ed clark- liar, theif, bad guy- will you answer questions NOW?

[Wilomn]

mr. clark,

It seems that in the last few days you have had a GREAT many answers to all kinds of questions and posts that have NOTHING whatever to do with all the unanswered questions you ran away from a few months ago.

Since you seem to be in such a talkative mood, let me ask you a couple of them again. I would also encourage anyone else with questions for mr. clark to ask them in this thread.

Last year you traded a nice young lady some of her crested gecko morphs for your supposed "captive born and bred future holdback breeder females," to quote you directly, but when questioned about them having tape worms you could not recall if you actually sent her those or some cheap imports you had on hand.

Which snakes did you send her?

You have also stated a time or two that you had random snakes checked and all turned up clean and that you would post proof of it. You never did. Would you care to do so now?

Then there was the sale of some crested geckos. Do you recall, yet, the source of those geckos? There was some question as to their origins.

Now a cowardly liar would ignore this, run away and cry to Rich about how I'm picking on you, AGAIN, or try to lie his way out of this again. I am surely hoping that you do NOT take this avenue as has been your habit in the past.

Also, why is it that you LOCK every single ad you place on fauna? Why do you NOT want any questions in your ads? Seems to me that a good guy with nothing to hide, would leave his ads open for questions. I generally do when I place them. Why do you lock them ALL?

Thank you in advance for your cooperation mr. clark.

 

[RJK890]

Is that your final answer?

I can understand why Mr.Clark locks his Ads. If he did not they would be flooded with "libel" attacks pertaining to this matter. If Ed pays membership and financially supports Fauna he should be able to place his available animals for sale in the classified section without having his threads hijacked. The BOI is the proper forum for this, and also for people considering making a purchase from him to research his reputation and see that he is in fact dodging these questions.

In all fairness to Ed, from what I remember the nice young lady was in possession of the animals for around ten months before posting that they had worms. It is my opinion that after almost a years time that would not reflect on Ed Clark's stock. I would have thought that the nice lady(Emily, I believe?) should test/treat the other animals in her collection and feeder colony to conclude that the origin was not found there.

Now if Ed had not posted on this matter at all I would have dismissed it right there. However, since he stated that he can't remember if he sent her WC/CH animals instead of the CBB Holdback quality future breeders they had agreed upon, that is enough proof of possible wrongdoing on Ed's part for me to jump to "the other side." (Star Wars pun.) Sorry, I am no Jedi.

Ed,
If you "accidentally" sent Emily WC/CH animals which would be expected to need internal/external treatment for parasites, instead of the CBB ones agreed upon, why not just admit it? Make it right with her, and clear your name! That would be the honorable thing to do and I would respect it even to the point of looking at your Ad's again.

If you did in fact send her the CBB animals you had agreed upon, why not say so? While your at it post the clear fecal test results like you said you were going to do, or explain why you are not.

Taking the silent route is very damaging at this point! Like I said earlier, if you had maintained from the start that you had sent her CBB animals, had no problems in your collection or with any other customers, and that after ten months the tape worms could and must have been introduced through her husbandry errors or feeder colony, I would be with you on this. That is not the case, and I think you should try to explain this situation from your side rather than hide from or ignore it.

 

[Cat_72]

How about those replacement geckos you were supposed to send to Daniel? I recall you saying back in November you'd have babies ready to send out in a couple of weeks...did you get those sent out yet?

 

[Russ Bates]

BOI Attacks

I have never purchased anything from Ed Clark. I don't personnally know anyone who has purchased from Ed. Clark. That said, it would seem that there is enough damaging evidence in previous posts that would help one make a determination on buying/trading with Ed Clark in the future without creating a "summary" thread on all of his bad deals. As I read the post it smacks of someone taking the opportunity to poke another bad guy in the eye for everyone to watch.

