ed clark- liar, theif, bad guy- will you answer questions NOW?

[WebSlave]

David.... if you think King Turd and his Dingleberry Posse will ever change, don't hold your breath.... They are a JOKE that makes this site the absolute laughing stock of the reptile community.... I've had 5 bad deals in 11 years, and the last bad deal was over FOUR YEARS AGO, but does that matter to them... hell no.... Yet I'm still in business and doing very well.... This site and these morons don't mean a thing.... Now just watch how many of these idiots come and lambaste me for THIS post....
Read this site for sheer entertainment, that's all it's worth....

Neil

Well, I've had just about enough of you, Mr. Gubitz.......

Now THIS, I find entertaining....

 

[John Apple]

David.... if you think King Turd and his Dingleberry Posse will ever change, don't hold your breath.... They are a JOKE that makes this site the absolute laughing stock of the reptile community.... I've had 5 bad deals in 11 years, and the last bad deal was over FOUR YEARS AGO, but does that matter to them... hell no.... Yet I'm still in business and doing very well.... This site and these morons don't mean a thing.... Now just watch how many of these idiots come and lambaste me for THIS post....
Read this site for sheer entertainment, that's all it's worth....

Neil

Wow, first there was the dirty dozen and now there is king turd and his dingleberry possy,,,,....man too many 'cliques' here hahahahaha

 

[KelliH]

Originally Posted by Neil Gubitz

David.... if you think King Turd and his Dingleberry Posse will ever change, don't hold your breath.... They are a JOKE that makes this site the absolute laughing stock of the reptile community.... I've had 5 bad deals in 11 years, and the last bad deal was over FOUR YEARS AGO, but does that matter to them... hell no.... Yet I'm still in business and doing very well.... This site and these morons don't mean a thing.... Now just watch how many of these idiots come and lambaste me for THIS post....
Read this site for sheer entertainment, that's all it's worth....

.......

 

[monkeywrench133]

Ha ha....Chris Johnson. Look that name up and check out his feedback record.

You can't anymore, Rich deleted his ratings because he was the highest at the time.

Matt Graybeal was number 2, for what that's worth.

 

[snake5007]

David.... if you think King Turd and his Dingleberry Posse will ever change, don't hold your breath.... They are a JOKE that makes this site the absolute laughing stock of the reptile community.... I've had 5 bad deals in 11 years, and the last bad deal was over FOUR YEARS AGO, but does that matter to them... hell no.... Yet I'm still in business and doing very well.... This site and these morons don't mean a thing.... Now just watch how many of these idiots come and lambaste me for THIS post....
Read this site for sheer entertainment, that's all it's worth....

Neil

I think you missed the gist of my comment to Bud, Neil. I guess i should class you as a "member" of the jedi council MEMBERship. And reMEMBER, if Wes is a king turd, then what the hell are you?

 

[Cat_72]

You know, I think some of y'all are missing the "BIG PICTURE".

If you actually read Ed's threads, you would see that most of us agreed that there was no way to prove that the parasites came from Ed (though it was kinda fishy that all of her other snakes tested clean, if I remember correctly. And yeah, after 10 months, well....she should have had them tested earlier.

BUT.......when asked about it, Ed said he'd check on whether he sent her CB snakes as promised or WC/CH crap and get back to her. Well, it took him until NOW, how many months later, to even address it (other than one cowardly nasty post in the mod's forum, where she was unable to defend herself). He completely ignored her....that is what I took issue with, was the fact he handled to whole thing terribly. Then I believe there was more BS about claiming Emily's geckos were sick....and they weren't even the same geckos. More lies.

Then Daniel's geckos....that's great if it's true that he finally offered him those replacements. But in the process, he LIED about what the geckos actually were (one minute, they were high end colorful cresties, then Ed says they were plain, normal geckos, and he wouldn't send Daniel any of his nice stuff. Then when Daniel was trying to contact him, he ignored Daniel too.

