Bad Guy Evan Stahl

[Joeseph]

I placed a order for a chinese king ratsnake with Evan on 12/2/2013 and on Weds December 4 I received what I though was the snake in question. Turns out Evan had mistakenly sent me someones tarantula order by mistake. That same day I had to come home from work after my old lady called and called him. I then re packed his spiders with a new heat pack and shipped them out within a few hours. (receipt of the return shipment attached). After the misunderstanding I decided to order a second snake from Evan on 12/6/2012 with the understanding they're be shipped when weather permitted sometime within the next week. One 12/10/2012 I had gotten in contact with Evan and it appeared that the weather wasn't going to permit shipping so I asked for a refund and was denied. On 12/18/2012 I left town for the holidays and was going to be gone for awhile so although I wasn't able to get through to him over the telephone I had my bank submit a charge back for "items unsent" one 12/19/2012 while in ohio( I live in Sacramento Ca) I received a notice from UPS that there was a due for delivery the following day. I called Evan and had the package stopped.
On 12/21/2012 paypal informed me that my Credit union had filed the charge back as a Unauthorized Purchase Code S5 and contaced Evans local law enforcement and that they had locked both pay pal accounts. I reactivated my pay pal account and contacted my Credit union and tried to have them change the dispute from "Unauthorized purchase/Charge" code S5 TO items not sent/received Code S30 but it had already been put through. on 1/3/2013 I was told via my bank and to get the pending charges dropped was to cancle the chargebacks. I have done so and have provided Evan Stahl with clips from my checking showing the smaller of the two charges as having been reversed yet all I get when trying to explain to him that the money is on its way to being returned to him is yelled at and called a cunt. 90% of our transaction has taken place over the phone. My bank screwed up and processed my request wrong and in my attempt to salvage it and cover both of our backs I have been met with nothing but insults and curseing. I will speak with my credit union monday and acquire signed copies of the affidavit I used to cancle the charge backs. Until then I only have attachments from the online conversations. I have informed him of this post and my complaint filed with
BBB of Detroit & Eastern Michigan
26777 Central Park Blvd.
Suite 100
Southfield, MI 48076-4163
Phone: (248)223-9400
Fax: (248)356-5156
Email Address: [email protected]
Website: www.easternmichiganbbb.org

According to the BBB they will be contacting him shortly.

 

[Joeseph]

I will be posting more as soon as I get it all organized. Bottom line is the deal went bad and I tried to explain to him I couldn't be home at his convenience being as the holidays require me to be elsewhere. I understand that he can only ship during December if the weather permits it but that wasn't going to work for me. I also understand it takes time for the process to be reverse and the funds to get sent back to the man, but I have proof it is/has happened. I will call pay pal on monday and verify if he received the lesser charge of $75. I don't appreciate or think anyone should have to contend with being called a c*unt because my financial institution fumbled the paper work and I can't be home when the weather permits him to ship to me without first confirming with me that i'll be home to receive the package.

 

[Joeseph]

Confirmation that the one chargeback transaction was completed on 1/3/2013

 

[Joeseph]

reversed Provisional credit. The Second transaction will be reversed sometime next week I would imagine being as it is the weekend.

 

[evansnakes]

I think its funny that when people post on this board they always leave out big chunks of what happened. There is absolutely NO reason for this thread, as the buyer has been informed, I DO NOT HAVE A CENT OF HIS MONEY.

1) UPS mistakenly shipped my spiders to him. when they check out packages they must have put the wrong airbill back on the package. He did send them back to me 100% AT MY EXPENSE and it was great when they arrived and somebody had put some kind of chemical in the box, which I get hit with a nice big whif of the instant I opened the box. It killed a bunch of the spiders and within 2 days they were all dead. The buyer said it did not smell like that when he got it, so then he or his wife put it there. I did nothing about that, just bit my lip.