Although I really like the BOI.....I really think it is unfortunate that it can be used as opportunity to attack those they don't like or don't think are good business folk. To me it's pretty obvious when you use the search function if someone is good or bad....especially when you have posts telling the perceived wrong doings.

In closing, I know I'll get bombed for this but that's ok. I'm not sticking up for Ed Clark just voicing a concern that sometimes this BOI gets abused to go after already confirmed "bad guys".

Best of luck,
Russ Bates

 

[kmurphy]

I have never purchased anything from Ed Clark. I don't personnally know anyone who has purchased from Ed. Clark. That said, it would seem that there is enough damaging evidence in previous posts that would help one make a determination on buying/trading with Ed Clark in the future without creating a "summary" thread on all of his bad deals. As I read the post it smacks of someone taking the opportunity to poke another bad guy in the eye for everyone to watch.

Although I really like the BOI.....I really think it is unfortunate that it can be used as opportunity to attack those they don't like or don't think are good business folk. To me it's pretty obvious when you use the search function if someone is good or bad....especially when you have posts telling the perceived wrong doings.

In closing, I know I'll get bombed for this but that's ok. I'm not sticking up for Ed Clark just voicing a concern that sometimes this BOI gets abused to go after already confirmed "bad guys".

Best of luck,
Russ Bates

I agree Russ. There's already a thread on this deal and this question should have been asked on that thread.

 

[2amcreations]

agrees Russ

I totally agree Russ. If Wes had a new transaction with Ed that would be one thing, unfortunately this is not the case.

This thread shouldn't even exist. Ed already has enough bad guy threads to make sure folks know he's a scumbag.

 

[cyberfrog]

This is why most breeders I know couldn't care less about this site, don't use it, and try to forget it exists. Simply, anyone can run your name through the mud at any time for any or no reason. Responding to a thread simply makes more threads, so the best thing as some see it is to ignore this site completely. IMO the only use for this site is buying over the internet, as it's not really easy to check the BOI before buying something at a show. So people who don't primarily sell on the internet are much less likely to care about this site or even show up on it as a good or bad guy. Sure, Ed may be a bad guy, but I have also seen some good guys(IE Glades Herp thread) be drug through the mud for no reason and no matter how many of us come to their defense, when a user does a search, they will see the bad guy thread.
I honestly use the site for entertainment purposes as I don't do much internet buying and the people I do buy from over the web I already know by reputation.

 

[Wilomn]

You gentlemen are entirely welcome to your opinions.

I, and several others however, have some questions that he has neglected to answer in those other threads; neglected to answer even after promising to do so.

Since I have interest in those answers, as do some others, what avenue would you fine gentlemen recommend I take to achieve satisfaction?

I have no desire or need to beat him up. I cannot ask these things in other threads of his, even when he says to feel free to ask questions, I can apply no real pressure other than here in the BOI. None that I know of at any rate.

Perhaps such illustrious and intelligent gentlemen as yourselves would deign to help me, poor lout that I am, better suited to as I am to merely beating my opponents to a pulp than bantering and badgering answers from those who fail to answer as they should.

Any help you could give would be most sincerely appreciated.

Thank you so much, in advance even,
W

 

[John Apple]

Wes
Clark will not respond cause to do that he would have to roll out of bed and possibly hit Gubitz in the head with his elbow.
Can we say dishonest bedfellows

 

[SPJ]

Wes,
As much as I agree with you that Ed should answer some of the questions he left hanging and had gone downhill in the credibility section, I don't think this thread is going to do much of anything and was not worth starting.

 

[Wilomn]

Wes,
As much as I agree with you that Ed should answer some of the questions he left hanging and had gone downhill in the credibility section, I don't think this thread is going to do much of anything and was not worth starting.