And hm.....the issue with Ed sending out snakes with mites, come to find out he had no actual quarantine procedures....and as far as I know, he's still insisting that he actually bred the animals he was selling when most everyone is aware that he was just flipping them. More lies.

Then there was the whole "minor morphs" issue, unlocking locked threads and changing them.....all kinds of not-so-innocent type of stuff.

I could go on, but I won't. It's all been hashed out on his other threads. The whole point I'm trying to make is that there's a LOT more to this story than what some people have taken the time to figure out, and it's kind of on the dark side, if you know what I mean.

And yeah, I gave him a positive trader rating at one time too. If had known then what I learned shortly after I bought those snakes, I never would have bought them in the first place. But for what trader ratings are worth......as has been said, Chris Johnson had a trader rating of 60+ before we all found out what a lying, swindling, crooked sack of horse poo he was.

 

[Cat_72]

Yep, look at the feedback (but you should look at HER feedback)...

Not sure what this means....HER who?

 

[ravensgait]

Cat, I don't think people are overlooking that stuff I know I haven't. I'm also not giving Ed a pass on what has occurred. But I also see that much of what has been written about Ed on the BOI is the result of personality conflicts IE a bunch of folks just don't like the guy and have used these issues to take him to task mainly for that reason. I'm not making lite of what he has done but I See it this way, the parasite problem --well if the OP had brought it up soon after receiving the animals that would be one thing. The mites well it isn't good but has happened to many who deal in large numbers of animals ETC ETC . As I said my biggest problem with Ed is in how he dealt with these issues, in other words he didn't deal with them he tried to duck them... Randy

 

[Cat_72]

The mites well it isn't good but has happened to many who deal in large numbers of animals ETC ETC

But when you are keeping animals that are supposed to be "holdbacks" or some such in the same rack as snakes that just came in the door and are waiting to be flipped, that's not just dealing in a lot of animals, that's piss poor, total lack of common sense and quarantine.

Anyhoo, I think we're close to being on the same page on this one, Randy. Most folks DO get it, but there do seem to be one or two (and a couple of crazy Jedis) who don't.

Ed perhaps has been taken to task on some little things that some find piddly, and alone, they aren't much....but ya know, all of those little piddly things add up over time, and make one big pile of poo.

 

[KJUN]

> It's called acurate record keeping.

I understand you, but I don't know your situation. I tried to find a website to see how many animals you have, but I didn't find a link. If you only have 20 pairs, what you are talking about is EASY. I'll produce up to 2,000 babies this year. I keep fairly good records. If you know the cup number, I can tell you about the parents. It is the BUYER'S responsibility, IMO, to know what they buy. I don't even try to keep up with who gets what - especially since babies often change hands AFTER I sell them - on all of those babies. Not my concern. I sell them what they want, and I feel like the deal is done. Sometime I put the cup numbers on the receipt, and sometimes I don't. If they buy a "normal" that is carrying EXPENSIVE genes that aren't aware of, I don't provide a cup number. They don't need it if they are buying a cheap snake as a pet. YES, that is common in the cornsnake world where you produce a lot of extra male "possible" hets or have extra hets from a new project that you don't want to get out there too soon.

Now, if someone buys AND resales on top of that, it is a million times worse in complexity. Pipe dreams are GREAT, but they are still pipe dreams....lol.

> I keep all emails in their own folder that pertain to that person. And guess what? When they produce, I contact the original seller with pix and a count of the litter.

That's great. I'm just not sure how it is relevant.

> Again, a-c-ur-a-t-e record keeping. All show receipts have a number and a detailed description of the animal, the sex, date of birth and the liniage.

Try that at a show where you sale over 300 animals in 6 hours. Date of birth - that might work with small clutches of a few balls, but not for a LARGE mover and shaker. Again, I'm NOT defending Clark. I just think it is strange that people expect someone who does the type business he does (moving a lot of animals in and out) to keep records like a guy with only 20 pairs. It isn't feasible in many cases.

