Bad Guy Eyelash Exotics

[312Herps]

Ya don't say

Actually i do say .

 

[aschnell]

Sigh. Well I haven't responded to any of this yet because I was exhausted when I got home from work last night, so I decided just go to sleep and respond to this in the morning. I just had a chance to finally read through this whole thread. My initial reaction is that I can't believe that this whole incident got so blown up. But it is what it is, I can't change that.

Yes, I sent that original message to Bobby. The sole reason for me sending that message was that Bobby called Lynn a "cheap tw*t" on Facebook for everyone to see. Needless to say that put me on edge. However, after I read this thread and read a couple of responses from Bobby on Facebook, I sent him this message...

"I had no idea she had asked anyone to harass you. If I knew you had come home from a long day of work to 20 threatening emails I certainly would understand why you were upset. I didn't know any of that before I sent my first message to you. Looking back it definitely seems like I overreacted in light of what you were actually dealing with, and I certainly apologize for that. As for me telling you that you wouldn't be able to buy any geckos from any well known breeders if you weren't careful, I was just trying to get you to apologize to Lynn for calling her a "cheap tw*t" - which really put me on edge. I seriously doubt I'm important enough to prevent you doing business with anyone, I was just blowing a lot of hot air to try and get you to apologize to Lynn."

Essentially I take full responsibility for the contents of that message and any havoc it wrought. I'd like to apologize for sending that message and for its borderline threatening content, as well as apologize to Bobby on a personal level for initiating any of this. Basically this was a matter of me sticking up for a good friend, something which I clearly got too carried away with.

Just to clarify, Lynn never asked me to send Bobby a message like the one I sent him, nor did she intentionally send anyone to attack or threaten him. This message was completely my doing, and I'm owning that.

 

[Kita]

Actually i do say .

You keep telling yourself that, honey, but just remember you have spoken to people before this thread.

 

[312Herps]

You keep telling yourself that, honey, but just remember you have spoken to people before this thread.

You really make no sense i don't know what point you're attempting to get across, but it's not conveying properly .You're 29 years old Ms. Dion i would imagine by that age you could be a bit more direct. I have obviously spoken to people before this thread , i'm alive and have family and friends for over 30 years so i would imagine at some point i spoke to someone in my life.

 

[Meg90]

Its deeply disappointing that the people in this hobby that tout themselves as educated, and high end breeders feel the need to strong arm the little guy, in private no less, whenever it will benefit them. Nothing like pretending to be something in public and showing what you really are in private.

Some of us still value integrity. I don't think that that email that you sent was ok, or acceptable in any way just because you couldn't actually BACK UP your claims, and were only "blowing smoke".

The long and short of it was you DID threaten someone, Andrew Schnell, whether or not you could actually follow through.

I'm sick of people minimizing what they've done wrong, because they've decided after the fact to apologize.

Two more people I will not be doing business. Thank you fauna BOI.

 

[Kita]

You really make no sense i don't know what point you're attempting to get across, but it's not conveying properly .You're 29 years old Ms. Dion i would imagine by that age you could be a bit more direct. I have obviously spoken to people before this thread , i'm alive and have family and friends for over 30 years so i would imagine at some point i spoke to someone in my life.

It means you should consider what you have said to other people before making claims because your reputation does not follow what your preaching. I do not elaborate because this thread is not about you.

 

[aleria]

The off-topic interpersonal bickering should probably be taken to pm. Not a mod, but just a thought.

 

[Yogi Bear]

Sigh. Well I haven't responded to any of this yet because I was exhausted when I got home from work last night, so I decided just go to sleep and respond to this in the morning. I just had a chance to finally read through this whole thread. My initial reaction is that I can't believe that this whole incident got so blown up. But it is what it is, I can't change that.

Yes, I sent that original message to Bobby. The sole reason for me sending that message was that Bobby called Lynn a "cheap tw*t" on Facebook for everyone to see. Needless to say that put me on edge. However, after I read this thread and read a couple of responses from Bobby on Facebook, I sent him this message...

