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If anyone has ever delt with them or "Upstate Exotics" could you please E-MAIL me ASAP. I ordered (2) 12 units from them. Everything seems to be going normally, but I usually get a bit worried whenevr I spend $1200 or so. My e-mail is:
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Thanx to all as usual, Vinny Ferraiolo "Off The Ark Exotic Pets" in Virginia.
 
Vinny,

Click on the "Search" tab that's on the opening page of the BOI. Type Upstate in the box grab a cup of coffee (no caffeine preferred ;) ) and hit enter.

Regards
 
aka Upstate Exotics

Well hope it comes out ok ... but i would say you might have good reasons to be worried ESP with $1200 on the line there is a search button but be prepaired to get a knot in your stomach when you get the results.... there was just a fiasco with them and another member here a few weeks ago. they ended up getting the money back but was severly strung along in the process. hope this turns out well for you but theres a urge it may go south. just from past expereince with them and there buisness ways . Again hope this goes well for you
 
Good Luck

Hey,

I've seen Upstate Exotics posted on this forum many times and nothing good has been mentioned about them. Hopefully, they've cleaned up their act and will get your order out the door. It's a little late, but you should've searched here first before spending that kind of money with them. You know the bean farm produces enclosures from melamine as well.

Good luck with everything...

Peter F.
 
Let's be fair. The enclosures might arrive alive and free of diseases. :D

Seriously, let us know how the deal goes. And does anyone know what the relationship is between the two businesses? One in the same, or does Upstate just sell the enclosures for them?
 
UPDATE!

I have communicated with Sal and Neil Gubitz from the Tampa Snake Pit. They both seem genuine and I have no worries so far outside the usual I am paying someone a lot of money that lives far away to build and ship and incredibly important object for my new business to actually begin.
 
Vinny,

I certainly hope everything goes fine with your purchase. You asked a question in your first thread but it seems you haven't done your homework! Go to the opening page of the BOI. You will see five tabs as follow:

Home | User CP | Members | Search | Logout

Click on the search tab (second from the right)

You will be prompted to type a keyword to do a search. Type the keyword (you can choose from either Upstate or Gubitz) in the empty box below the following message:

FaunaClassifieds Forums Search Engine
Search By Keyword

Now either hit enter or click on the search tab. Then do the same for Gubitz.

Best of lucks!
 
Homework

I did the searches but I just don't know the people making the claims. I read the BOI everyday but rarely add to it. I like to be on the outsiude and learn what I can. The last year or so I have noticed many "whinning" episodes and I have seen the BOI turn into The National Enquirer. I may get burned and I have been burned before, but so far I have had numerous contacts with BOTH Sal and Neil and the deal is going smoothly. Anyone can rip you off as long as the distance is in between but I go to New York all the time and know where enclosures is located. It's not fool proof but the police there would be interested in any complaints.
 
Vinny,

It's good you found the information you were looking for. The BOI has thus served it's purpose, in spite of your feelings about it's change during the last year. Let's hope you will be able to live up to your moto "Tu controli il verme". ;)

Kindly,
 
My Motto

You understand my motto? Do you speak Italian? My grandmother had that saying based on interstinal worms. I still feel confident about the deal and will post pics and evidence when it is all over.

Safe to say that it is a VISA deal and they always handle any problems fairly. I have confidence in them too.
 
Vinny,

Enough to tell you "faccia molto attenzione nei vostri affari futuri".

Buona fortuna! :D
 
Vinny,
I am happy indeed that you have done your homework. And to the fullest I might add.
I have also seen the change on the BOI, do not judge it too harshly as it still serves a purpose. You just have to get past the pages and pages of peoples opinions without having ever dealt with the company in question. Basically, get down the the real stuff of the people actually affected.
I have done business of late with Upstate, it had some kinks but all turned out very well. I will not post the whole transaction because sadly, it will be picked apart, and it would be picked apart by those who have not even done business with them.
Hope all goes well, let us know how it turns out. :)
 
Picking Apart

I understand what you mean. A late delivery, an animal wiuth 1 less band or stripe and a $2 light broken can blow up like a teenage relationship. The BOI is more a horoscope of ambiguity with the truth still there if you have the time and desire to look for it. Thanx to everyone. I will post EXACTLY what happens when the deal is done. I know, as Stardust said, there will still be those that look for the hidden beast.
 
