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Elisa Cox, Mike Cox, Mike Williams, Michael Williams

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Hello all. This is a shame on me report.

I am in the market for a Double Het for snow female and came across an ad for one right here in these forums. The ad was posted under a person named [email protected]. This person clammed that his mane was Mike Cox and he had an animal that fit the description of what I wanted. He and I discussed the terms of the deal, exchanged photos of certain animals and so on. I asked for references and he provided a couple. I was only able to reach one these references and all he could tell me is that he had not had any bad deals with anyone for the past couple of years while purchasing or buying, but could not specifically remember any "Mike Cox" out of Corpus Christi, TX. After some time I made the mistake just going ahead and purchasing the animal anyway. I have been doing this for almost 20 years and not once had I ever had a bad deal.

Mike and I discused how to get the animal to me, I live in Louisiana and him being in Texas, it was okay to send him by FedEx but we both agreed that Delta is better for the animal.

So I sent the money FedEx over night too the address he supplied. I sent it on a Monday

"ok every thing looks good. here is my information.
Mike Cox & Elisa Cox
1601 Airline rd. Appt. 19
Corpus Christi, TX 78412
361-980-3850"

The above was copied straight out of the email he sent me, note that he is claiming to be "Mike Cox". During this time he and I communicated regularly, both by phone and email at all times of the day. He missed the delivery on the Tuesday and we continued to communicate. I even spoke to his "Wife" Elisa whom would occasionally answer the phone during all this. When she answered I would ask, "Is Mike Cox in?" She would give me an appropriate answer.

The next day (Wed) I called to see if he collected the check and he informed me that he was just walking up to his apartment and there was a FedEx message on the door and said he was going to pick up the package. That was the last time I spoke with him until Friday.

I tried to contact him all day Thursday but got nothing, by evening time I became a little nervous and began to wonder what was going on. I sent him several emails and by Friday morning I had no replies or calls from him and I began doing some research.

There is no info on the boards on a "Mike Cox" or an "Elisa Cox" at this time. So I began pounding the references that were supplies to me. I finally reached one by phone and he told me he had never done business with this guy. We talked for a while and a couple things I said tripped the memory of the person I was speaking with. He asked what the address to this guy was using and when he searched he found references to a Michael Williams, exact same address, same phone number, same "wife" name.

So I called the cops and headed to the bank to try and stop payment. I was too late to stop payment on the check, but the cops were there and explained to me what could be done.
Once I got home I looked up the name of Michael Williams in the forums and found plenty of info, good and bad. But there are some entries where he is asking OPENLY how to change the name on his user profile. That is a major warning sign in my book. If you would like to see these messages yourself look up bigdaddy in the forums.

After obtaining all this info I called the home # he provided and left a message explaining what I had done and found on the forums and that I had contacted the police. I hung up and not 30 seconds later my phone rang, It was Elisa. She told me the snake had already been shipped by FedEx from Rhode Island. RHODE ISLAND!!! The snake was supposed to be in Corpus!!! She also asked me "how did you find out that mikes last name was Williams?" That was a really strange question to ask me after she told me that she didn't know anything about Mike changing his name, not to mention that I had asked for "Mike Cox" when ever she answered the phone earlier in this ordeal.

Mike called me a couple hours later not happy with all this. I asked straight forward questions about his identity and why he lied to me about his name. He told me that he was going to marry Elisa and he was going to take her name. Okay.. fair enough.

Why wouldn't you answer my calls and emails? I was busy he said.

Why did you change your email and user name on fauna? No answer.

Why is the animal in Rhode Island and not Corpus? No answer.

Why is it that the check cleared you bank Weds and I have nothing? Because its in Rhode Island.

This is when he informed me that the snake hasn't been shipped yet, contrary to what Elisa told me earlier.

All the above was written about three weeks before this post, below is an update as of today :April 26,06

I still have not received the animal or the money. Mikes mother sent me "A" snake but the wrong one from Rhode Island. And now I see that they are trying to sell many other snakes as of yesterday, one of them is probably mine. In addition, they have disconnected their phones or have changed their #'s. The animals they are selling are posted under "[email protected]" and Elisa does not have these animals, Mike does, and they are located in Rhode Island with someone that knows nothing about snakes.

Below is one of his email "addresses" that I know of:
[email protected]

Below is another:
[email protected] (the "e" probably stands for Elisa)


Below is Michael Williams asking openly how to change his profile on Fauna:
Bigman101

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Adult Albino het snow male & Adult Albino poss het snow
i have two great looking snake that i have to part with.
1.0 adult Albino het snow= 4000
1.0 Adult albino 66% het snow= 3000

i have paper work on both animals both are eating med rats. both are about 5ft the albino het snow is proven
and the poss het snow has courted but did not breed yet. will let both of them go for 6500
if taken as a group. im open to the right trade. for question please email me at [email protected]

Also if some one know how to change he profile please email me on how to do so.
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Hope this message helps some folks out there.

Brannon May
[email protected]
337-257-7086
 
UPDATE: On this situation

I just received a phone call from Elisa Cox. She says she has taken over their snake business and will be straightening out any discrepancies in this deal and that I will have the money back or the correct animal in my possession by this weekend.

I will keep you guys updated on the situation.

Thanks.
 
Well, that is a good start, you finally have some contact from them. :ack2:
 
Good luck with them. I smelled something funny when I read the ad, then when he said the paperwork was notarized I figured he was trying a little too hard to seem legit.
 
Here's the number I have for them:
361-737-1884.

