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Exotic pets. Bad business/bad guy

As I have said several times I have no beef with Ken or you!
Ken's a great guy!
And I know you don't give a hoot about Varanids if you did you would understand questioning the Captive Breeding of any commonly imported, rarely bred (3 times) New Guinea Varanids.
This species have small clutches (3 eggs), I have hatched six and l like I said before my agenda is only to put together a large group of captive bred Peachthroats!
Maybe one day through captive breeding of any commonly imported animals we could leviate some of the wild collecting that goes on and let the wild animals remain in the wild....where they belong!

If your ever interested in learning anything about Monitors let me know...I love to talk Monitors.
It's a RUFF crowd!
I promise I won't yell. LOL

I hope your right and I'm wrong!!
If I am wrong and I can get the proof I need I'll pay $400 each to Ken.
Mike Stefani
Mike's Monitors
 
Well, to quote Monty Python "There's only one thing worse then being talked about. That's not being talked about".
I see several issues raised here, so I'll do my best to tackle them.
First to Scott. I got in a bunch of animals on a trade. One of them was an Eastern Milksnake. It was a bit thin when I got it, but it did eat two live fuzzies for me. Scott called and we sent it to him. I told him over the phone it was a bit thin, but was eating good. I have no reason to mislead him about it. After about 2 months, he emailed me or called me (I don't recall) and said the snake had just died, and that it was loaded with mites. He insinuated that the mites killed the snake. This was about 2 months after I sent it to him. I asked him why he had not contacted me right away if there was a problem, and he told me the snake had just died, and he'd been nursing it along for the two months. Because it had been so long, and he'd never bothered to even email me about the problem before this time, I opted to give him a full store credit for the price he paid for the snake. He agreed to this with no hesitation. I told him to select anything else I had listed, which is a pretty good selection. He picked out a nice hypo Brook's kingsnake, and sent me the difference for the snake. I sent it to him right away. I never questioned why he really took so long to contact me. I just wanted him to be happy with our service and animals. I have no clue why the milksnake died, and it bothers me that it did. He called me the day he got the kingsnake and tole me how please he was with it, and that's the last I heard from him. I was happy he was happy, and I thought that was it. I thought wrong.
Mites. Mites suck. It's also part of life. I checked that Brook's personally to make sure it was perfect so Scott would think I'm just great. Did I miss some mites? Beats me. I sure don't think so. As one poster on here said, sending out snakes with mites is inexcusable. It makes you look tacky. Do I think Scott is making it up? Nope. Do I think I must have missed the mites, yep. Mites happen, especially in a retail store. Today I have no mites ( I think and hope), but you can be that tomorrow I will. Then I'll battle them to the death, and someone will walk in a week later with a mite infested snake, or have mites hit chiking on their cloths and it will start all over again. There's nothing any store can do but battle them when and where you can. We use Provent a Mite on a daily basis. We spray the substrate we use before we even put them in the cages with the snakes, everytime we clean them. I do everything possible to get rid of them, and there's just not much more I can tell ya. As far as the health of the Brook's goes, it is perfect. It will eat every day if you let it. It's active, healthy and I thought it was a pretty good deal considering how much time passed before Scott contacted me. By the way, Scott was nothing but nice and polite over the phone. I'm kind of baffled as to why he would come to the BOI. But if he thought he was getting ripped off I guess this was one option to him. I've done all I can for Scott. I'm sorry he's unhappy. I'm more then happy to take the Brook's king back if he'll pay for the shipping back to me, and I'll refund him in full. That's about all I can do in this case.