> Tax's for my business were the same as house hold.

Yes - sole proprietorship, etc. I'm not new to this, either. I was referring to state SALES TAX, though. In many states (all?), trades mean sales taxes have to be paid on both groups of animals. Have you ever paid sales tax on the animals you acquired in a trade that weren't meant for resale? If not - and you lived in any of the states I've done business in - you would have broken the law. I have to do it with trades for personal acquisitions for BOTH of my state "business licenses." There is a way to legally avoid some of that with snakes, but not with guns. Period.



I'm sorry, but I just don't see how this is relevant. If Clark kept good records, he still wouldn't necessarily be responsible for a snake with a parasite (or ten) a year after he sold it. Period. The buyer has responsibility, too. A good breeder would do something in this case to try and make it "right," but that doesn't mean they are responsibkle. It just means GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE. Clark handled this VERY differently than I would - and I wouldn't buy from him based on his actions even if I would have considered buying from him BEFORE this - but that doesn't mean I think it has been proven HE lied or sent her sick snakes.

He probably did, but my opinion is NOT proof. I know that, but some people seem to misunderstand an opinion and PROOF.
KJ

 

[Wilomn]

Let me take another stab at this.

mr. clark traded captive born and bred personal female holdback ball pythons to Emily for some high end crested geckos.

We're all on the same page for that, right?

Emily NEVER asked mr. clark for ONE RED CENT.

We're all on the same page for that, right?

Emily takes very good care of her animals, has a very small collection of ballpythons and has them checked regularly.

Still on the same page?

Her quarentine was good. There was no mixing or matching. Out of all the ball pythons she had, not a big number but more than a half dozen only THREE of them had parasites. The THREE that came from mr. clark.

Upon confronting mr. clark, while asking for NOTHING but information, about the tapeworms in her snakes, mr. clark informed Emily that he MAY have sent her imports INSTEAD of the captive born and bred personal female holdbacks he promised to her. He THEN told her he would check HIS records and get back to her and let her know. Seems like he knew where to look to find out who got what.

mr. clark also informed all readers that he tested "some" of his breeders randomly on a regular basis. He stated that he had proof of this and would post that.

Was that I flying pig I just saw? No. Nor did I ever see anything from any vet that had anything to do with mr. clark.

NOW mr. clark has stated, quite recently, that he has ALL breeders tested YEARLY. Why would he need to do that? Why would he change his story? Why would he lie? Again?

No one EVER said mr. clark should pay Emily anything. She NEVER asked for anything but information which mr. clark promised to provide.

He lied.

He did not provide.

He's a scumbag.

 

[Ed Clark]

no actual quarantine procedures....and as far as I know, he's still insisting that he actually bred the animals he was selling when most everyone is aware that he was just flipping them. More lies.


And yeah, I gave him a positive trader rating at one time too.

Cathy, not fair to post lies about anyone.

I have very strict quarantine procedures and have some of the cleanest herps in the industry.

You gave me a positive trader rating for a good transaction on an awesome pair Of Ball pythons. nothing more, nothing less.

Most of what I sell is produced by myself!

Whats the difference of Wes sitting in the chat room here asking who has crested geckos and cal kings for sale because he has buyers for them or me buying something and selling it?


Wheres the crime?

 

[critical bill]

Cathy, not fair to post lies about anyone.

You gave me a positive trader rating for a good transaction on an awesome pair Of Ball pythons. nothing more, nothing less.

Does someone walk behind you with a shovel and broom all day?

Cathy never said that in her feedback left for you. This is what she said.

"Ed was great to deal with, thanks again!!"

She never said they were awesome. Why do you exaggerate everything? You do this so often and to the point there is no reasonable explanation for it other than that you are a jumbo liar.

Its so sad...you're a grown man and you just don't get it.

