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Bad Guy EVAN STAHL

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My name is Ryan Riggleman. On January 27th 2014 I ordered a pair of spotnose ball pythons from Evan Stahl, with the understanding that he would hold them til weather warmed up to allow safe shipping. Then around the end of March once I noticed that there were going to be some breaks in the weather I started trying to make contact with him via email to see if we could start making plans to ship. When email went unanswered, I started trying to make contact by phone. I called him on the following dates and times, it's logged on my phone: 4/1/14 2:45 pm, 4/8/14 11:33 am & 5:41 pm and the final attempt at calling was 4/9/14 5:13 pm. During this time, I was also trying to find him on Facebook, but for some reason his profile wasn't showing up in my searches. Since he wasn't responding to my voicemails or emails I filed a dispute with Paypal, knowing it would be denied because it was past the 45 day limit, in an effort to get his attention. I then got an email from him saying "emails keep bouncing back". That was on April 3rd.Then I didn't hear from him again. I had posted a thread on ball-pythons.net asking about the guy ( I will provide a link to that thread ), and on 4/9/14 a user named sho220 provided me with a link to Evan's Facebook page. I immediately made contact with Evan. He got right back to me and said that he had been busy and would arrange shipping very shortly. Then he went silent again. I made contact with him again on the 17th, and he said if weather permitted he would ship, I then provided a link to his local forecast for the next week and mentioned that it looked like there could be a couple of good days on his end, and got no response. On the 21st I sent him a message on Facebook asking how things were looking on his end. No response. So, yesterday, April 25th, I was pissed and feeling like I had been scammed, so I left a post publicly on his wall saying that he had terrible customer service, didn't return calls or emails. Within minutes my post was deleted and I got a profanity laden personal message. He said he would refund my money Monday to which I replied "Good, I will take my business elsewhere and if my money isn't refunded Monday I will be calling my credit card company". He then said I was making threats, told me to go through my credit card company, not to contact him again or it would be considered harassment. I told him I wasn't making threats, but I wasn't going to just sit back and let him screw me. His response was "I've never screwed anybody, talk to your credit card company, goodbye". He then posts on the ball-python.net thread and calls me a liar, then tells blatant lies ( including saying that he offered to ship on this coming Monday, and as the screenshots will prove, he NEVER did) and half truths, to which I responded with the truth and the proof to back it up.

The link to the thread on ball-pythons.net : http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?212446-Question-for-you-all

Screenshots of our entire interaction on Facebook. The profanity laden message from Evan was in response to me posting on his wall about terrible customer service, and that's when things went sour:

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A screenshot of when he said the emails keep bouncing back:

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It is my opinion that this guy should be avoided like a plague.

As per his request, I have contacted my credit card company, and will provide them with all documentation if necessary.
 
So he goes to your thread on another site and calls you a liar. I guess his next step would be to come to this thread to prove it.
 
This post is garbage. There is no issues, no deal, nothing. This is a person that I had to tell repeatedly even after I told them the weather would not work for shipping this winter, even after I told them to view the weather forecast for themselves because they did not believe that I was telling them the truth when we had 1' of snow and it was 10 degrees here, even after i posted pictures of the snow at my house, still had to explain why I could not ship constantly. Still have to keep explaining that their email goes to my spam folder and/or I don't always get them. This is a person who after they sent me a half dozen messages through my facebook page (that I replied to) posted on another site that they had no idea that I had a facebook page and could not contact me. This is a person who wonders why I did not return their phone call when I was out to eat with my family and they needed to call my home FIVE times in 2-3 hours.

You don't own me because you sent me a couple hundred dollars. I offered them a shipping date and had something very serious come up and could not do it. They then posted on MY facebook page and on another site "I'm pretty pissed that I have apparently been scammed" out of his money. He went and filed for a refund with paypal and when they declined to refund his money he then acted like my buddy and said "I knew they wouldn't refund my money" and I offered to ship the animals tomorrow as I have half a dozen shipment going out tomorrow but he kept being a jerk so I told him I would refund his money, then he also posted that he would go file a claim with his credit card company. So go do it.

You do not post a nasty post about somebody on their facebook page. You don't post on other sites just to spiteful. He also never notified me of this post or the one on the other site because there is nothing to achieve here except to be vengeful. I have shipped to about 30 customer since the weather broke here and they have all been very happy with the animals and service. It is my money, my time, my food, my labor that takes care of the animals for 3-4 months when it is too cold for them to be shipped. I am not keeping them because I want to. It is much more efficient and less expensive for me to ship them much sooner, but if the weather does not cooperate I am not shipping. My first and main concern is the animals. Simple.

So as for this thread, there is nothing. Nothing but another impatient customer who has to have what they want when they want it and with live animals it is not always going to be that way. he thinks this thread is a way to punish me because he did not get what he wanted. Sorry, after you insult me on my facebook page, after you call me a thief, after you call me a liar, after you file for a refund with talking to me, we are not going to be buddies. You are telling people that I have not shipped to you in months, but there has been less than 2 weeks that the weather has permitted me to ship and in those 2 weeks I have 6 available to me and out of those 6 days 2 the weather was bad, 1 had an appointment that could not be moved and the rest of the time I had a family issue that required my attention. That is it. So Monday would have been the day. So now it is done.
 