2) He asked for a request when the forecast clearly showed and I told him there was an upcoming window of opportunity to ship and in fact I had his animals packed and delivered to UPS and he received notice via email from ups that the animals had been shipped. Without telling me he had already filed fraud charges with his bank claiming, in his banks own words, that I used his credit card without authorization and committed a felony, even though he paid through paypal and I have not ever had any access to his info. When I got pissed off at him because he LIED and accused me of crimes just to get his refund, he then asked the bank to change it to a not received complaint. I went to ups and picked up the snakes, after I CALLED HIM to make sure he know they were on the way. He told me on the phone, "I wont accept them. If you ship them they will die." Nice.

3) the bank took his money back from paypal. paypal took the money back from me. I do not have one cent of his money. paypal reversed all charges I received and told him they decided in his favor. you would think that would be enough. BUT NO, he is now harassing me, calling my house 5 times in an hour and messaging me on facebook, wanting me to pay his money back!!! He even went so far as to bill me for the money through paypal!

I will be very cautious of the rules of this board so as not to but heads with you again Rich, but there is absolutely no reason for this thread. He lied to his bank, he lied to paypal and he got 100% of his money back from me, I even sent him copies of paypal notice that I lost the case and the funds were refunded dates 12-31-13 when he is saying that his date is 12-18 or something. I am sick of this guys lies and BS! He filed fraud charges against me when I did nothing wrong. I am not going to ever talk to him or do anything for him. I told him I have no money of his and he needs to talk to paypal and his bank. HE took the case out of my hands and now that he is having problems with his bank he wants me to help him. Well I am sorry, but after what he has done to me he is on his own!

 

[evansnakes]

I am sorry, I said "he asked for a request" on point 2 it should say he asked for refund

 

[Joeseph]

You don't have my money as of yet I am still waiting on pay pal to confirm if you have received the $75 that was processed back to you or if that'll happen next week, but in order to get my credit union not to press improperly accused fraud charges. I had to have the chargebacks reversed and void the both chargebacks. Like I told you over facebook, I am simply telling you that you "will" have my funds within a short amount of time being as the credit union fumbled it and filed the chargebacks incorrectly.

 

[evansnakes]

I don't care. After what you did I am done with you. You chose to go to the bank and to paypal, so straighten it out with them. You have NO business with me. You have NO reason to contact or harass me! Why did you need to call 5 times in an hour? And even after I told you not to call me that I was in an important meeting and would not answer the phone, you called again! You filed with two companies accusing me of theft and fraud. You are a liar! Now that things have backfired on you, now you want me to help you because screwing me over didn't work the way you thought it would? Sure, lets do that. I don't think so. As I said, and I mean it, talk to the bank and paypal, not me. And I am considering filing a police report for your fake fraud complaint. And contacting the better business bureau?? what do they have to do with anything?

 

[evansnakes]

"You don't have my money as of yet"
but you still sent me a payment request for the money!!!

 

[evansnakes]

and I will ask again, how do I deserve a bad guy thread over this mess that you made?

 

[Joeseph]

You sent me someone else's package, refused to work with me on getting my money refunded or setting up a shipping date that worked for both parties. Tried to ship the animals right after I had attempted to reclaim the funds without verifying I would even be there. I never accused you of fraud my bank did that all on their own and when I found out they were going to press charges I exercised the only option available to insure that they didn't. The money will be returned to you shortly. If you can't resolve it in a civil manner I will inform the BBB and they will be submitting doing their own report.

 

[evansnakes]

Lies. And you don't know what you talking about. I am not a member of the BBB and they are a private company not a government agency. They have no power to do anything. You need to talk to your bank and paypal. Why you keep avoiding them I cant figure out and by the way, I shipped your animals after I told you I would via phone and net and I had no idea you filed for a refund until I called you and you told me that you filed for a refund. How would I know? Your bank doesn't tell me. they went to paypal. The first contact I got from paypal was a day or two after I talked to you. I wont "work to you" to help you because I DONT HAVE YOUR MONEY LIAR! and like I said, your bank told paypal that you initiated fraud charges Knowing exactly what you were doing and the only reason you dropped them is because your money was refunded and I could have had you ARRESTED!!!

