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I think you are way out of line to even suggest that someone would use the passing of their MOTHER for an excuse.
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If it were any other company other than Upstate, I would agree but their reputation and the fact that it would appear from the email that they never even shipped the enclosure and gave a bogus tracking number, I wouldn't put it past them to lie about something like this.

Unless YOU can post proof that in fact she did NOT pass, don't even go there.
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I believe what Wes said was:


If it's true then cutting them a little slack is warrented
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With Upstates reputation, they should be posting proof she did....
 
I am not going to go down that road of searching, YOU brought it up.
Things do happen in peoples lives, as you should know, to affect outcomes.
Sometimes you just cross the line of decency.
 
Wes is out of line?

You have got to be kidding me!!!! Are you for real? These people have done nothing, and I mean NOTHING, but lie, cheat, false represent animals (several times), stolen, YES stolen, that's when you take something and refuse to give it back (see Big Papa thread) people's hard earned money and kept it as long as they wanted.

On and on and on.....And they currently have had someone else's money now for weeks with no product and no correspondence.

I did not participate in a couple of their threads for about three weeks or so. I just wanted to see how they were going to change. Well as you all can see......that's not possible. You have some nerve...........Damn you Wes for thinking that they could be lieing!!! What kind of person are you!

Now if you'll excuse Stardust and myself, we have a candle light vigil to attend at the state pen.....WE are going to try and stop that execution!!!
 
This is not a place where posting "proof" has to be done. Just your experiences, as posted many other times in many threads. We are NOT judge and jury.
Personally, I wouldn't give any proof of a close relative dying on a public forum.
Whatever you people think they have done, and some very warranted, they do deserve their mourning time.
 
Rozann, you have a line that you won't cross out of what you consider decency and I actually respect that.

I don't have the same affliction as you. There is no line of someones else's decency I won't cross if I am trying to find out the truth, which is really what this is all about. I flat out say I don't believe anything sal or alison says without INCONTRIVERTABLE proof to back it up. Them simply making a statement just ain't good enough.

You are most likely much more decent than am I. But I bet if they had ripped you off you would appreciate having me aid you in your efforts to get back what was yours. But, regardless of your appreciation or lack thereof I do what I think is right. It is RIGHT to question these two.

Wes Pollock
 
NOT, Wes has stated numerous times for proof, just kickin some dirt back, Wendy.
I am stating my opinion like everyone else on here, if you don't like it I don't really care.
People on here who read this everyday but still say nothing can form their opinions on what is decent and what is not.
 
You know what.....you people are [bleep]ing rediculous....

If I was a low life, piece of [bleep] garbage person like some of you on here, I would wish what we just went through on all of you.

Sal lost his mother....and you idiots think that is a single peice of information to use to make yourselves look better....look like higher people in the industy...

Let me tell you something...you all just showed how low of scum you really are.....

Kris is the one who needs to understand all of this....and I regret giving him the truth and him posting it here as some of you are trying to use that as an advantage to better yourselves....pathetic.

Kris is OK with this....we've emailed back and forth...he is getting his money, we have the enclosure back here, and if it wasn't for Columbus Day the money would already be on its way.

So screw all of you who think one person's loss is to be used for your gain. Wes, your the biggest ass of all of them to start this...how could you be such a bastard and say that....you of all people I wouldn't even think would stoop to this level...but when people read this they'll see what a heartless, guttless, coward of a man you really are.

Kris....if you feel you must still post all our correspondance here, that's fine...but just look and see what kind of people are here...

I'm done with this.....you can all go crawl back into your little holes and wait for something else to use to try and make yourself look good....
 
Wendy, I just made the connection, you are scales and I bought from you. You even sent a tee shirt extra, thank you.
I am still concerned with your attitude on this. I would not have thought you would stoop to the level you have put upstate.
Please clarify this for me.
 
I believe it was you who first used this SUPPOSED excuse of sal's mother dying. Not me.

As far as building myself up, WRONG. Yours is the last back I'd stand on for that, I told you long long ago that I don't like stepping in [bleep].

When did this SUPPOSED death occur? Before you SUPPOSEDLY shipped Kris the cage or after? The timeline is pretty long and drawn out.

Were you people worthy of ANY respect at all, alison and sal, I may have worded or approached this differently. You're not so I didn't. Whose fault is it that you have no respect and are WORTHY of none? Again, yours and only yours is the correct answer.

