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[meowmeowkazoo]

Andrew Schnell

10:54pm Jan 26


If you want to call Lynn a "t***" in public you're going to have a really hard time making any kind of name for yourself as a breeder of New Caledonian geckos. Lynn and I have some very big connections, including the biggest and best known names in the industry, and the biggest name in New Caledonian geckos in Canada. We can make sure you won't be able to buy any nice geckos from any well known breeders if you aren't careful. I would strongly advise issuing her an apology for the insult, or risk going nowhere in this hobby.

I'm just curious, a friend who is following this thread mentioned that she hasn't seen any screenshots of this message. While it certainly wouldn't excuse Lynn even if this message was faked (and I doubt that it is), it would be nice to see a screenshot as hard evidence of the communication.

 

[eyelashexotics]

We're not going to believe it either while all those people remain anonymous.

What are you talking about? Why are you attacking me like this?

I'm talking about all these people I don't know on this damn BOI telling me I need to take responsibility when I did not threaten anyone. Bobby is WELL aware of that.

 

[eyelashexotics]

What in the hell do you people want me to do? I just told you everything.

 

[Mystic Exotics]

Didn't get called out for anything I hadn't apologized about.
I continue to be flippant on facebook because for the past several months, SOMEONE has been constantly harassing me under fake names (who is watching this thread as we speak) and I either get angry or just brush it off.
This, I decided to brush off because nobody believes me, even after the legitimate apology. So of course I got mad. My options are to either apologize for something I didn't do, or to sit here and listen to you all.

Your actions speak louder than words. BTW, congrats, you really are well known now.

 

[Meg90]

I personally "want" you to get your pal Andrew Schnell to validate or deny that email. I have interacted with him before, and I don't doubt for one second that the copy and pasted version was exactly what was sent.

I'd like to hear why that message was sent, in his own words, even after you specified "no hate mail"

 

[eyelashexotics]

I personally "want" you to get your pal Andrew Schnell to validate or deny that email. I have interacted with him before, and I don't doubt for one second that the copy and pasted version was exactly what was sent.

I'd like to hear why that message was sent, in his own words, even after you specified "no hate mail"

I legitimately cannot do anything about that. I did not see screenshots and didn't know about the damn message until it was posted on here. I honestly don't even know if it's real. Ask bobby to post it.

 

[Meg90]

Andrew would be able to screenshot what he sent. With the matching time stamps.

 

[Lucille]

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Andrew sent you a message.



"If you want to call Lynn a "****" in public you're going to have a really =
hard time making any kind of name for yourself as a breeder of New =
Caledonian geckos. Lynn and I have some very big connections, including =
the biggest and best known names in the industry, and the biggest name in =
New Caledonian geckos in Canada. We can make sure you won't be able to =
buy any nice geckos from any well known breeders if you aren't careful. I =
would strongly advise issuing her an apology for the insult, or risk going =
nowhere in this hobby."

NO I had never heard of her before she got her friends to do that and just came home to it out of nowhere it jsut happend to be the day she wanted to create a site and Mine came up instead , seems like it made her very upset and she went from there.

Since Andrew was on this site today and did not post, I'm not sure he is planning to say anything.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

What in the hell do you people want me to do? I just told you everything.

What everyone wants you to do is take responsibility for the attacks against Bobby, and to show some true remorse. None of your apologies have come off as being sincere.

You can't fake a sincere apology, but you could at least admit that you were the cause for the attacks on Bobby. You are responsible for anything that your friends sent to him.

I genuinely believe that you do not think you were responsible, and that you do not understand that the consequences of your actions rest on your shoulders alone. Maybe you should take some time off and try to understand why so many people are blaming you.

It might be easier for you if you take a break from this thread and spend some time by yourself or with friends, understanding where everyone else is coming from. It's hard to step back when you are busy defending yourself.

 

[eyelashexotics]

What everyone wants you to do is take responsibility for the attacks against Bobby, and to show some true remorse. None of your apologies have come off as being sincere.

You can't fake a sincere apology, but you could at least admit that you were the cause for the attacks on Bobby. You are responsible for anything that your friends sent to him.

I genuinely believe that you do not think you were responsible, and that you do not understand that the consequences of your actions rest on your shoulders alone. Maybe you should take some time off and try to understand why so many people are blaming you.

It might be easier for you if you take a break from this thread and spend some time by yourself or with friends, understanding where everyone else is coming from. It's hard to step back when you are busy defending yourself.

I took responsibility for everything, with all sincerity, when I messaged him on facebook. Showed the screenshot on the first or second page of this thread. I meant every word. I just wouldn't have bothered apologizing if I didn't mean it but of course I was mad when he decided that he didn't want to accept my apology because he thought I was lying, not because he thought I was insincere. He knows this. I appreciate the advice, and no I'm not being sarcastic, but in all reality, he got his apology before I ever saw this post on BOI and he wants this to get dragged out.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

I took responsibility for everything, with all sincerity, when I messaged him on facebook. Showed the screenshot on the first or second page of this thread. I meant every word. I just wouldn't have bothered apologizing if I didn't mean it but of course I was mad when he decided that he didn't want to accept my apology because he thought I was lying, not because he thought I was insincere. He knows this. I appreciate the advice, and no I'm not being sarcastic, but in all reality, he got his apology before I ever saw this post on BOI and he wants this to get dragged out.

I think that people don't believe a few parts of that apology, like you specifically telling people not to send him hate mail. It would be helpful if anyone could provide a screenshot of you saying "no hate mail."

