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Erik Stoops. Center for Reptile and Amphibian research bad guy so far.

Ok Greg some simple questions that may help you...


Was the deal cash for your animal or trade?
Did you receive any, part, or all of the money?
Did you deliver the animal first without payment?
Did you try and get your money he owed you?
What was the outcome?

Simple stuff like this will due...just tell about what the deal was and what the outcome was and that will be satisfactory for people.

Hope this helps a bit...
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Ok Greg some simple questions that may help you...


Was the deal cash for your animal or trade?
cash
Did you receive any, part, or all of the money?
part. a deposit.
Did you deliver the animal first without payment?
sadly, yes.
Did you try and get your money he owed you?
yes. he gave me some bs about his 'lawyers' or just ignored me.
What was the outcome?
Claimed animals died only to have them show up on his website.


That's it for me. Just want to help people that might be duped in the future. Thanks.
:thumbsup:
 
archangel said:
That's it for me. Just want to help people that might be duped in the future. Thanks.
:thumbsup:

Greg

In all honesty and with no insult intended, you have simply come off as a flake making unsupported accusations. You will not supply details and refuse to answer questions. Your participation will not aid anyone in the future because you have not actually participated.

What you have posted so far means nothing and will be ignored by all.

It's a shame really if you actually had a bad transaction, we would all like to hear the details.
 
nora said:
I kinda figured since 501(c)(3) organizations like Habitat for Humanity, Goodwill, RedCross, etc.. they're exempt from federal tax laws n so forth...

The Center clearly isnt a non profit club.... so im in the same boat as matt.. they gotta be somehow turning profit somewhere.. cuz Don the "collections manager" stated that they're at a profit loss from this transaction therefore they're suing Michael... that doesnt make sense. Then again.. whats a company that doesnt turn profit doing with a "collections manager" ???

He manages the collection?

I know everybody assumed another meaning, but this one makes more sense in the herp context.
 
LOL Loyd, maybe he manages a number of collections Quote/ "I'm the collections manager of the Center" /Quote
 
a collections manager.. yanno one of those people who call and annoy you because you owe money on a bill that's never been paid in full from 2 years ago ie debt collector. but more stupid and more annoying.
 
Hey Michael,

Any update on this unfortunate deal? Has Erik decided to do what's legally and morally right and pay you? BTW...why after 4 months didn't you receive payment yet?
 
Matt... Michael didnt get paid because Erik's collections manager doesnt know how to do his job properly.... ;)
 
I would like to know why Erik isn't here talking about this stuff himself. And also...Michael didn't you mention you never got proof that your animal died? No pics? No necropsy report with pics of your specific animal? Nothing? How do you know it really died?

So in todays ever crumbling society someone just has to say something died and never prove it and then they don't have to pay you? Where do I sign up for that deal! I wonder if Greg ever got pics of his 'dead' Boelens. Greg if you are still reading this thread...did you ever get any pics of your dead snake...I mean after it died of course?
 
Hey, I am, back Been out of town for a bit...
To all associates or former associates of the center. I do apologize if this thread is causing you problems.
Its really is ashamed it has come to this. All I ever wanted is to get paid for what I sent to Erik.The true loser on this thread is the Large number of Bolens Pythons that have died. From Claims of the "Center" all 4 of the bolens I sent them are dead,The two Greg sent Bolens are dead, and the others ones Erik got from Cameron are dead.are there others we dont know about??? How many Bolens did it take to make 1 pilot episode of the chronicles write a book not yet published . And make a web site.
Personally I am aghast.
 
All I ever wanted is to get paid for what I sent to Erik.
Should anyone expect anything different? That's called good business practice...when you get a product and actually pay for it...anything else is really lame. What a crazy concept huh!

I hope people see the pattern...
 
Ballroom said:
Hey, I am, back Been out of town for a bit...
To all associates or former associates of the center. I do apologize if this thread is causing you problems.
Its really is ashamed it has come to this. All I ever wanted is to get paid for what I sent to Erik.The true loser on this thread is the Large number of Bolens Pythons that have died. From Claims of the "Center" all 4 of the bolens I sent them are dead,The two Greg sent Bolens are dead, and the others ones Erik got from Cameron are dead.are there others we dont know about??? How many Bolens did it take to make 1 pilot episode of the chronicles write a book not yet published . And make a web site.
Personally I am aghast.

If all of those snakes died in the hands of EriK Stoops and his associates then it is a good thing that he solicited the assistance of 24 REAL Bolens Keepers to write that book for him.
 
Sorry haven't checked this in a few days. RE: what GHI asked, when told that the animals had died, I said I would come get the corpses. Erik, (sounding panicked) told me he was far too busy traveling the world in support of some imaginary project to do that for me, and referred me to Ari. Ari then told me to talk to Erik.Back and forth etc.
Having spent alot of time with my boelens before trusting ari and erik with them, it was easy to spot them on the 'center's website.

Maybe Erik should sell some of his Ferraris and maybe even his het for albino Chondro and pay us all back so he might have a chance to redeem himself in the herp community. :D
 
I said I would come get the corpses. Erik, (sounding panicked) told me he was far too busy traveling the world in support of some imaginary project to do that for me, and referred me to Ari. Ari then told me to talk to Erik.Back and forth etc.
So you never saw your snakes he claimed died, Michael never saw his snake he claimed died, and you basically weren't even allowed to see your dead snake? So in a nutshell...both of you guys sent animals to Erik...he claims they died...even months later...he refuses to pay for them...and you are not even allowed to see the dead bodies, pics of the bodies, necropsy reports, or anything? I still want in on that gig!
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles Mike... It's a real shame!

After reading this thread I've come to a couple of conclusions...

1) Always had a feeling that this CFAR was a front for something else, something never settled right with me about them, seemed fake....

2) If someone is SO adamit about conserving reptile species, then you would think that they would learn about husbandry after killing off 20 or so $3,000 snakes. 20 x $3,000 only equals $60,000. After dropping that much cash on 20 specimens, I would declare myself dumb as a box of hammers and give up! and try to breed rats instead.

2.5) But then again, One might be ripping people off and keeping the animals alive in a seller under the CFAR building, so that one can claim that's he's a successful breeder of Boelens.... Well if you need 20 pairs to be successful, then I'd say your about as sharp as a bowling ball...

3) Erik is a rich brat and someone should piss in his corn flakes...

4) I was given a CFAR shirt at a local show once.. I recently went down stairs after drinking a few beers, I proceeded to piss on it and then burned it in my Weber smoker grill... ( Wife's mad now cause somethings not right with the grill.)

Erik.... You have what's coming to you and I hope they forget to give you a reach around.

Brandon...
 
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