ed clark- liar, theif, bad guy- will you answer questions NOW?

[snake5007]

You have been very critical of me with calling me names and such.

Please present some proof of these things you are saying.

You provided the proof yourself by running away from the other two threads, Ed. Please post proof of what Emily ACTUALLY bought from you, plus any proof that they were tested for parasites. (if any.)

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Emily was sent captive bred baby Balls produced by me, I have no idea how they can have parasites almost a year later. there are many ways she could have picked them up.

Really? In a PM to Emily you stated

Emily, thanks for the message. dont remember if the Balls that I sent you were captive bred or captive hatched. will look into it to find out and get back to you.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=544352&postcount=11

I was very concerned when she told me this, so I tested all my BP's and there are no problems.

Liar Liar pants on fire. You FLAT DENIED ANY POSSIBILITY that they could have come from any of your reptiles. Again, can you provide any documentation backing that you had any fecals done at all? Even just one within a relative time frame of that thread? I very much doubt it, or you would have by now.

In fact I test every year before breeding season because I know its possible to pick these up from rodents, testing costs me nothing .

Prove it then. Personally I think the part in bold was a throw in due to someones mentioning that there may not be any paperwork if they were done for free, or at home. I say if you are indeed using...

a very good herp vet that I use and we do random fecals on my adult breeders and have not had any positive results yet for internal parasites...all negative!

...Then I doubt anything would be for free, and there should be some sort of record. And you yourself said you only test your adult breeders. If that's the case, then you didn't test Emily's animals, as they were "future holdback breeders" and not adults yet. So how is it NOT possible they came from you? You say NOW that you test every year before breeding season. What happened to testing randomly all year round? You did say that, didn't you?

Proper husbandry practices on her part would have caught this early and treating it is a simple task.

Coming from a guy who has shipped out reptiles full of mites, and internal parasites. Now that truly is a funny thing.

Rick

 

[snake5007]

What's the matter Ed? You seem to be awfully quiet over there.

 

[RJK890]

The way I see it...

Ed has answered all of the questions that were asked.

He claims to have sent Emily female CBB Ball's that he produced as was their trade agreement.
He received Morph Gecko's from Emily and sold them to Daniel who had issue's with them.
He has offered Daniel replacement animals and Daniel has failed to follow through with sending Ed the shipping fee's which was their agreement.

It really does not matter if you believe him or not. The fact is that Emily had those animals for almost a year before discovering tapeworms. Then she threatened Ed to inform his customers that HE had tapeworms in his collection or she was going to go public. How would you have dealt with that?
Maybe, Ed should have posted a "Warning: Avoid Emily" thread. Warning other sellers that a disgruntled customer who purchased animals from him a year ago was threatening to smear his name in the BOI if he did not assume responsibility for a parasite infestation that she may have caused.

Other than the fact that Ed said that he would post the papers from his fecal testing and now say's that he does not get paperwork for his exams there is no proof of any wrongdoing on Ed's part. Certainly not enough to deserve a Liar,Thief, Scumbag thread. He may have taken 10 months to answer the question of whether Emily had received CH or CBB, but isn't 10 months an acceptable time frame in this thread?
Deal or don't deal with Ed Clark in the future, but let this thread fall to the wayside. It's old news.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

It really does not matter if you believe him or not.

Doesn't matter to YOU. It does matter to me, and maybe a few others.

Deal or don't deal with Ed Clark in the future, but let this thread fall to the wayside. It's old news.

Won't happen if I can help it. Just because Ed says so, don't mean squat to me. Lets hear it from the people who he has wronged. The paper work would do a lot more to silence me than YOU telling me to let it sink.


Emily, if you are reading, has Ed supplied convincing proof to YOU that he sent the right animals? If he has, by all means, let us know.

As far as I'm concerned, Ed deserves the limelight. His own shadiness brought on all this attention.

 

[hhmoore]

Other than the fact that Ed said that he would post the papers from his fecal testing and now say's that he does not get paperwork for his exams there is no proof of any wrongdoing on Ed's part.

Unless I missed something, Ed never claimed that he does not get paperwork for his exams...that whole thing came up when I said that it was quite conceivable to me that not everything of that nature was done via formal vet visits, and thus might not generate formal records. Some people do their own fecals, some people have vet techs (and/or vets) as friends, whatever. I never said that was the case with Ed, and he did offer to post fecal results. Regardless of my opinion of the validity of that whole thread/situation, Ed himself offered to provide that evidence...and failed to do so. Therefore, whether his claims are true or not, he has subjected himself to further doubts & questioning.


Just a question for those requesting proof that Ed sent Emily what she paid for (namely, CB holdbacks)....how, exactly, do you propose that he do that? Think about it - what kind of evidence would convince anybody that chooses to doubt it that he sent CB vs CH or imports?

 

[shrap]

Think about it - what kind of evidence would convince anybody that chooses to doubt it that he sent CB vs CH or imports?

Very true Harald. There is no evidence that could be convincing one way or the other as far as the Balls are concerned. But if a person has a history of conducting themselves in an ethical and honest manner then the question would probably have never come up in the first place.

As many has said many times, it is not one single aspect that has brought the heat down on Ed. It is a long history of Ed's actions as a shady business person and his lack of character as a human being.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Harald, Ed couldn't provide anything that would convince me personally. However, if Emily stated that she was convinced, by what ever means Ed provided, I may be more apt to let that issue lay.

But he'd still be a rotten lying scumbag IMHO.

 

[monkeywrench133]

If I remember correctly, the accusation that the BPs Ed sent were wild caught and not captive hatched did not originally come from Emily. I believe Wes made that accusation based on the assumption that the animals had come from Ed with the parasites, and Wes' experience that normally only wild caught animals have parasites.