This is why most breeders I know couldn't care less about this site, don't use it, and try to forget it exists. Simply, anyone can run your name through the mud at any time for any or no reason. Responding to a thread simply makes more threads, so the best thing as some see it is to ignore this site completely. IMO the only use for this site is buying over the internet, as it's not really easy to check the BOI before buying something at a show. So people who don't primarily sell on the internet are much less likely to care about this site or even show up on it as a good or bad guy. Sure, Ed may be a bad guy, but I have also seen some good guys(IE Glades Herp thread) be drug through the mud for no reason and no matter how many of us come to their defense, when a user does a search, they will see the bad guy thread.
I honestly use the site for entertainment purposes as I don't do much internet buying and the people I do buy from over the web I already know by reputation.

Steve, I have my reasons, which heretofore have always been good enough so therefore, here after, are still good enough. For me anyway.

Mark, did you even READ that thread? Out of the gate you had fauna members defending Glades and letting people know that paulina was a lying kid.

That is NOT being dragged through the mud. That is getting splased by an inconsiderate fool and having strangers stop and help you clean up.

Anyone who goes only by thread titles to figure out who is good and who is bad is an idiot. Plain and simple.

Just like you can't judge a book by its cover, you can't judge a thread by its title. You may be able to come close but you owe it to yourself to do a bit of research. Not you in particular Mark, the big you who read on this site.

mr. clark, you admonished me in another thread about asking you questions, after posting that we should feel free to ask them, went so far as to warn me about it, which I found highly amusing, then tucked tail and ran to Rich, as is your habit. You also mentioned that the only place for such questioning was here, on the BOI.

Well skippy, here we are, on the BOI. Got anything to say or are you still just a lying cowardly scumbag?

 

[cyberfrog]

Sorry Wes, maybe the intent of my post came across wrong. It's not an attack on you at all, just a comment on what others were saying about needless comments and unfounded threads. I have read the old Ed Clark threads in the past and he certainly couldn't do any worse with this little thread. Just wanted to let you know. Also, I bet alot of first time buyers will look at the thread title only and ignore the actual posts, especially when a thread is 10+ pages long.

 

[hhmoore]

This is why most breeders I know couldn't care less about this site, don't use it, and try to forget it exists. Simply, anyone can run your name through the mud at any time for any or no reason. Responding to a thread simply makes more threads, so the best thing as some see it is to ignore this site completely. IMO the only use for this site is buying over the internet, as it's not really easy to check the BOI before buying something at a show. So people who don't primarily sell on the internet are much less likely to care about this site or even show up on it as a good or bad guy. Sure, Ed may be a bad guy, but I have also seen some good guys(IE Glades Herp thread) be drug through the mud for no reason and no matter how many of us come to their defense, when a user does a search, they will see the bad guy thread.
I honestly use the site for entertainment purposes as I don't do much internet buying and the people I do buy from over the web I already know by reputation.

I know this is off-topic, but I couldn't resist addressing this briefly.
There is a lot more to this site than the BOI, and, unfortunately, much of what Faunaclassifieds offers seems to get ignored. The discussion forums are as user friendly as most that I have encountered, and there is a great deal of difference between the type of posting allowed there vs here (the BOI). Sure, there are cliques in the various areas - as there are on ANY online forum, but the members (for the most part) aren't against new people joining rank.

Yes, things are different on the BOI, and people are free to post their experiences - good, bad, or in combination. Glades Herp, as an example, may be a "good guy" overall, but they have dropped the ball at times...and there is no reason to protect them from their mistakes. In the recent Glades thread - which was an attempt to add a black mark to their record - the poster was immediately, and thoroughly, discredited...anybody opening that thread and willing to invest about 15 seconds could see that.

You are correct that anybody doing a BOI search will see whatever threads have been posted about an individual or business...as well as the way people conduct themselves (those named in the thread, as well as those posting). The fact that it stays is part of the benefit - when somebody blows a gasket, or is totally off the mark, it isn't just swept under the carpet by being deleted. When somebody makes good, that is here too (as well as the evidence of how willing - or not - they were to do so). As has been said multiple times, in various forms - it is great to know that a person has 110 great transactions...but it is his/her response to the one that goes bad that speaks the loudest.