Actually, asking your fans to email him at all was a bad idea, and comes off as bullying, or ganging up on him. In his shoes I would also respond negatively to somebody having their fans/friends emailing me about something that should be dealt with privately.

From some of the screenshots on the first page, it appears you took a somewhat hostile approach to him when he apparently misunderstood your intentions and told you that he would not give up his website domain.

The part where you tell him "Look it up before you threaten anyone" is a little confusing to me, because I don't see anywhere that he threatened you. That particular quote is not important in the grand scheme of this thread, but it's an example of what I feel was an overly aggressive response on your part.

It just seems like you are generally unaware of how hostile you have been toward people in the thread, or you feel that the hostility was justified.

I understand feeling defensive, and I'm sure at this point you are feeling bullied and ganged up on. That's why I recommended taking a break, focusing on other things for a short while. Even if you don't change your mind about things here, it will help reduce the desire to post things impulsively. And nothing can be erased on the BOI, so it's best to post with a clear head.

The way you behave towards people on the BOI, even if they aren't involved in your particular situation, can have a significant impact on your reputation. The people urging you to apologize aren't doing that because they feel insulted or like they personally deserve an apology. They are doing it because it would be a good thing for you to do for your own reputation.

 

[ophidile]

I took responsibility for everything, with all sincerity, when I messaged him on facebook. Showed the screenshot on the first or second page of this thread. I meant every word. I just wouldn't have bothered apologizing if I didn't mean it but of course I was mad when he decided that he didn't want to accept my apology because he thought I was lying, not because he thought I was insincere. He knows this. I appreciate the advice, and no I'm not being sarcastic, but in all reality, he got his apology before I ever saw this post on BOI and he wants this to get dragged out.

Your "apology" was laced with specifications of what bob should do/shouldn't have done, not once did you ask him what you could do to make up for asking people to bother him because his site happens to have a name you like. Nor did you own up to the fact that you did, in fact, post his site and ask people to email him to change their name. And no, there is nothing about "no hate mail" on that same post. Then you wonder why he's still upset?

I can't speak for what might might make things right by Bob, but as a random bystander, I would suggest stating that you will be more careful about how you speak of others in the future and leave it at that.

 

[aleria]

The thing so many people seem to fail to realize about apologies is this; an apology is not an apology if it is followed by excuses.

I don't care if you want to call your excuses "explanations" or "clarifications", because they aren't, they're just excuses plain and simple.

 

[Kasi]

Regardless of anything else, I think this situation has pretty much reached its conclusion- all involved parties seem to have been heard from, with the exception of Andrew. I also agree-if there is a screen shot of the email available that would be excellent, simply to have some more concrete definition around that occurrence, as it is tied to this one.

 

[JColt]

The best thing to do Lynn is walk away from this thread. Just drop it.

I cannot believe the boi would even give a crap about this fb drama crap.

2 people having a fight. Who cares?

No movers or shakers of the industry here.

Just the drama should keep you away from either party, Let alone anything else.

 

[Sublime Reptiles]

:dead horse

Really all there is left is Andrew to confirm/deny. But it is nice to know out of all your little friends one is honest, and respectful.

 

[312Herps]

The best thing to do Lynn is walk away from this thread. Just drop it.

I cannot believe the boi would even give a crap about this fb drama crap.

2 people having a fight. Who cares?

No movers or shakers of the industry here.

Just the drama should keep you away from either party, Let alone anything else.

A huge part of much of the drama there is now a days, especially in the crested gecko community, really only happens because people have keyboards to hide behind. If they had to go to the monthly "herp group" meetings or annual events like the older crowd did to say the stuff they say over the internet to someones face, it would never happen. People sometimes don't realize there indeed are people that would drive 2 hours or 30 hours away to teach someone a lesson.People should really be more careful about how loose they get with conversations over the internet as you never really know who is on the otherside of a conversation or how far they are willing to go once threatened . I always live by the ideal (and maybe it's cause i'm a bit older)that ,If you're not willing to repeat something you said about a person while your standing directly infront of them , you probably shouldn't say it .
I think Bob said it best , The times are a changin ......

 

[EA7770]

Ethan seriously? Stop harrassing me on facebook. Find something better to do with your time. This has been going on for WAY too long now.

WTF are you talking about Lynn? I have NEVER harassed you on FB or anywhere else. I don't have either the time nor the desire to invest in your FB drama. Don't try to deflect your issues onto me. I don't want any part of it. I'm sorry that I might not be one of your "fans", but I've never been anything but nice to you. You had better get your facts straight before accusing me of anything.

 

[Kita]

I always live by the ideal (and maybe it's cause i'm a bit older)that ,If you're not willing to repeat something you said about a person while your standing directly infront of them , you probably shouldn't say it .

Ya don't say

 

[Yogi Bear]

I find it a bit amusing how Lynn wanted her fb fans to email Bobby about giving up his domain name without thinking about the repercussions in doing so (or not caring at all), but now that Lynn is having to deal with people on the BOI, she doesn't like it one bit.

Lynn, your apologies are NOT sincere. You need to humble yourself, come back to reality, and then SINCERELY apologize. Try to make the wrong that you did; right. After that, take it as a lesson learned, and try to conduct yourself in a professional manner.

In addition, if Andrew Schnell were a true friend, he would come on the BOI himself and take responsibility for his email actions. I guess your friend can say whatever he wants on your fb page, but doesn't want to own up to his own mistakes on the BOI. He would rather let you "go it alone" than to come to your defense now. Be careful of who you are friends with.