You aren't too bright are you Evan? If you look at the date that sho220 posted the link to your fb page and the date of the very first time I contacted you, they are the same...because, your page wasn't coming up in my searches, I was getting a couple of other Evan Stahl's that obviously weren't you. You never showed me any pics of snow at your house either, not that thay really matters. I have provided proof to back up all of my claims....you haven't. End of story.

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Oh, and if my email goes to your spam folder, shouldn't you have had enouhh sense to check the little "not spam" icon that I'm prerty sure EVERY email client has, since it was coming from a paid customer and all???

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Screw yourself buddy, I have no "story" you do because you are the one trying to sell a false picture of events. I don't need a "story". I am done with you. You are right, you are genius! You want to improve your bargaining position with somebody so me on my facebook page. You post on another site, that has nothing to do with anything and you lie to make yourself look better. It has not been 3 months that I have not shipped to you. It has been 2 weeks. And just like I told you, there are more important things in life than shipping reptiles. I had something much more important than you and your spotnose. Sorry, that is life. You obviously want to think you are the center of the universe but you are just like everybody else and when you get mad and have a little temper tantrum because you don't get what you want when you want it you come to sites like this and do this. I am done. There is NO deal between us, nothing. You said you wanted to go to your credit card company and said you do that. That is the final note on you. good bye
 
Regardless of family issues, weather, etc, communication should stay open.

From the screenshots the OP has posted, it looks like you were extremely hard to get a hold of, Evan. I don't think anybody is doubting that you had good intentions or that the weather was bad or that you had other things going on, but you had his money, so he had good reason to feel nervous.

Maybe the post calling you a scammer/liar (any screenshots of that post, btw?) was going a little too far, but at that point you should still have just refunded his money and ended it at that, not spitefully forced him to go through his credit card company for a refund.
 
And I never said I sent you a picture of the snow at my house. I said I posted one, which I did, it is still on my facebook page with a note for you on it. Also, you can lie about the facebook pages all you want, there is only 1 Evan Stahl Reptiles page on facebook.
 
I clearly stated that when I ordered the snakes at the end of January, the 27th to be exact, that I ordered them with the understanding that you would hold them until it warmed up. I didn't start trying to contact you until the end of March/ 1st of April to see about arranging shipment. I also clearly never said I "wanted" to go through my credit card company, I informed you if you didn't keep your word about refunding my money Monday, thays what I would do, then it was YOU who told me not to contact you again or it would be considered harrassment. So, I did as YOU requested.

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Sarah, I offered a refund, instead of accepting it he threatened me. at that point I was done, sorry you must be much more level headed than I am. keep in mind he also posted an insulting post on my facebook page. He also attacked me on another site without telling me it was posted. He sent me 8 messages through facebook, I said 9 but technically 2 of them were 2 in 1. I responded to them. There was no lack of communication. I also responded to the emails that I got.
 
Yeah, the screenshots show that I told you I wasn't threatening you but I wasn't going to just sit back and let you screw me either. My comment about doing as you requested was in regards to taking the matter up with my credit card company. My post on your wall said you had terrible customer service, didn't respond to voicemails that you had said you would arrange shipping then didn't and that I would like to either recieve my snakes or my money back...I at no point flat out called you a liar or a scammer...please provide proof...I would post a screenshot of what I posted but you deleted it within minutes and sent me that so eloquently written pm.

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Yes...those are my words exactly as i posted them on bp-net....you weren't returning any calls or emails...what the heck was I supposed to think at that point?? And I did say "apparently scammed", since I wasn't entirely sure at that point...I didn't flat out call you a scammer, a liar, a con artist, or anything of that sort.

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Its also not my job to tell you when or where I post. You don't own me...or have any control over me, lets be clear on that.

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evansnakes said:
And I never said I sent you a picture of the snow at my house. I said I posted one, which I did, it is still on my facebook page with a note for you on it. Also, you can lie about the facebook pages all you want, there is only 1 Evan Stahl Reptiles page on facebook.
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I just took a look through your pics on your Facebook page...the only pic I found of snow at your house was posted Feb 2, well before I ever tried getting a hold of you about shipping ( at that point it was definitely still too cold for shipping) & there is no note to me in that pic...you address a couple of other people in comments, but I was not one of those people.

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/phot...59819947202.-2207520000.1398643585.&source=42

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Why not head off (more of) a pissing contest?
It is not Monday yet.
Evan, could you please just go ahead and refund on Monday, Ryan, why don't you go ahead and accept a refund. There is no need to escalate.
 
I would accept the refund...NEVER said I wouldn't....he is the one who told me to go thru my credit card company when I told him if he didn't keep his word about refunding, that's what I would do.....

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tat2d1 said:
I would accept the refund...NEVER said I wouldn't....he is the one who told me to go thru my credit card company when I told him if he didn't keep his word about refunding, that's what I would do.....

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OK Evan would you please refund and both of you wind it down a little.
 
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