Peachthroats. I bought these from a man out of Singapore. I buy turtles from them mostly. They offered me two captive bred Peachthroat monitors along with some other animals. I had them add them to the shipment. I have no reason to doubt their word, since I would have bought them wc or cb. Made no difference to me. But it's only their word I'm going by. When I was asked for proof, I could not supply it. Seemed simple enough. When asked for proof, I said I have none. I don't. The buyer passed. Life goes on. They sure are cute, and I'm very happy with them. Someone will buy them. It will more then likely be someone that just walks into the store looking for a new pet to take home and care for and love. I hope so. Perhaps it will be someone like.............
Chis Balkenbush. He's 14. He has two adult Colombian tegus. He bought them from me with his parents a few years ago. We lucked out and it turned out to be a pair. One of them laid 8 eggs (I assume this was the female, but I could be wrong). He was very excited and brought the eggs to me. I put them in some hatchright and put them in one of my incubators, and pretty much forgot about them. And then 6 of them hatched. His parents would only let him have one to keep, so I gave him a store credit for the rest. He'll most likely use it for food or caging for some of the animals he has. Chris Balkenbush. Please remember his name. I'm sure he'll be selling herps himself someday. We can only hope. I know he sure is jazzed about herps right now. He just got his first cornsnakes eggs, and I talked his folks into letting him incubate them himself. So far so good. It's the reason I like my job, it's the best part.
I'm sure there will be more said. I thank you all for the interest, and for the kind words from some of you. Oh, and thanks Riley. Where are you now, by the way? Also, thank you CAT for bringing this to my attention. You're great.

Ken
 
Ken
I know you understand where I'm coming from.
I can't take any risks from any fresh imports in to my projects.
You never mentioned they were imported from Singapore .
I was HOPING they were indeed Captive Born in the US.
A third captive born bloodline would be AWESOME for me.

I do believe you got them from your source, and that he told you they were CB.

I'll buy any US CBB you can find!!
My only agenda is to put together a large group of CBB Peachthroats.

If Chris Balkenbush does buy those 2 give him my contact info, I'd be more than happy to help him along the way.
They are a couple of Beauties!
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Ken Foose a bad guy, NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Mike Stefani
Mike's Monitors!
 
Awesome Ken, yours will be the first Colombian tegus bred and hatched in the US. If you don't mind me asking, what was the incubation period and at what temp?
 
Congratulations Chris!

Your welcome Ken. In case some of us who also had help as youngsters don't say it often enough, Thank You.
 
I am please to read Ken's comments. Scott, so what is the deal with the mites? How soon after receiving the snakes did the mites appear?
 
As far as the mite thing goes, I'm not going to tell you the snakes did not have them. I'm ashamed that the milksnake died in the first place. However, after it being out of my hands for almost two months, I can't tell you what killed it. If it was mites, then shame on the buyer who should not have let them get so out of hand. I doubt this is he case however. Scotts a good guy. As for his description of the Brook's, I disagree. It was and is a great snake.
I'm sorry I did not go into more detail about the Peachthroats for you. But all you asked is if I could prove if they were captive bred. I told you no. After that, you seemed to have lost interest, so I was not given the chance to elaborate. My error, sorry.
And the biggest error was the tegus, now that it has been brough to my attention. When Chris and parents brought me the eggs, I did not think they would hatch. What was the chance of having viable Colombian tegu eggs from a 14 year old kid? None that I knew of. He just housed them together in an adequate tank, fed them, and handled them from time to time. He brought the eggs in the day they were laid. I put them into some Hatchrite in a plastic shoebox and put them in an incubator full of frilled dragon eggs. The incubator is set at 28 degrees C. I never looked at them again. I don't know what day I put them in, nor, I'm ashamed to say, when they hatched. It had to be almost two months before I even bothered looking inside the box. I had actually forgotten what was in there. I opened it to find two desiccated eggs and 6 really cute babies. Their photos are on the ad. So much for my expert incubation and record keeping. I did not even bother to photograph them in the incubator. But there they are.
Look, everyone makes mistakes. I know I make mistakes every singe day. The real test is to learn from these mistakes and make yourself better because of them. With all the stuff I have going on, I actually marvel to myself that I don't make more of them. Wrong photos on ads, misidentifying color morphs of a snake, and not taking very good photographs (or at least shedding an animal first 'cause I'm just out of time). But I have a great time doing what I do, I love my job, my life is very good and I make a good living. I have lots of friends, mostly herpers, and I have a great deal of pride in what I do. I would never, ever try to swindle someone just to make a buck. I would never send out a sick or unhealthy animal knowingly. I have never screwed anyone over, and I just can't imagine I ever would. Oh, and Randall Berry is da man

Ken
 
Mike Stefani -- are you the same Mike who recently posted an ad for hissing roaches in another [unnamed] forum? Just curious...

Ken, side-note question, but what genus/species are your frilled dragon eggs? Are these regularly bred in captivity, because to my knowledge I have only seen them pop up in captivity sparsely? What kind of price do you intend to sell the babies for?
 