 

[Lucille]

Without telling me he had already filed fraud charges with his bank claiming, in his banks own words, that I used his credit card without authorization and committed a felony, even though he paid through paypal and I have not ever had any access to his info. When I got pissed off at him because he LIED and accused me of crimes just to get his refund, he then asked the bank to change it to a not received complaint.

I would like the OP to establish a timeline with bank and Paypal documents. Critical is whether the not sent or without authorization came first.
It seems as if the OP ordered a snake and because the weather was inauspicious demanded a refund. What is Evan's TOS, or was there a written agreement saying that the OP could have a refund if the snake could not be shipped in December?
I certainly hope the OP can prove that the 'without authorization' was not of his doing, that is a serious charge to make.

 

[evansnakes]

Lucille, you can read in the op's posts in the beginning where he said that he understood that it may be a while before they shipped because the weather was a big concern for me here, and that he was fine with that, but then changed his mind when he decided to go out of town for a few days, so without telling me he then filed fraud charges to get his money back because he knew that paypal would not give his money back if they knew it was live animals involved. That is why he did it.

 

[Joeseph]

I did authorize the payment, I am not going to argue that. However I am still out of town and unable to receive shipments.. Will be home for 3 days as of the 7th then gone for a month. I never accused him of fraud, my bank screwed up the processing so I had to end the claim to put that accusation to rest.
My problem is despite me telling him the funds are going to be on their way to his pay pal, I am called a liar and even after showing evidence have repeatedly had him drop the F bomb and call me a C*unt.


I will file with the Better Business Bureau of Detroit & Eastern Michigan and will most likely file a f3949a at their suggestion. I will be in contact with pay pal on monday to confirm that he has or is receiving payment. My bank has already confirmed that they have reversed the chargebacks as illustrated by my bank account statement. So far they have only posted one reversal but I did sign two seperate affidavits for both of them so he will be having both payments re credited to his account.

 

[Joeseph]

I have copies of the original charge back forms submitted to schools. I checked the correct reasoning on it and yet my credit union still messed it up. There is no way he wound up with my credit card information it was a fault of my financial institution submitting the form using the wrong chargeback code.

 

[Lucille]

I never accused him of fraud, my bank screwed up the processing

Show proof. A written letter from your bank will do. It is an important enough issue that just telling us will not do, especially when proof will be easy to acquire.
It looks like you helped yourself to a refund, OP. A refund that maybe should not have happened. Depending on the understanding and TOS, you could have waited and instead Evan has been jerked around when he has done nothing do deserve this treatment.

 

[SofaKing]

I don't know either party, but I do have to side with Evan on this.

Joeseph, It seems that you made this situation what it is.

Evan mistakenly sent you the wrong animal and he paid for the returned shipment. Then you decided to purchase another animal and decided to get a refund before you went on vacation. Evan didn't give you a refund as quickly as you wanted so you filed a claim with Paypal. So why did you go through your bank also? That doesn't make sense!

Seems like you made this situation what it is by being impatient or having " buyers remorse ".

Then to put salt on the wound, your going to file with the BBB on Evan?

 

[Joeseph]

Bank isn't open on sundays and I am 3000 miles away. I doubt they'd give me a copy of the affidavit for cancellation over the phone being as it had to be notarized and sent to them certified mail while here. I did obtain copies of the forms submitted for the chargeback when arguing with them over the reason as to why it was submitted in the first place. I take pictures but for now that is the best I can do. The lady at the credit union froze my accounts because they had believed my card had been stolen.

 

[laterob]

This is a mess, that's for sure.

Joeseph, please post those two chargeback forms that show you filled them out correctly as soon as you can.

Were these trips (this trip?) unexpected? If you are gone for a few more weeks, it seems like an odd time to buy a snake.