"I had no idea she had asked anyone to harass you. If I knew you had come home from a long day of work to 20 threatening emails I certainly would understand why you were upset. I didn't know any of that before I sent my first message to you. Looking back it definitely seems like I overreacted in light of what you were actually dealing with, and I certainly apologize for that. As for me telling you that you wouldn't be able to buy any geckos from any well known breeders if you weren't careful, I was just trying to get you to apologize to Lynn for calling her a "cheap tw*t" - which really put me on edge. I seriously doubt I'm important enough to prevent you doing business with anyone, I was just blowing a lot of hot air to try and get you to apologize to Lynn."
Essentially I take full responsibility for the contents of that message and any havoc it wrought. I'd like to apologize for sending that message and for its borderline threatening content, as well as apologize to Bobby on a personal level for initiating any of this. Basically this was a matter of me sticking up for a good friend, something which I clearly got too carried away with.Just to clarify, Lynn never asked me to send Bobby a message like the one I sent him, nor did she intentionally send anyone to attack or threaten him. This message was completely my doing, and I'm owning that.

Thanks for coming to this thread to own up to the email that you sent Bobby. You went about defending your "friend" in the wrong manner. If all you wanted was an apology from Bobby to Lynn, you could have said that without all of the bravado about knowing big people in the reptiles business.

Hopefully you realize the full situation now. Lynn has not come to this thread with sincerity. She appears to be full of herself, and does not truly understand where she was wrong in getting her fb fans to email Bobby. Maybe you can help her see that her apologies were insincere.

As I stated before, be careful who your friends are. There is no reason for such ridiculousness in the hobby/business of reptiles.

When one acts in a professional and respectable manner, there is no need to throw threats around. People build their own reputations by how they act and treat others. For now, I do not see you or Lynn as being reputable people. Time will tell though. I do thank you for finally coming to the BOI and acknowledging what you did wrong, and trying to make it right though.

 

[pei8147]

Its deeply disappointing that the people in this hobby that tout themselves as educated, and high end breeders feel the need to strong arm the little guy, in private no less, whenever it will benefit them. Nothing like pretending to be something in public and showing what you really are in private.

Some of us still value integrity. I don't think that that email that you sent was ok, or acceptable in any way just because you couldn't actually BACK UP your claims, and were only "blowing smoke".

The long and short of it was you DID threaten someone, Andrew Schnell, whether or not you could actually follow through.

I'm sick of people minimizing what they've done wrong, because they've decided after the fact to apologize.

Two more people I will not be doing business. Thank you fauna BOI.

A further counsel bear in mind:
If that thy roof be made of glass,
It shows small wit to pick up stones
To pelt the people as they pass.
Don Quixote 1605
Miguel de Cervantes 1547-1616

 

[Acurit1]

I do not condone Lynn's actions or reaction, but this lynch mobbing has gone far enough. Her back peddling or defensive stance has ruined her image. Everyone here made sure of that.

Lynn, I am sorry. If I made you think I was part of this reptile gang, please forgive my role in this. I do not know you and I was wrong to comment. I know how you feel right now because I am on the BOI myself. I hope you do not beat the pages that I have. LOL

Here's what I have learned after the BOI was posted on me. It's like a virus. They attack one host (Lynn) and move on to another (Andrew). You don't know most of the people and you end up being crucified for a petty mistake. In this case, a fatal error. No one here has ever lied, bullied, or done bad things. They are all saints.

Here are a few words of advice: Nobody here cares who you have helped.. No one here knows what you have accomplished.. Nobody here gives a rat's butt of who you are until they see that "fatal" error and they try to force you to give up. Hold your chin up and don't be too proud.. Speak with sincerity but with a soft voice. Think before you speak and not speak before you think. Those that do not like you, will stalk you and wait for that moment they can attack you

I am still here.. I have not given up. I have learned my lesson. A simple attempt of "how I can better talk to people" cause me to lie on the BOI.. That was my "fatal error". Just like you (Lynn)my apologies were not sincere enough. Just let it come to pass. Most of the folks here on the BOI and on mine are linked to the same gecko groups. Again, I apologize for my paticipation.

Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or administering virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have and is also guilty of violating.[1] Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and thus can be considered a kind of lie.[1]

 

[Lucille]

I think the BOI is a valuable way to see how prior transactions with others have gone, so one can choose whether to deal with that person. It is up to the reader to decide whether to deal with a particular person (and how much credence to place with those who comment).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99565&highlight=cudia

 

[cassicat4]

What some business owners fail to realize is that potential customers do come to the BOI to assist in their decision about who to deal with. Most forums even specifically direct people here when they have breeder inquiries. The reptile community is tight-knit, so a positive review on the BOI will be shared with others, while a negative review will be shared with even more.

What these same owners also fail to realize is that their personal dealings and dirty laundry DO affect their business, whether it should or shouldn't.

Lynn, while I don’t know you personally, I've seen you on some of the forums, and I've always thought you were a nice person. You were friendly and polite, and gave no indication that you were anything other than professional.

The person I've seen in this thread though, is someone completely different.

Regardless of how this dispute started, what has contributed to it, or why it's still carrying on, the part that affects you is how you've dealt with it all.

As a business owner, it is your responsibility to be professional at all costs. I don't care if someone called you every name in the book. A true professional knows to handle these cases with grace and dignity.

As well, a professional business owner also knows how to apologize sincerely and make amends, and their actions/behavior choices are not conditional on how the other party responds.

Yes, you've apologized...but in the same breath, you've also been hostile and defensive, and are upset that people, and in particular, Bob, aren't immediately accepting your apology.

Guess what - apologies don't always warrant immediate forgiveness. Sometimes all you can do is apologize, say your piece politely and professionally, and let it go at that. Even if you are not completely in the wrong, it's still not up to you to try and shift the blame to someone else, or needlessly defend yourself. Let it go, and let the other party carry on if they wish. Actions speak volumes, and people will see who is in the wrong in the end.

Had you come on here, apologized sincerely to Bob REGARDLESS of what he's said or done to you, and let it go at that, the bad guy thread on you would be no more. Yes, you would lose some potential customers, but you would gain a lot of respect from others who would appreciate your honesty and willingness to admit and accept that you have been wrong, REGARDLESS of what’s been done to you.

You are not unique. Your business is not unique. You are part of a highly competitive community, so calling your potential customers “ignorant” is not going to win you any new clients. You say you don’t care, but in truth, all business owners care about their customer base. It’s the only way their business will thrive.

I have seen several reputable breeders post their thoughts on this thread, and they have done so with professionalism, regardless of how you’ve responded to them. They are people I would consider doing business with in a heartbeat.

But as for you? I’m sorry, but your actions and words have given much light to your character. You may be an excellent breeder with high quality geckos. But I would be afraid to deal with you. As mentioned, if I was unhappy with my transaction, would you take to Facebook to blast me and my character? Would you send your friends or minions after me to get me to drop it?

You made a mistake, as you’re aware. However, to salvage your reputation, you’ll need to prove to others that you have learned from it, and no amount of defending yourself or arguing with others will do that. Only time and an obvious change to your dealings/interactions with others both in the public and private sectors will convince people that you are the professional you claim to be.

Apologizing to those you’ve intentionally or unintentionally insulted would also be a good start.

 

[Canadian Samurai]

I Bob Shabaga Accept all appologies by all parties involved, I hope you undersatand If I want nothing to do with you and all invloved and could go back to my simple life in a medium town. I have NO conflict with any of you. I began this post because I had never felt wronged like this before and I did not want it to happen to anyone else in the future. I refused to be a Victim and that is what sparked me to look into what action could be taken to inform and prevent. I was told this is permenent and years from now if anyone had issues they could add. I had NO idea this many people watch this site and contibute it is actually quite amazing. I have never felt anxiety over e-mails before and do not wish it on anyone. If you have had a great experience with Lynn there is a secion to praise as well, especially the long time clients. Do not e-mail me to tell me , just start a thread and explain how awesome your transaction instead. Thanks

 

[Misskiwi67]

I think the BOI is a valuable way to see how prior transactions with others have gone, so one can choose whether to deal with that person. It is up to the reader to decide whether to deal with a particular person (and how much credence to place with those who comment).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99565&highlight=cudia

Now that was some serious entertainment, thank you for sharing...