Mike's Monitors said:
Again when it comes to commonly imported and VERY RARELY bred New Guinea Varanids WE WANT PROOF!
Ken know this.
Again just for the record Ken told me they were CBB by a very reputible breeder...so by your own addmission the photos would have been easy and in your own words EXPECTED for him to get.
If I were to sell my CBB Peachthroats they would be MUCH more than an import!!
Mike Stefani
Mike's Monitors!


Sorry, but i've got to say something here. Why are you talking about monitors from New Guinea when the thread is about tegus from Columbia? :shrug01:
 
snake5007 said:
Sorry, but i've got to say something here. Why are you talking about monitors from New Guinea when the thread is about tegus from Columbia? :shrug01:


Correction: I meant the ad that was mentioned.
 
snake5007 said:
Correction: I meant the ad that was mentioned.

The thread is actually about a snake.
Then a Tegu which lead to a Monitor, without your comment it went back to the snake.
You say ad...I'm not selling anything!
You need to read the whole thread not just parts.
Mike
 
Mike's Monitors said:
The thread is actually about a snake.
Then a Tegu which lead to a Monitor, without your comment it went back to the snake.
You say ad...I'm not selling anything!
You need to read the whole thread not just parts.
Mike

Err, the Columbian tegu ad that Bobby posted a screenshot of? And where did i mention that you were selling something? :shrug01:
 
Thanks for the explanation Ken. Yes, it is possible that Ken had mites in his animals. Knowing how difficult is is to get rid of ALL the mites it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a couple of them were alive in the home where the first snake died, and then made their way to the enclosure of the second snake, it can't be discarded as a possibility. They may have come with the original snake and they may have multiplied afterwards. If it took nearly two months to find out about them it is more than likely they were all over the place.

Regards.
 
Thanks for taking the time to post the rest of the story, Ken. While it is unfortunate that the first snake died, and that there were mites involved....under the circumstances with the buyer not informing you of any problem until 2 months after the sale, I feel that your offer of equal credit was more than fair.

I'd be interested to see if Scott has any pics of either of these animals? Ken was aware that the first snake was a bit thin, but says the replacement snake is in good health. Any pics to show otherwise, Scott?
 
Ken,

I too feel that you handled this situation in a very fair manner.
And, I am glad you took the time to relate about the Columbian tegus and their hatched eggs, I have a pair of Columbian tegus and perhaps someday I will get eggs and then baby tegus.
 
spawn said:
Mike Stefani -- are you the same Mike who recently posted an ad for hissing roaches in another [unnamed] forum? Just curious...

Ken, side-note question, but what genus/species are your frilled dragon eggs? Are these regularly bred in captivity, because to my knowledge I have only seen them pop up in captivity sparsely? What kind of price do you intend to sell the babies for?

Spawn
The one about JUICY Roaches...thats me.
Mike
PS are you roadspawn?
 
Mike's Monitors said:
Spawn
The one about JUICY Roaches...thats me.
Mike
PS are you roadspawn?


I saw that ad!! That was amazing, I'll never forget it lol!!!
 
Frank, my frilled dragons are a mixed group. I won't go into details about them here as it just takes of space and time that other people might not care to read about. Email me and I can give you all the details about them gladly.
Lucille, it seems it's sometimes the hobbiest that just doesn't try that produces the cool stuff. Like the first albino leopard geckos, which were not produced by anyone known but by a couple of brother hobbiest from S. California. They were also "just kids" who nobody has ever heard of, but look what they started. Even I tried the "I don't care" approach to breeding. I had a pair of Boleon's pythons in the store, a nice large adult pair. And one day they started locking up, and I thought to myself "with all the experts (which I'm not) trying so hard to produce these snakes, wouldn't it be funny if the first captive breeding was done in a little petstore". Of course nothing ever resulted from the copulations, but it would have been very cool. I produced Savanna monitor hatchlings when I was about 17 years old by accident. I got a bunch of eggs from a pair of monitors I had for several years, so it must have been a captive breeding. I incubated the eggs, and they all hatched. To this day I have never been able to repeat the breeding. Sometimes I think that not trying might be the key. Or perhaps it's just the force.

Ken
 
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