I'd better stop now, before I take this off on other tangents.
(back to the topic of Ed Clark)

 

[Wilomn]

Sorry Wes, maybe the intent of my post came across wrong. It's not an attack on you at all, just a comment on what others were saying about needless comments and unfounded threads. I have read the old Ed Clark threads in the past and he certainly couldn't do any worse with this little thread. Just wanted to let you know. Also, I bet alot of first time buyers will look at the thread title only and ignore the actual posts, especially when a thread is 10+ pages long.

And I didn't mean to call you Mark, Adam. Man I suck at names.

But I stand by what I said. The Faithful Fauna Readers will stick up for people who are unjustly accused in bad guy threads. Note the TOTAL absence of anyone defending mr. clark here. We ALL know he's a scumbag, I'd just like some answers.

Also, anyone who only reads the title is not doing themselves justice.

In general I would say by the first 10 posts you know if someone is full of crap or not. Anyone who can't read 10 posts into a thread to verify the title shouldn't be using the BOI anyway.

Time will make this more obvious.

Sure, a newb might just skim titles but even then they will most likely have a pretty good idea by how many are good or bad about someone as to what type of business they run.

I have no clue about mr. clark's numbers but I'd bet he's got far more bad guy threads than good guy threads just as I'd bet Glades has far more good guy threads than bad guy ones.

Anyway, no offense taken and sorry about the name thing again, it was unintentional.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Why can't the people who have the issue put the thread up against Ed Clark?
I thought that was how you were supposed to do a BOI thread in the first place. Weren't there threads about the geckos not getting shipped? Weren't there threads about the worms?
I think if someone has a complaint they should step up and post it. Coming in and starting threads just to get people responding, as if you really don't have a agenda, makes you look manipulative.

If there's already a thread on the subject, then posting on it, gives the readers who see it up on the front page again the Full Story.
If someone doesn't feel it necasary to make a thread about an issue, then what is the point in a 3rd party in starting it?
I'm not defending Ed Clark, there's plenty in the relevant threads about him, but wondering why the threads suddenly getting started without the OP being the aggrieved party.

 

[Wilomn]

It's not sudden Theresa. It's happened before and doubtless will again.

Sorry you don't understand why.

 

[Ed Clark]

Mr. Clark, you admonished me in another thread about asking you questions, after posting that we should feel free to ask them, went so far as to warn me about it, which I found highly amusing, then tucked tail and ran to Rich, as is your habit. You also mentioned that the only place for such questioning was here, on the BOI.

Yes Wes I had to reprimand you in the amphibian discussion forum for your bad behavior and I guess this thread is a payback for having the nerve to tell you how to act in public.

The fact that you and I have never conducted any business between each other makes everything you say 3rd hand information.

So to continue your vendetta against me you start a bad guy thread on the BOI with 3rd hand information to get revenge.

Like it or not the BOI is not your playground and should not be used as a weapon to smear an innocent gentleman like myself.

 

[Wilomn]

Like it or not the BOI is not your playground and should not be used as a weapon to smear an innocent gentleman like myself.

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AHAHAHahahahAHAHAHAHAHhahaHAHAHAHahahahahahAhahahahahahah

You have GOT to be kidding, right?

Innocent? Gentleman?

Lying sack of crap is MUCH closer to what you are than those two words.

Thanks for the chuckle skippy.

Now, you gonna answer any questions about your lies and theivery or are you just going to slink away?

Again.

 

[Wilomn]

Yes Wes I had to reprimand you in the amphibian discussion forum for your bad behavior

But when in doubt, give me a shout. haha.

Does this apply to the ball pythons you sell or is it exclusive to frogs?

Reprimand?

Bad Behaviour?

Go here, use it before making yourself an even BIGGER fool.

www.dictionary.com

 

[Cat_72]

Soooooo.......I take it this means you still aren't going to answer any of the questions, Ed?