Don't be too critical of the BOI. You just sent $1200 to Upstate Exotics so there's a good chance you're going to need it.
I sincerely hope that your transaction goes well but there's usually no need to search for the hidden beast with Sal and Allison....you'll find it whether you want to or not.
 
agreed

while the BOI does have a lot of microscopes in it ... they are usally needed . When some one has a bad deal no matter how petty it may sound to others ... does a bad deal of a broken bulb make it anyless important when it isnt resolved then ordering cages that never come ? Not every bad deal i will agree to some point is at bad as it " looks from the outside" but none the less a bad deal is a bad deal is a bad deal... when people come and ask about a person / compnay etc they get answers ... now granted it may not be the one they like or look forward to getting but none the less its the answer at hand that either saves some one the heartache of loosing hard earned money. While Both parties in your post mentioned ( Sal & Allison /Neil Gubitz) have had there share of contradictory deals made in the herp world so when questions are asked about those names dont be critical when answers are given . When a deal made with those names go smoothly by all means POST THEM when they go BAD POST THEM then that will add to the pages for the next buyer to thumb through to make there own informed descision. But when one is made and the deal goes south esp. after a post is made of them and there practices the ones that forwarn are the ones who seem to be made the bad guy for pointing out the " hidden lil things" In mu opinion the little things add up to a big thing when there made repeatedly by that person . If that person shows after several transactins that they are making changes in there oldways maybe the ones of here that criticize can be easier going when there numerous posts of deals gone good after there bad ones add up. As with anything in life when you ask questions about anything you will get more then one answer its upto to you as the consumer to take all the grains of salt and weight them out to make the best choice you can with the answers /evidence presented to you.


Hope it all goes well for you Vinnie just keep in mind one thing dont be hard on the ones that people think jump the band wagon on bad deals here as i would venture to say that 80% of the time there were in one way or the other right in there answers given. No matter how small there 'nitpicking" seemed to be as i said the little things do add up to big ones .. Its kind of like having a little white lie told to you .. one isnt a "big thing" but when theres alot of them and you look back those little white lies can be just a peice of the big picture ..
Good luck
 
I do agree with you for the most part Alan, though as always there is a flip side. The flip side is a poster who posts something good on what people consider a totally "bad guy thread".
The good post gets ripped apart, it drudges up bad threads in with it and ends with some saying, well you got lucky.
Lets face it, a bad guy thread is just more interesting to some, something they can sink their teeth into so to speak. Why just accept a good guy post when you can turn it back into a bad guy one?
The BOI is great, I will always come here to search. I know though very well I have to search through tons of weeds that grow into man eating plants just to FIND what I am looking for.
I do understand why people just forget about going through all the paperwork.
I am not going to re open the upstate thread to post my experience, shame it is an interesting one. I have learned and don't feel like defending myself or upstate in a 50 page thread.
Again good luck Vinny, hope it all turns out for you.
 
Vinny, It is a rule on this forum that you have your full name on each and every post. Without it, your posts carry little weight and run the risk of being deleted. Just click on "User CP" then "Edit Profile" and add your full name to your profile or signature block.


Requarding the subject, does anyone else have this feeling of Deja vou?
 
Stardust said:

Lets face it, a bad guy thread is just more interesting to some, something they can sink their teeth into so to speak. Why just accept a good guy post when you can turn it back into a bad guy one?
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I don't see anybody doing that here. I see someone posting an INQUIRY after having risked $1200. I see people pointing that person to the other threads on the dealer. I think that's the responsible thing to to. Sal and Allison have made enough posts here for their own words to be used as a basis to judge them, regardless of any other posts on the subject. If anyone decides to do business with them despite what they've read, that's that person's choice. That person can then report their findings back.

But don't forget, this person posted asking for opinions. My opinion was that if it was drygoods, at least they can't kill it, and I'm curious as to how the transaction will go. I personally wouldn't deal with them, but since I haven't dealt with them, that's all I felt like offering in the way of an opinion.

Other people may feel like they have to expand on what was done previously, to give their interpretations of events and their opinions on what constitutes a good or bad dealer. That's OK too. Apparently, you don't like that type of post. Well, it's an open forum. If you post a good experience with someone, and another poster doesn't feel that your experience is necessarily representative of how the dealer in question does business, or wants to post conjecture about the motives behind the good deal, that's up to them. As long as they don't cross the line into personal insults (like, "you're stupid to trust X" or the like), then they're entitled to post. I personally don't like pure conjecture, b/c it creates a bad signal to noise ratio, but I think most folks can seperate the fact from opinion. And most of the time, the bad dealer does their own reputation far more harm than any third party commentary ever could.
 
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