 

[Mystic Exotics]

I think the BOI is a valuable way to see how prior transactions with others have gone, so one can choose whether to deal with that person. It is up to the reader to decide whether to deal with a particular person (and how much credence to place with those who comment).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99565&highlight=cudia

Well that was entertaining!
I'll add yet another person I won't ever do business with.

 

[eyelashexotics]

I do not condone Lynn's actions or reaction, but this lynch mobbing has gone far enough. Her back peddling or defensive stance has ruined her image. Everyone here made sure of that.

Lynn, I am sorry. If I made you think I was part of this reptile gang, please forgive my role in this. I do not know you and I was wrong to comment. I know how you feel right now because I am on the BOI myself. I hope you do not beat the pages that I have. LOL

Here's what I have learned after the BOI was posted on me. It's like a virus. They attack one host (Lynn) and move on to another (Andrew). You don't know most of the people and you end up being crucified for a petty mistake. In this case, a fatal error. No one here has ever lied, bullied, or done bad things. They are all saints.

Here are a few words of advice: Nobody here cares who you have helped.. No one here knows what you have accomplished.. Nobody here gives a rat's butt of who you are until they see that "fatal" error and they try to force you to give up. Hold your chin up and don't be too proud.. Speak with sincerity but with a soft voice. Think before you speak and not speak before you think. Those that do not like you, will stalk you and wait for that moment they can attack you

I am still here.. I have not given up. I have learned my lesson. A simple attempt of "how I can better talk to people" cause me to lie on the BOI.. That was my "fatal error". Just like you (Lynn)my apologies were not sincere enough. Just let it come to pass. Most of the folks here on the BOI and on mine are linked to the same gecko groups. Again, I apologize for my paticipation.

Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or administering virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have and is also guilty of violating.[1] Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and thus can be considered a kind of lie.[1]

I completely agree, and understand what you're going through. The only reason that I came off as snobby and insincere is because when I DID attempt to sincerely apologize with absolutely NO rudeness intended, he didn't care and didn't believe me. Neither did the other 20 some pages of hateful people.
I do know that I may be coming off as a snob, but when you read about so many people telling you that your apology wasn't "sincere", when on the very first page, in my screenshot, it shows that I legitimately meant every word I said, I naturally would get defensive and angry because random strangers are accusing me, and telling me that I need to admit to something that wasn't true. When the gossip started and these rumors that weren't even true about me having a fiance and all this crap, that's when I got legitimately mad.

Fact of the matter,
I did apologize. He didn't believe that what I said was the truth so he blew off my entire apology.

I can't imagine that any of the people on this thread, having told the truth, actually apologized in a mature manner, then had almost a hundred people attempt to insult them and tell them to apologize (when they already had and said person refused to accept it unless they admitted to something they didn't do) not being frustrated and defensive at this point.

It disappoints me that this many people are so eager to attack someone that they don't know based on one person's word. I told him myself that it was a HUGE mistake to post what I did on facebook, it was in no way an attempt to get people to attack him and he has yet to show any documentation of ANYONE e-mailing him in a harsh manner, yet everyone has sided with him.

I, embarrassingly enough, sold some of my favorite animals to pay for a TM that I don't even want to have anymore, is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the case, and shows my checking account info, and people tell me I need to show them proof in order to "believe me?" I don't care if anyone believes what I did, I wish I could get that money back now and I can't. I can't believe how many people will accuse me of lying about things that don't even matter, they just want to make me look like a liar. I even had "facts" given about me that are entirely untrue, just to make me look worse.

Yes, after all is said and done, I DID get defensive and angry after all of these accusations, and I could have handled it better, but I still stand by everything that I have said as far as being accused of a "liar" and the fact that the cause of this was completely not intended to be hurtful or come off the way that it did, as I told Bob in my first email.
This was between Bob and I and could have been handled just fine if he had decided to respond to my apology in the first place and just accept it.