No one here, other than upchuck is trying to make themselves look better. That you have completely missed the ENTIRE point of my doubt surprises me not at all.

I may well be heartless, to the scum of the earth. Other than them I think I'm a pretty caring fellow. As far as I know I'm not a bastard, mom and dad were married before I was born. Just another lie for upchuck. For you to call me an ass as well as a bastard has just shaken the very foundation of my manhood. Oh me oh my, whatever shall I do, upchuck don't like me no more....... wah wah wah. And you're right about me being a coward, I never face anything or anyone. Wow, a perfect score for upchuck exotics. as usual. HA!!!!

Are not UPS and Fedex and Airborne all up and running today. Don't you use some of them to ship your sick, dead, mis-represented, mis-sexed, or just not what the customer ordered, animals with? I guess they don't ship money orders, do they? So, once again, Kris is left waiting with a lame excuse as to why you have, and not for the first or second or even third time, sent out a refund for a deal GONE BAD with sal and alison from upchuck.

You guys sure you want to keep playing this game? I can get mean if you want to.

Wes Pollock
 
Allison,

From a different viewpoint.....

Sal lost his mother. OK. I won't question that. I've lost both of my parents, and it's definitely a tough thing. With that put aside:

Why did you have time to post new ads before handling Kris' situation?

Why is the enclosure back with you? Was it ever shipped? What was the correct tracking number? You knew the tracking number was wrong the day you sent it to Kris, because it was posted here, I ran it, and it came up as invalid. I posted that to the thread immediately. You were online at that time and when I checked, you were on that thread. I made note of it, because you had mentioned to Kris that you'd be away at a show and it would be hard to reach you.

So, Sal's mother passing is certainly a situation that would explain why you couldn't handle things for those days. However, it doesn't address why you couldn't handle things *before* or *after*.
 
Those are some good questions, Terese, and probably should be addressed.
Alison, could you please address those questions as they are pertinent to the situation?
 
well no Tornambene more

well since some one wanted proof i did a search across the US and in NY on the surname that if she hadnot changed it of "Tornambene" no newspapers have anything stating a death by that name Within in the last 30 days .. So i know this may not be a "concrete answer" but my father does geneology (sp) andi used his national database search to do this with. If she has in fact passed away Sal you have my condolences. Now as Ms.Teresa stated why would one of you had time to post numerous for sale adds in KS classifieds but yet couldnt simply reply to chris about this death ? why did you knowingly send Kris a bogus tracking number that more then one of us checked with all major carriers USPS,UPS,FED EX,Airborne / DHL and it showed to be bogus , and why would it be back there with you if you had sent it out to start with ? see Sal & Allison the reason you have encountered so many HARSH critics is due to the multitude of lies you cast out in the air.if i am correct it was 2 weeksago that you told him it was shipped? did you do the show you were going to and couldnt get back with him?how many cages did you take there ? was Kris's cage one you took there if you did go ? see there just way to many "What Ifs" here what if you would have sent his cage out when it was supposed to be sent ? what if you had refunded his money when you were supposed to have refunded it ? what if what if what if ?what if this is just a way to try to save face on the whole fiasco .What if Kris had not emailed you to the fact he filed suit with KS & the FBI fraud department? would you have been so fast to reply about the turn of events?so i must say i agree if you say this truely did happen what if you were to show proof? then you could truely say SEE you heartless people !but then the 1 +1 still doesnt equal 2 here due to the fact that you were using KS to post numerous ads let me ask you how many did you get from me ? i emailed you from you KS ads?
some things that the outsiders see may not be so visible by you two. please clear the air for us all ?
 
Rozann,
You are very welcome for the T-shirt.

My Husband and I are very proud of the business we own. He and I do go out of our way to make sure that customers get the best from us, from our products, from our animals. We try to make sure that we treat our customers the way we would like to be treated if it were us.

I am also very proud to be part of this community, the Reptile community. I have met alot of very nice people and made a great many friends. People who share the same values like quality, integrity, and honesty.

Because we are a community, not only does what my Husband and I do as a business impact us, but it impacts the community as a whole. The same goes for Upstate. What they do impacts the community as a whole. So when they lie, cheat and steal from people, not only do they hurt themselves, but they turn customers against the reptile community as a whole. In escense, they make us ALL look bad.

Now I know you have read the posts reguarding them so you know they have consistantly lied. It is all there in black and white(or green as the case may be). They have lied so many times that nothing they say can be believed. The sad fact is, that when I first read that Sal's mother died, my first thought was "what a lousy excuse, probably a lie". Now, is that a nice thing to think? No. Would I have thought that if Upstate was honest and reputable? Definately not. So whose attitude is really the concern here? Mine or theirs?