The ad screamed "scam". I inquired about the "Het" Genetic Stripe Ball Python, but only to confirm my suspicions. I won't go in to the BS story I was fed by him, anyway, hope the phone number helps.
 
brannonmay said:
I will have the money back or the correct animal in my possession by this weekend.

I'm just curious: after all these 'discrepancies', if you are dealing with a het, how can you be sure it's the real McCoy; the 'correct' animal? This does not sound like an inexpensive snake......
 
I'm just curious: after all these 'discrepancies', if you are dealing with a het, how can you be sure it's the real McCoy; the 'correct' animal? This does not sound like an inexpensive snake......

Yeah, Lucille brought up an excellent point: why now would you even trust that the animal is what they say? I would say at this point demand a full refund of your money. Good luck.
 
I have to agree with Kelli & Lucille

KelliH said:
Yeah, Lucille brought up an excellent point: why now would you even trust that the animal is what they say? I would say at this point demand a full refund of your money. Good luck.


I also responded to the ad in question as well and thought something was fishy. I asked who produced the DH snows and never heard of the breeder they told me (Tamron Tiger). I was hoping they would give me a name I would recognize and could confirm the genetics through that breeder. I too would demand a refund instead of getting those supposed 'Dh snows'. I truly believe you will end up with some really expensive NORMALS! Here is my email to them through Fauna. Just remember to read from bottom up.

the 05" i produced myself from a poss super ghost to a albino poss het snow. and the 04' i got from tamron tiger. her email address is [email protected]. i have all paperwork from her stating what they are and pics of the animal. i will also give you my personal guarantee on them, and that come signed and noterized. if you want all of them i will give you a very nice deal.


"khood @ FaunaClassifieds Forums" <[email protected]> wrote:
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This is the message:

I am interested in both the 04 and 05 dh snows. Who produced them and do you have contact info for them? What type of paper work do you have with them. I have cash and am ready to buy as long as it is the right deal.
Regards.

Kevin



Good Luck and I hope everything works out for you.
Kevin Hood
 
Just thought of something else!

Hey Branon. Which female Dh snows where you interested in because I inquired about both he/she had listed just yesterday. If they are still telling you they will send you the snake, why did they offer it to me just yesterday for a 'good price'. As a matter of fact, the reason I logged on hear today was to send Casey Hulse a message asking him if he went through with a deal with this person. I know he had inquired about a snake that Elisa Cox had advertised here. I wanted to find out his opinion on them. Then I see this thread and found out my answer. Smells like a fish to me!

Kevin Hood
 
khood said:
i will also give you my personal guarantee on them, and that come signed and noterized.

For those of y'all who are not familiar with what a notary does, they notarize with a seal documents and certify that they have observed a signature being affixed to the document.
They are in no way responsible for the content of the document itself, so in this case, you only have the personal guarantee of this vendor.
 
The quote above is not by Kevin but by the vendor btw, the bold print did not copy correctly.
 
Thanks Lucille

Thanks Lucille for making it clear that I am no way associated with these people. I just posted a reply from them about some snakes that I inquired about.

Kevin Hood
 
email

Here is the email I just received about the snake I inquired about. Anyone ever heard of Tamron Tiger? :hehe:

ok my wife has found the paperwork and Tamron Tiger out of oklahoma preduced her. we got quite a few boas and balls from here all at once. so on the paperwork here is a list of animals saying the cost and what they are, it also came with a genetic guarantee from her that was signed and noterized. i have also looked up the market value on het stripe males and babies are selling for 1500, i will sell this adult for 1300. the reason is cause i really need cash coming in. i will also give you my personal guarantee on the animal, that i will also sign and noterize.

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This is the message:

HI-

I am very interested in this male. Who produced him, do you have paperwork, and where in TX do you live, I may be able to meet you and avoid shipping? Also, how much are you asking for him?

Thanks!
Kelli





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new email just received from Elisa Cox

I just got back from lunch and I saw a new email from Elisa Cox giving me a "fine" offer on these DH snows. I declined her offer and gave her a link here to explain her side of the story if she wishes. Here is a copy of the email. Remember to read from bottom up.

I appreciate the fine offer but I will have to decline. Here is a link to the
BOI where it is has been proposed that you may be having a bad deal with one of
its members. It appears that these animals were sold to someone else who is
having trouble getting the animals or a refund. You can explain your side of
the story there if you wish.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79228&page=1&pp=5

Regards
Kevin

---- E Cox <[email protected]> wrote:
> for all 3 of them i will sell for 1500 if you buy them soon, 1500 for 3 dh
snows. you can not beet that anywhere. and to say one of them is 4 1/2 ft and
will breed next year. i need cash coming in here soon
 
lucille said:
For those of y'all who are not familiar with what a notary does, they notarize with a seal documents and certify that they have observed a signature being affixed to the document.
They are in no way responsible for the content of the document itself, so in this case, you only have the personal guarantee of this vendor.

We have thought of doing this with our future sales and documentation. Just for the fact that it makes it harder to make fake paperwork.
 
Tamron Tiger / Elisa Cox?

KelliH said:
Here is the email I just received about the snake I inquired about. Anyone ever heard of Tamron Tiger? :hehe:

Hey Kelli. That is the same person that supposedly produced the het snows that I inquired about. I posted the email I got from Elisa Cox stating such earlier in this thread. I sent an email to that person and have not received a response yet. I also submitted a post inquiring about her (Tamron Tiger). It seems that she produces some very high end animals so someone on hear should know of them. If in fact this is a real person!

Kevin Hood
 
Anyways.....

I am still looking for a adult female double het for snow if anyone has information on one. I have cash and can purchase immediately.

Thanks.
 
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