whites tree frogs?

The zoo's vets did alot of testing on them before they entered your collection, was there anything unusual found in the tests?
Ed,

All the frogs are doing well. I have a few of the Whites and one pyxie on exhibit right now. The other frogs are part of the education collection that are used for animal talks and the like.

X____ X X____
Assistant Curator of Reptiles and Amphibians
X_____ Zoo
X____________
xxx-xxx-xxxx

 

[deborahbroadus]

OK, boys and girls, here is one of the moments you have been waiting for.

Ed contacted me, asking if I would confirm the statement about the wellbeing of the frogs he sent to the zoo. I agreed, stipulating that the emails be forwarded to me with intact headers.

The only editing I have done is to remove the Zoo person's info, and to eliminate some extra line spaces.
Both emails were dated Sept 4 (today)

That is good news! I apologize Ed for prejudging you, and thanks for going that extra mile to set people's minds at rest.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Posted by the Zoo's response
All the frogs are doing well. I have a few of the Whites and one pyxie on exhibit right now. The other frogs are part of the education collection that are used for animal talks and the like.

X____ X X____
Assistant Curator of Reptiles and Amphibians
X_____ Zoo
X____________
xxx-xxx-xxxx

I would hope that the info above would put this silly thread to rest once and for all.

 

[critical bill]

So big deal he wins once on the BOI. Everybody knows that what goes up must come down. With him...its all just a matter of time. Thats the way I look at it.

 

[DaveyFig]

I have read this thread and I only have one question! YAY!!

I am about to leave for school, so don't have time to research it myself, but will when I get home tonight if nobody posts here while I am gone. Some say that until the CF test comes back then this should be dropped. Others(and some of the same) talk about how fast bacteria can grow in a short period of time in a humid environment. So, my one questions is...

AFTER a frog dies, how fast does it get hepatitis? It has already been shown that it had hepatitis, and I may be way off here, but I don't think that hepatitis is something that just pops up when a dead frog is left on wet paper towels.

 

[K412]

I offered her a free red morph baby and told her I would pay the shipping.

She said she did not want anything from me.

She also posted that the female I sent her laid a set of healthy fertile eggs.

Can you blame her for not wanting one of your animals?
Oh yeah, the blame is always on the customer in your case. I am sure that there are very reputable and honest and integrity filled sellers posting here.
Would you buy from Ed?

 

[LakesideBoas]

AFTER a frog dies, how fast does it get hepatitis? It has already been shown that it had hepatitis, and I may be way off here, but I don't think that hepatitis is something that just pops up when a dead frog is left on wet paper towels.

Hepatitis isn't something that kills frogs in one day either. You also (unless you are Superman) can not diagnose this disease with the naked eye. Try again.

About the wet paper towels; have you ever tried to keep them dry in a frog viv? If Kelly misted the frog (as she said she did) they'd be what? WET! Was she supposed to lay plastic over it first?? I was stating a point of fact: wet plus heat and humidity plus dead thing equals cool place for bacteria to thrive. Care to prove me wrong?

Do we have to get into a pissing contest in every thread here now? Is it a prerequisite? In that case I'm going to hold it for a while so as to have a greater spray radius.

I'm also fairly certain that the zoo Ed sent his frogs to, with a dedicated herpetological veterinary staff, treats and/or tests their incoming frogs for CF.

I am waiting for Kelly's tests results. I am sure she is too.

 

[K412]

I have read this thread and I only have one question! YAY!!

I am about to leave for school, so don't have time to research it myself, but will when I get home tonight if nobody posts here while I am gone. Some say that until the CF test comes back then this should be dropped. Others(and some of the same) talk about how fast bacteria can grow in a short period of time in a humid environment. So, my one questions is...

AFTER a frog dies, how fast does it get hepatitis? It has already been shown that it had hepatitis, and I may be way off here, but I don't think that hepatitis is something that just pops up when a dead frog is left on wet paper towels.

A frog or any living thing for that matter does not develop hepatitis post mortem and neither is a septic bloodstream. Necrosis is the term for dead tissue, if that were due to a decaying body it would have been noted. A healthy animal has no necrosis in it's body at all besides hair follicles. I have stated my level of education in the field of veterinary medicine. I would never have wasted my money, well it wasen't a waste after all, if I thought that the necessary tests were not going to be cost effective. I have answered most all of the threads here and been completley honest. No one has been able to "point out" a specific discrepancy in my explanation of the situation.
Although I have asked questions of Ed he has not given them to me and I will never find the truth.
Although I have found this forum to be extremely hostile it is also informative and serves a great purpose and that in and of itself is admirable.

 

[K412]

My next post will be the test results.

 

[shrap]

Do we have to get into a pissing contest in every thread here now?

I am actually quite proficient at these. In both distance AND accuracy competitions. Not to mention name spelling. But then again I kinda cheat during those and only go by Sam....

 

[LakesideBoas]

I have stated my level of education in the field of veterinary medicine.

I also have a "sheepskin" hanging on my brag-wall that states I completed my requirments to be a licensed veterinary technician. I'm not walking around beating people about the head with it.

I did not stress the frog, I was aware that they stress easily.

I picked up the bowl to put the frog up higher under the light where it was warm and then left it alone.

You state that you found your frog deceased within 45 minutes of it's demise, although you had it for 24 hours according to your first post, yet you also state you were aware they stress easy and you "left it alone". A whole 45 minutes...

You misted it, yet you "left it alone". You picked it up and put it in a waterbowl, yet you "left it alone". You picked it up and put it on a shelf by a heatlamp, yet you "left it alone". You photographed it, yet you "left it alone". You attempted to feed it crickets, yet you "left it alone". You attempted to feed it worm parts with tongs, yet you "left it alone".

I don't see where this frog was "alone" once it left the shipping box, if you want to get down to brass tacks.

I wasn't going to pick on you, but I smell something funny and it's not a dead frog.

Ed replaced a DOA, Ed fulfilled his live arrival guarantee with this animal. That is all he was obligated to do.

 

[LakesideBoas]

My next post will be the test results.

Cool.

 

[pcrooker]

Thanks

Thank you for providing the information from the Zoo Ed and HH.

 

[John E Dove]

I was stating a point of fact: wet plus heat and humidity plus dead thing equals cool place for bacteria to thrive. Care to prove me wrong?

Autoclave; an apparatus in which steam under pressure effects sterilization. Wet, Heat, Humidity, no bacteria!
LOL sorry I could not resist the challenge. I do not disagree that Mr. Clark seems to be innocent of any business misconduct, this time.

 

[K412]

Cool.

You are incorrect in more than one of your statements and I haven't the time or inclination to point them out to you, if your level of comprehension is not up to par it is not my responsibility to point out the mistakes in your timeline.
I will not be insulted any longer for having a heart for animals.

I was not bragging and if that what you stated were true you would have concurred with the findings.

The breeder not "producer" of this frog is sending me one free of charge from the same batch as the one that E.D. purchased the one he sent me.
I have provided answers to everyone's questions and E.D. still refuses to answer mine because he knows that he has lied more than once and withheld information.
I did this to help people and those who choose not to heed that warning, well that is what free will is all about.
Since it is apparent that so many members of this thread are sick of it I won't post the results here, after all it doesn't matter.

 

[LauraB]

LOL, Mr. Dove ... touche