And do I care if Upstate is angry because I think that? Oh heavens no, they brought it upon themselves by their own actions.

Life happens to everyone and even death is a part of it. But it does not excuse a business from its responsibilities. They still needed to take care of their customers, at least the ones that already paid. Did they do that? No. Is this a pattern they have shown in the past? Over and over again.
 
You stupid mother [bleep]er.....

I hope everyone of you that is getting your kicks off this suffers like the diry heartless bastards you are...

You didn't find her listed you sick [bleep] b/c for one she doesn't live in NY. She lived in Pennsylvania. And you didn't find Tornambene b/c my mother remarried....her name married name is Mangiaracina...Her maiden name Mendez...

I hope you burn in hell and feel like your making me feel now.
 
Wendy, thank you for the clarification. I can respect an answer such as that. I believe it was more the sarcasism that got to me.
IMO whether they have lied or not, if there was a close death in the family I will have sympathy, and I believe there was. It amounts to feelings and everyone hurts at times.
I would like some answers too, the answers that Terese stated or some that Alan stated. As stated though, if the buyer is understanding of what happened I will wait until emotions get under control for those answers.
By the way, Wendy, Chams love the cage, need more.
 
Just a thought

Depending on what kind of e-mail program Upstate uses (since they do web design and hosting I would only assume that they have a highspeed connection, making their progam be outlook or something similar....) There is an "out of office" autoreply feature.

When my wife was in the hospital giving birth (other side of the spectrum) I utilzed this little tool to tell people that I would be "out of the office" and couldn't reply to their e-mails.

Would it have been so had for Upstate to do this if they were putting business on hold during the funeral?

I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that Sal's mother really did pass.

WHY did Upsate continue to post ads?
WHY did they not respond to e-mails?
WHY did they not respond to this thread?

Just wondering
Todd
 
Who is getting kicks?

No one is making light of the fact that you may have lost your mother. As Wendy pointed out, the fact that you were not readily believed about this occurring is, well, understandable based on your history. I have a friend that had an addiction problem. During that time, he would lie to me about virtually anything if it furthered his cause, and sometimes the stories were outrageous. It was horrible to have to doubt everything that came out of his mouth, but I did.....because I had reason to. That's kind of where your credibility is on this forum. Sad, yes.... but you're responsible for the fact that most people consider you capable of lying about something as serious as the death of your mother.

Now, if you're done damning people to hell, please go back to the questions that I asked of you before:

Why did you have time to post new ads before handling Kris' situation?

Why is the enclosure back with you? Was it ever shipped? What was the correct tracking number? You knew the tracking number was wrong the day you sent it to Kris, because it was posted here, I ran it, and it came up as invalid. I posted that to the thread immediately. You were online at that time and when I checked, you were on that thread. I made note of it, because you had mentioned to Kris that you'd be away at a show and it would be hard to reach you.

So, Sal's mother passing is certainly a situation that would explain why you couldn't handle things for those days. However, it doesn't address why you couldn't handle things *before* or *after*.
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Appeals to indignation don't work with me. I could honestly care less what Sal & Allison's excuse is, they're actions are very telling indeed.

1) "We haven't been on top of emails..." Hmm... yet you've been able to post over a dozen ads this past weekend. Seems to me that the death of a family member would be important enough to put placing new ads and soliciting new business on hold, yet it apparently wasn't. So, new victims were sought, and those that already paid were ignored. It's intriguing that you only replied after Kris had to contact law enforcement about you.

2) "I have the enclosure back here" Interesting that this directly contradicts the story that it was shipped. Then again, the tracking number was never in UPS's system, so it's no surprise that it's been sitting there all along.

3) "Once the money order is out tomorrow I will shoot you an email." So why a money order? Kris paid via PayPal, remember?

Uposate gave themselves an interest-free loan, at Kris' expense. They tied up his money for over a month, and he has to pay interest on it to the credit card issuer. Even if Upsate refunds the amount Kris paid them (ten to one the money order is "lost in the mail"), he still loses money on the deal.
 
I'll also state that I don't doubt that Sal's mother died, but their actions by posting 17 new ads negates their excuse that they weren't able to keep on top of emails. If you have time to post ads, you have time to answer emails.

Pardon the numerous typos in my previous reply.
 
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