 

[critical bill]

Let me take another stab at this.

mr. clark traded captive born and bred personal female holdback ball pythons to Emily for some high end crested geckos.

We're all on the same page for that, right?

Emily NEVER asked mr. clark for ONE RED CENT.

We're all on the same page for that, right?

Emily takes very good care of her animals, has a very small collection of ballpythons and has them checked regularly.

Still on the same page?

Her quarentine was good. There was no mixing or matching. Out of all the ball pythons she had, not a big number but more than a half dozen only THREE of them had parasites. The THREE that came from mr. clark.

Upon confronting mr. clark, while asking for NOTHING but information, about the tapeworms in her snakes, mr. clark informed Emily that he MAY have sent her imports INSTEAD of the captive born and bred personal female holdbacks he promised to her. He THEN told her he would check HIS records and get back to her and let her know. Seems like he knew where to look to find out who got what.

mr. clark also informed all readers that he tested "some" of his breeders randomly on a regular basis. He stated that he had proof of this and would post that.

Was that I flying pig I just saw? No. Nor did I ever see anything from any vet that had anything to do with mr. clark.

NOW mr. clark has stated, quite recently, that he has ALL breeders tested YEARLY. Why would he need to do that? Why would he change his story? Why would he lie? Again?

No one EVER said mr. clark should pay Emily anything. She NEVER asked for anything but information which mr. clark promised to provide.

He lied.

He did not provide.

He's a scumbag.

Gonna miss ya.....hope you arent gone for long.

 

[Ed Clark]

Does someone walk behind you with a shovel and broom all day?

Cathy never said that in her feedback left for you. This is what she said.

"Ed was great to deal with, thanks again!!"

She never said they were awesome. Why do you exaggerate everything? You do this so often and to the point there is no reasonable explanation for it other than that you are a jumbo liar.

Its so sad...you're a grown man and you just don't get it.

Ummm Chuck, what are you talking about?

I was not quoting what she said in the trader rating.

I simply stated what I sent to her, it was an awesome pair of Black Pastels. the awesome is my opinion of that pair.

 

[snake5007]

Ed, you're a scum sucking piece of shit. judging by the look on those frogs faces that you posted, even they don't want to be affiliated with you. Wes must strike the fear of god into you, that much is clear by the actions you took. You're a slimy two faced bastard.

 

[critical bill]

Ummm Chuck, what are you talking about?

I was not quoting what she said in the trader rating.

I simply stated what I sent to her, it was an awesome pair of Black Pastels. the awesome is my opinion of that pair.

It seems clear now what you meant to say, but it did read as you exaggerating yet again.

 

[critical bill]

Ed, you're a scum sucking piece of shit. judging by the look on those frogs faces that you posted, even they don't want to be affiliated with you. Wes must strike the fear of god into you, that much is clear by the actions you took. You're a slimy two faced bastard.

HERE HERE!!!

 

[AF Exotics]

Iv'e been watching this thread quietly off and on and I see some light here.Ed,you mention in post #52,that there is nothing wrong with buying and reselling,"No crime" right,I agree,until you state that said animals were bred by you,now a problem arises.I was taught in life there is no such thing as a "half-truth".In the same post you state"most of it bred by myself"....Well which is it? Only one can be a truth,the other a misrepresentation(polite word for lie)

 

[Ed Clark]

Iv'e been watching this thread quietly off and on and I see some light here.Ed,you mention in post #52,that there is nothing wrong with buying and reselling,"No crime" right,I agree,until you state that said animals were bred by you,now a problem arises.I was taught in life there is no such thing as a "half-truth".In the same post you state"most of it bred by myself"....Well which is it? Only one can be a truth,the other a misrepresentation(polite word for lie)

Where is a half truth or lie in that statement?

I said I produce most of what I sell, but I do buy some things to resell at times.

I know lots of breeders that trade or buy off of each other to get stuff they dont have or need. and once again I dont see anything wrong with that and why some are making it an issue.