There's nothing I can do to change the fact that he does not want to.

Why didn't Bob just post the initial "20 hateful emails" in screenshots? Not even names. Just the one posted to defend me after he called me a name on my own business page. Everyone questions everything I am accused of and everyone NEEDS proof on my end but not his?

This needs to end. Now. I apologized. If you want to read it I posted the screenshot in the very first page of this thread and YES I did sincerely mean every word. That was where this needed to end.

I do want to apologize for how snobbish and rude I appeared to be in this thread, but in honesty, I felt completely attacked after 23 pages of just pure hatred, so I responded in the way that came the most naturally to me.

I know I will STILL get quoted and criticized for this post too, as I'm sure I've said something that annoyed someone. It's exasperating. I attempted to do what I could with Bob but after telling him everything, truthfully and sending him an apology and having him straight up accuse me of lying and blowing my apology off entirely, I don't know how else I could possibly make amends with him. I haven't seen a post from him in a LONG time so I assume he didn't realize how huge and hateful this was going to get.

If I ignore the posts that come after this, then I'm a "liar with no way of defending myself", so I'm not sure what else to do to make these posts end.

I have had a VERY sick baby for a VERY long time, and I don't need to be dealing with any more emotional, unnecessary crap in addition to what I already am, ESPECIALLY when it deals with reptiles. I love every single one of my animals, but when it comes down to it, this is not the most important thing in my life. I have many other terrible things I am forced to deal with in life and my animals are, and have always been my way of "escaping" when I don't know how else to handle it -- I understand that I got in an argument with someone but that should not ruin one of the only things I have in my life to escape from the rest of the crap in my life.
No I don't need or want sympathy, before I get crapped on for talking about my personal life, I just want to be left alone. I don't need my hobby ruined for me anymore.

I understand what I did, I attempted to make it right, and it didn't work. I don't feel the need to follow this guy around begging for an apology when he just won't accept it.

Bobby- If you're even still reading this, I AM sorry for what I posted to make so many people send you hateful messages and if you want to discuss this further PLEASE make it private. This is not anyone else's business.

Can't wait for the rest of the hatred that comes from this post.

 

[Kitishane]

For what it is worth, this post was three up from yours.

I Bob Shabaga Accept all appologies by all parties involved, I hope you undersatand If I want nothing to do with you and all invloved and could go back to my simple life in a medium town. I have NO conflict with any of you. I began this post because I had never felt wronged like this before and I did not want it to happen to anyone else in the future. I refused to be a Victim and that is what sparked me to look into what action could be taken to inform and prevent. I was told this is permenent and years from now if anyone had issues they could add. I had NO idea this many people watch this site and contibute it is actually quite amazing. I have never felt anxiety over e-mails before and do not wish it on anyone. If you have had a great experience with Lynn there is a secion to praise as well, especially the long time clients. Do not e-mail me to tell me , just start a thread and explain how awesome your transaction instead. Thanks

 

[eyelashexotics]

For what it is worth, this post was three up from yours.

Thank you for that. I didn't even see it because, honestly, I don't read over most of these posts because they all say the same thing.

I appreciate you pointing that out to me.

 

[eyelashexotics]

I think the BOI is a valuable way to see how prior transactions with others have gone, so one can choose whether to deal with that person. It is up to the reader to decide whether to deal with a particular person (and how much credence to place with those who comment).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99565&highlight=cudia

Not to come off as rude but would anyone care to explain how this is relevant? I have 20 some of my own pages, to get the jist of the story would be helpful since it's posted, somehow related to me I'm sure.

 

[Mystic Exotics]

Not to come off as rude but would anyone care to explain how this is relevant? I have 20 some of my own pages, to get the jist of the story would be helpful since it's posted, somehow related to me I'm sure.

If you read the link, you would understand that it's directed at Ariel/Sal, whoever that person us going by this week.

The irony at the post that person made to you, & the background story of that person, I *believe* is what she was getting at.....at least that's what I got from it.

That's the thing about the BOI....these things are permanent.