Once that hat was tossed in the ring, so to speak, a lot of other people picked it up and ran with it, but there wasn't really anything more than supposition to it to begin with.

That's not to say that I believe Ed is telling the truth at this point, but there really wasn't anything solid to base the accusation on initially that I can see.

 

[shrap]

Erin,

As far as what got the ball (all pun intended) rolling on whether the snakes were CH or CB were Ed's own words. When is said he would check to see what he sent because he could not remember.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Erin, click the link I provided in post #142. Those are Ed's words, in a PM response to Emily. He admitted to not remembering what animals he sent her.

I've probably GIVEN 20+ reptiles away in the past 10 years from rescuing. Not only can I remember who they went to, I can even recall the circumstances from which they came to me, and what sort of animal they were. And no money exchanged hands to HELP me remember. You'd think a paying customer would deserve at least as much.

 

[Ed Clark]

Unless I missed something, Ed never claimed that he does not get paperwork for his exams...that whole thing came up when I said that it was quite conceivable to me that not everything of that nature was done via formal vet visits, and thus might not generate formal records. Some people do their own fecals, some people have vet techs (and/or vets) as friends, whatever. I never said that was the case with Ed, and he did offer to post fecal results. Regardless of my opinion of the validity of that whole thread/situation, Ed himself offered to provide that evidence...and failed to do so. Therefore, whether his claims are true or not, he has subjected himself to further doubts & questioning.

All my vet work including fecals are done by a vet that specializes in herps and has a zoo back ground, what I mean is she has worked in a zoo in the reptile dept as a vet and is a top notch reptile vet.

And there is no way that I would post any documents from her office so she can be disrespected by the fauna fanatics.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Erin, click the link I provided in post #142. Those are Ed's words, in a PM response to Emily. He admitted to not remembering what animals he sent her.

You're right Rick, I was remembering wrong. Please ignore my previous post.

 

[varnyard]

This is a frigging joke, old Ed is asking everyone else for proof, and funny thing is no one is on the stand here but him. That said it is up to Ed to provide something besides his words to save his buns. So do stop with the little game of requesting proof from others here Ed, the whole thread is all about you. Now is the time for you to buck up with the proof to save yourself. What about that vet report you claimed "YOU" would provide?

And BTW Ed, those Red coins looks like pure crap on you, you are a disgrace to everything good.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

What makes you think that would happen. I for one would love to see some supporting documentation to your claims. I certainly wouldn't hound a vet for performing fecal exams, regardless of the results.

Seems like you have an answer for everything Ed. Anyone else would merely black out the names and numbers that would be considered private info. Why not you? Is it because in reality, there is NO supporting documentation?

Prove me wrong Ed. I'll be the first to eat crow, right here in front of everyone. Hell, I'll even go so far as to say, if you provide the supporting documents of your claims, I'll quit hounding you on any past accounts of your wrong doing.

But not the future ones. I am sure more will arise in time.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Above addressed to Ed.

 

[Ed Clark]

Very true Harald. There is no evidence that could be convincing one way or the other as far as the Balls are concerned. But if a person has a history of conducting themselves in an ethical and honest manner then the question would probably have never come up in the first place.

As many has said many times, it is not one single aspect that has brought the heat down on Ed. It is a long history of Ed's actions as a shady business person and his lack of character as a human being.

Sammy I can post all the fecals some are asking for, but why?

Then its just going to start another round of arguements that Ed Clark is posting false fecal exams and is a lier, thief and a scumbag.

Dont you think an intelligent person can see throught your lies and a few others such as cathy peterson, chuck kimmel and bobbie hill.

The 4 of you choose to make personal attacks then start the name calling, after that the thread is lost and no more pertinant information comes forward.

Some here have crippled this great information machine, and thats sad!

 

[Junkyard]

All my vet work including fecals are done by a vet that specializes in herps and has a zoo back ground, what I mean is she has worked in a zoo in the reptile dept as a vet and is a top notch reptile vet.

And there is no way that I would post any documents from her office so she can be disrespected by the fauna fanatics.

A "zoo back ground"? That really means squat, I have known a few vets that work with a zoo and I would not trust them. All you need is for the vet to write down that the tests came back negative or positive. No records need to be kept on her part, just yours, even if the test is free. They have the paperwork already to go, just print it out and write down information. You CAN cross out her name and where she works so no one here can contact her, but having it written down for you OWN records would be a smart thing to do, don't you think?

 

[varnyard]

Sammy I can post all the fecals some are asking for, but why?

Then its just going to start another round of arguements that Ed Clark is posting false fecal exams and is a lier, thief and a scumbag.

Dont you think an intelligent person can see throught your lies and a few others such as cathy peterson, chuck kimmel and bobbie hill.

The 4 of you choose to make personal attacks then start the name calling, after that the thread is lost and no more pertinant information comes forward.

Some here have crippled this great information machine, and thats sad!

How can Ed provide something he does not have? He can't, it is just another smoke screen of lies. No one here is stupid here Ed but you, I mean do you really think that anyone here is buying that excuse? Think again Ed, you are wrong to even hope that.

You got your bottom caught in a bear trap when you made the claim to provide something you do not have, now it is time to make the lies needed to cover your tracks, that's all we are seeing here.

 

[Ed Clark]

This is a frigging joke
And BTW Ed, those Red coins looks like pure crap on you, you are a disgrace to everything good.

Fantastic!!

you are running out of lies to tell so now you are insulting my fauna membership. whats next with you?